[Devil81]

Well, stop with the lies. It's been reported that he came in for training on monday but got sent home with a high temperature on orders from the the clubs doctor.

He didn’t call in sick, he went to training as was told to go home after tests showed he had a high temperature/fever. This is par for the course in protecting the rest of the team.
It’s one thing not liking someone but another to make stuff up or purposefully circulate misinformation.

I'm only going off what was reported on Talkshite this morning.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Hahaha the irony of you accusing people of being disingenuous and having made up ramblings when all you’ve done is made up blatant false claims about what I watch, misquoting me and then calling me a liar while actively continuing to make lie after lie. You know full well you not going through each points and questions I put to you because you are incapable of breaking them down or holding what you say accountable. You’ve lied several times and now want to whitewash over them under guise that I’m talking waffle. Then again you are the same guy who thought terms harassment and scapegoat where social media fads which you assumed I was influenced from, when harassment is an actual Law act(which I've actually been on the receiving end of in a work place environment and won a civil case against) so I certainly understand more on it's use and meaning and the serious impact it has and consequences of it has on an individual more than a gaslighter who wants to use pigeonhole principles in order to justify harassment against other people just because they are in the media

You literally accused me of saying Pogba was attacked on the pitch, when I said he was confronted by a fan. Do you understand the difference between attacked and confronted? I then addressed the mistake as I thought the fan had gone on to the pitch because he was so close to pogba when he was hurling abuse at him and you want to call that lying? Making an unintentional mistake and addressing it was a mistake is not lying. Do you even understand what lying means?

Let me give you a real example of lying ‘’ You said there was only 2 articles on sky ports on rashford, I showed to you that in fact there were 7. That’s what you call the definition of an intentional lie which you never even held your hands up on.

You then said I was comparing Elanga being dropped to rashford being dropped when I stated Rangnick had dropped Rashford for elanga for a far longer period of time than Amorim's one game without all this drama unfolding while he was the face of the club, which is the premise of your justification for all these scrunity taking place right now.. That is another example of showcasing your dishonesty and falsehoods which you can't account for

Honestly dude I don’t know how you get off on being so dishonest and then have the gall try to accuse other people of being liars. If you don’t want to break things down and acknowledge you own mistakes do not engage with me if you are not willing to have an honest discussion. You clearly have an agenda otherwise you wouldn’t be resorting to using these weasel tactics



The only one digging a hole is you my friend, cherry picking certain quotes, misrepresenting posters, lying and deflecting away from points that you can’t counter



Nope not emotionally attached to the idea of Rashford being a victim of a witchunt since it's not an idea and, I speak for any player who would be targeted this way, Maguire had a similar kind of witch hunt and agenda and it didn’t sit right with me. I don’t know maybe because I actually have a moral compass and ethnics and the ability to look at the bigger picture and not ignorant enough to tell others to switch of their news if they don’t want to witness seeing people made a target in the media and on socials for being dropped for one game and reacting to articles the press made up about putting them up for sale



Honestly, my advice if you are going to attempt to engage with someone in a debate, don’t start deflecting and making false statements and engaging in intellectual dishonesty in order to prop up your argument. You did the test yourself on youtude with the man utd search and you conceded it gave you rashford videos. If I created a new account that’s not going to change it . I’ve already told you I don’t watch the united stand, again another thing which you ignored and made up another in an attempt to mispresent me to create this narrative that I search out negativity. If you were able to go through my post history on here you’d see I praise players and look for the positives. If you saw my youtube account you would see I am subscribed to none of these channels and not even signed up to football channels since I follow mostly combat sports and actually produce content on youtube covering it but you assume I go looking for rashford videos and should create a new channel so I don't notice which is pretty damn stupid and would be funny if you wasn't serious

I’ve already shown you its not exclusive to youtube or x. sky sports, the guardian, the telegraph the athletic, all major media publications are flooded with news on rashford. That’s not a bubble it’s nation wide press

You’ve ignored the fact the majority of twitter links are posted on here, so no one needs to scroll down or visit twitter to see breaking news from x, you just need to come here and yet you still dishonestly pretend that I go on twitter. when I’ve explained to you a zillion times now that I don’t actively use x. You even accused me using IG which is hilarious, the only ones you failed to accuse me of being on was Twitch and tiktoc. Like I said stop the lies



I can't remember accusing any individual of being apart of the abuse Rashford receive on social media if you can back up that claim where i accused and named people off here who were apart of the abuse on social media like x please feel free to back up that false claim. I'm sure if I remember I said those who reside on twitter have access and no doubt are members on here

However for the record there’s hundreds of posts I could dig up that point to personal abuse towards rashford, which you could find mirrored and parroted on social media some with underlying racial tones and stereotypes, which is clever enough to go undetected the fact there is a poster a few pages down named dropped Mark Gold bridge shows Its spread here so I don't know how you can claim it's unfounded. What's unfounded is saying there is no agenda/witchunt. It’s up to you if you want to play dumb and be morally bankrupt and pretend there is nothing going on but don’t expect me to follow along and be ignorant to what's going on

Misrepresenting posters and calling them liars when you are guilty of lying through your teeth wall to wall should also not be tolerated. When you are open to an honest debate let me know, if you're going to respond, with that I'm rambling and waffling in your next post, please don't bother

Move on bud.

 

[DJ_21]

2 goals in 22 games yikes

As an oppose to Grealish who has about 11 goals in 86 for city. Some people was saying a swap deal. Williams is like 22.

 

[JBG]

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Really hope he can get a chance somewhere else. He is United through and through. He just needs a change. Remember David Beckham.

Oh my.. please dont do this DB7

 

[Hammondo]

2 goals in 22 games yikes

Yea the hype for him is odd. For me he's another doku.

 

[Strachan8]

Still don’t think it’s even remotely similar. Sir Alex turned sour towards Beckham because of his life outside of football.

Rashford and Amorim have been acquainted for a month and Rashford by all accounts was already in the firing line and has zero relationship with the new guy.

Closer to Danny Welbeck and Louis Van Gaal!

TBF it was also that his lifestyle outside football was felt to be impacting his onfield performances (distance covered, tracking back) such that ole was a better option on the right wing. Credit to Beckham when he was dropped v Madrid, he came on as a sub and did his taking on the pitch.

I would love Marcus to do the same. Let’s see…

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Called in sick and then turned up to the charity work on Tuesday apparently. His team made sure they informed Henry Winter of his activity.

Everything about Rashford and his PR team stink, it's all media leaks and tantrums. Just get the lad out of the club pronto!

Because that's what heroes do.

 

[Hammondo]

Lifelong united fan. Manc born and bred. Very respectable and popular figure in united circles, amongst ex players especially class of 92. Represented the fans and did the speech in Munich on the 60th anniversary of the Munich air crash also attended by united legends and officials from Bayern Munich.

https://milobooks.com/milo-books/red-army-general/

This dickhead? Or maybe there is someone by the same name.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ma...-been-murderer-football-hooligan-18835667.amp

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

It's a shame what has happened. But if you set out to destroy a player, don't be surprised if it impacts his confidence.

The whole thing is just sad and I feel like he needs to start again in a different country. I love for him to have a Maguire like renaissance (who himself was affected by speculation about his personality), but I didn't think he quite has the support network H does. Or is mentally as strong as him (which isn't a bad thing).

Can't wait for the day we decide to turn on Kobbie and ruin his career as well

Oh my, so it's is fans who ruined Rashford huh?

 

[JBG]

Oh my, so it's is fans who ruined Rashford huh?

Yes they broke his legs so he's suddenly slower and they also yelled from the stands "stop pressing and running around with intent!", alongside going to he's house at midnight and sublimely while his asleep, whispering "stop being able to dribble past players or even pass the ball to teammates 5m away".

 

[NinjaZombie]

You say this but Beckham never had to play in average team, he played with exceptional players and under a force of nature of a manager. It’s so easy for fans to criticise Rashford, and it’s fair on the pitch to see his head drop and moan (I’ve done it plenty), but it’s gone so wide of the make now with him effectively being labeled a lazy git who can’t be arsed and apparently was never any good anyway. Stop comparing a player now to someone who is nearly 50 as well - he played in a completely different world.

Then let's compare him to Amad, Maguire and Antony.

All got dropped at some point but stuck around and showed effort on the field. Which is the bare minimum you'd expect for any United player, let alone one who is historically one of the highest earner the club has ever had.

 

[Lyng]

You say this but Beckham never had to play in average team, he played with exceptional players and under a force of nature of a manager. It’s so easy for fans to criticise Rashford, and it’s fair on the pitch to see his head drop and moan (I’ve done it plenty), but it’s gone so wide of the make now with him effectively being labeled a lazy git who can’t be arsed and apparently was never any good anyway. Stop comparing a player now to someone who is nearly 50 as well - he played in a completely different world.

On the other hand the abuse of Rashford, while vile, has never been at the level that Becks had to endure.

 

[jem]

Wonder what the longest post ever on the Caf is, surely a contender.

Yeah - ridiculously clutters up this thread

 

[Exiled_Red]

Listening to the Overlap and that twat Carragher actually makes a good point…why do we spend so much time talking about Rashford? He’s not good enough of a player to spend this much time discussing. When’s the last time a player of his caliber, one that’s not only not a top player in the league but not even on his team, has been discussed this much?

 

[JBG]

Listening to the Overlap and that twat Carragher actually makes a good point…why do we spend so much time talking about Rashford? He’s not good enough of a player to spend this much time discussing. When’s the last time a player of his caliber, one that’s not only not a top player in the league but not even on his team, has been discussed this much?

The short answer is he's a MU academy kid, that also the last years have had alot of PR cover because of the good stuff he's done for children. But mainly because he's a MU player and MU news "sells". But yeah I agree, there is way too much talk and cover about a player that's not even a world class player.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Then let's compare him to Amad, Maguire and Antony.

All got dropped at some point but stuck around and showed effort on the field. Which is the bare minimum you'd expect for any United player, let alone one who is historically one of the highest earner the club has ever had.

But none of them come close to what Rashford gets in terms of abuse. The only current England player who has more pressure than him re social media is Bellingham, Rashford has the same amount as followers as Kane and more than any other current England player.

People on here act like he's always been the player he is today, an obvious lie.

On the other hand the abuse of Rashford, while vile, has never been at the level that Becks had to endure.

Different and we don't really know. Beckham got dog's abuse but he played in an era where you could hide from it. Beckham left United in 2003, mobile phones were only just getting widely adopted, there certainly weren't any toxic social media sites or online trolls. If he went out he would get verbal abuse and he got booed for a while when he played but it Rashford has zero escape from it unless he never goes online.

 

[Lyng]

But none of them come close to what Rashford gets in terms of abuse. The only current England player who has more pressure than him re social media is Bellingham, Rashford has the same amount as followers as Kane and more than any other current England player.

People on here act like he's always been the player he is today, an obvious lie.

Different and we don't really know. Beckham got dog's abuse but he played in an era where you could hide from it. Beckham left United in 2003, mobile phones were only just getting widely adopted, there certainly weren't any toxic social media sites or online trolls. If he went out he would get verbal abuse and he got booed for a while when he played but it Rashford has zero escape from it unless he never goes online.

How was Becks supposed to hide from it? They where hanging dolls with his shirt on out side bars etc. Every stadium he was getting abused. the media was abusing him, his own national team manager threw him under the bus.

 

[JBG]

But none of them come close to what Rashford gets in terms of abuse. The only current England player who has more pressure than him re social media is Bellingham, Rashford has the same amount as followers as Kane and more than any other current England player.

People on here act like he's always been the player he is today, an obvious lie.

Different and we don't really know. Beckham got dog's abuse but he played in an era where you could hide from it. Beckham left United in 2003, mobile phones were only just getting widely adopted, there certainly weren't any toxic social media sites or online trolls. If he went out he would get verbal abuse and he got booed for a while when he played but it Rashford has zero escape from it unless he never goes online.

Maguire?? The man got abuse/ridiculed from Arabian pundits, mocking defenders who made mistakes, Van "Maguire" for example. Or how much attention and scrutiny he got after his visit to Greece(?) or how every borderline mistake he did/does gets blown up online.

Same with Antony, being called a fidget spinner, or being mocked for the amount he was paid for. Rashford has gotten alot of abuse or comments online, but those 2 has gotten plenty as well. But they put their head down and just continued to work hard.

 

[tomaldinho1]

How was Becks supposed to hide from it? They where hanging dolls with his shirt on out side bars etc. Every stadium he was getting abused. the media was abusing him, his own national team manager threw him under the bus.

How do you not get the difference between pre widespread mobiles, social media etc and now?

 

[Lyng]

How do you not get the difference between pre widespread mobiles, social media etc and now?

Id argue its easier to just stay off social media then having to hide in your home because you cant walk the streets without getting abused.

 

[cj_sparky]

But none of them come close to what Rashford gets in terms of abuse. The only current England player who has more pressure than him re social media is Bellingham, Rashford has the same amount as followers as Kane and more than any other current England player.

People on here act like he's always been the player he is today, an obvious lie.

Different and we don't really know. Beckham got dog's abuse but he played in an era where you could hide from it. Beckham left United in 2003, mobile phones were only just getting widely adopted, there certainly weren't any toxic social media sites or online trolls. If he went out he would get verbal abuse and he got booed for a while when he played but it Rashford has zero escape from it unless he never goes online.

Yeah, I'm sure it didn't bother David Beckham when the police investigated bullets being sent in the post addressed to him.

 

[Gavinb33]

As an oppose to Grealish who has about 11 goals in 86 for city. Some people was saying a swap deal. Williams is like 22.

Weird to bring another play I wouldn't want at United into it but whatever, to put this clearly you don't replace a mediocre player who doesn't deliver that much with another mediocre player who doesn't deliver that much might as well punch ourselves in the face

 

[tomaldinho1]

Maguire?? The man got abuse/ridiculed from Arabian pundits, mocking defenders who made mistakes, Van "Maguire" for example. Or how much attention and scrutiny he got after his visit to Greece(?) or how every borderline mistake he did/does gets blown up online.

Same with Antony, being called a fidget spinner, or being mocked for the amount he was paid for. Rashford has gotten alot of abuse or comments online, but those 2 has gotten plenty as well. But they put their head down and just continued to work hard.

Maguire got abuse for bad form, Rashford gets racially abused, his character battered AND then his form. Antony had a period of real bashing in the UK but it's fully died away, it was like 2-3months at the level Rashford gets and he has endured it much longer given how long he's been at United. There's no excusing Rashford's crap form but you clearly don't understand how much more of a 'celebrity' he is than the other two (which in itself is part of his problem but it remains true).

 

[tomaldinho1]

Yeah, I'm sure it didn't bother David Beckham when the police investigated bullets being sent in the post addressed to him.

Exactly as I said, good to see reading comprehension remains strong in the public

 

[Still ill]

But none of them come close to what Rashford gets in terms of abuse. The only current England player who has more pressure than him re social media is Bellingham, Rashford has the same amount as followers as Kane and more than any other current England player.

People on here act like he's always been the player he is today, an obvious lie.

Different and we don't really know. Beckham got dog's abuse but he played in an era where you could hide from it. Beckham left United in 2003, mobile phones were only just getting widely adopted, there certainly weren't any toxic social media sites or online trolls. If he went out he would get verbal abuse and he got booed for a while when he played but it Rashford has zero escape from it unless he never goes online.

That comparison between what Marcus has to put up with and what Beckham endured is so wide of the mark. Beckham's every move was followed by a media scrum, every rival set of fans laid into him, his missus and family got the same from the press on a daily basis. This is in real life. If Marcus turns his phone off, God forbid, most of his abuse disappears. The element of choice here is pretty important I think. I agree of course that online trolling has added a huge level of complexity in the modern world but it doesn't beat hanging effigys of you in real life. In my opinion.

 

[Lyng]

Yeah, I'm sure it didn't bother David Beckham when the police investigated bullets being sent in the post addressed to him.

Yeah its pretty wild to claim Becks could just hide from it

 

[themanguydude]

As an oppose to Grealish who has about 11 goals in 86 for city. Some people was saying a swap deal. Williams is like 22.

What's the point of bringing up Grealish? How is he even relevant to the discussion

Were you under the impression that some people are advocating for us to get Grealish instead?

 

[tomaldinho1]

That comparison between what Marcus has to put up with and what Beckham endured is so wide of the mark. Beckham's every move was followed by a media scrum, every rival set of fans laid into him, his missus and family got the same from the press on a daily basis. This is in real life. If Marcus turns his phone off, God forbid, most of his abuse disappears. The element of choice here is pretty important I think. I agree of course that online trolling has added a huge level of complexity in the modern world but it doesn't beat hanging effigys of you in real life. In my opinion.

100% I dread to think what it would be like now, had Beckham played this WC for example, but it is very different. Beckham had a horrendous period for a mistake he made which he then got to atone for and become a hero again (doesn't take away the awfulness of the period which was made a million times worse by the media) but United protected him, the players fought for him and, when you watch his doc, he always had the safety and comfort of United and his day to day life to get through it. I don't really think that exists anymore.

Only Rashford knows why he's struggling so much of recent times, but at the end of the day he's not really done a lot to warrant the amount of vitriol he gets. He's a football player who either has a decent game or a poor one every week, and the last two seasons there have been a lot of poor ones but just look at this thread. People seem to detest the guy.

 

[Van Gaal Fanz]

Those who stick with Rashford are the real fans

 

[cj_sparky]

Exactly as I said, good to see reading comprehension remains strong in the public

I can read, I take issue with you saying Beckham could "Hide from it". I don't know how you hide from an active police investigation into bullets being sent to your place of work, the emotional impact that would have had on him and his family.

 

[DJ_21]

What's the point of bringing up Grealish? How is he even relevant to the discussion

Were you under the impression that some people are advocating for us to get Grealish instead?

I have seen a few people mention Grealish yes.

 

[DJ_21]

Weird to bring another play I wouldn't want at United into it but whatever, to put this clearly you don't replace a mediocre player who doesn't deliver that much with another mediocre player who doesn't deliver that much might as well punch ourselves in the face

Ok here’s another example… that’s like saying why did we sign Ronaldo when he got like 3 goals in his first season at sporting. It’s a lot harder to deliver for a team where you’re not a top team and you don’t have enough quality players. Top players also need better standard players around them to reach another level.

 

[BarstoolProphet]

Those who stick with Rashford are the real fans

Fans of Rashford? And stick with him if he moves to another club?

 

[Giggsy13]

Replace with nico Williams who I’m sure only as a 48m release clause. It’s as easy as that.

No thanks, we should be signing Gyokeres.

 

[Utterly De Ligt'd]

TBF it was also that his lifestyle outside football was felt to be impacting his onfield performances (distance covered, tracking back) such that ole was a better option on the right wing. Credit to Beckham when he was dropped v Madrid, he came on as a sub and did his taking on the pitch.

I would love Marcus to do the same. Let’s see…

I think it was almost exclusively his outside life that led to his end at United. It's not like he played bad, was dropped, lost his spot in the team and was sold, but was also a media circus. He was a media circus, he was the opposite of the type of personality SAF wanted in his team. Their relationship started to deteriorate after Becks met Victoria, too much traveling to london, late nights, media attention, then there was the whole mohawk thing, followed by the boot incident and the relationship got to a point where it couldn't continue. But Beckham continued to be a top player through it and for years after. Rashford doesn't have 1/10th the talent Beckham had.

 

[RedDevil@84]

You’re rambling and waffling mate.

You will be essay'd

 

[Forevergiggs1]

100% I dread to think what it would be like now, had Beckham played this WC for example, but it is very different. Beckham had a horrendous period for a mistake he made which he then got to atone for and become a hero again (doesn't take away the awfulness of the period which was made a million times worse by the media) but United protected him, the players fought for him and, when you watch his doc, he always had the safety and comfort of United and his day to day life to get through it. I don't really think that exists anymore.

Only Rashford knows why he's struggling so much of recent times, but at the end of the day he's not really done a lot to warrant the amount of vitriol he gets. He's a football player who either has a decent game or a poor one every week, and the last two seasons there have been a lot of poor ones but just look at this thread. People seem to detest the guy.

Beckham got to atone for it because he had the balls to stand up and be counted. The club have protected Rashford through the good times and the bad until it's reached the stage where the penny has finally dropped that he's just not worth it. This isn't on the club. It's totally on Rashford with his attitude especially on the pitch.

All football fans want to see from their players is the effort being put in. Rashford falls way short in that regard which is why he's being singled out on social media. If Rashford had the same balls as Beckham or even Maguire then he could quite easily turn things around but as that doesn't seem to be in his dna then I think it's best for all involved that he moves on.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

You will be essay'd

 

[Robbie Boy]

You will be essay'd