[Tarrou]

haven't had many players playing this badly in the PL era that I can recall

his reputation has carried him through for a while but enough is enough

it's amazing that people can watch this and think someone is gonna pay us a transfer fee to remove this problem and take it on instead

 

[FrankDrebin]

Things are bad when we have fictional super villain anologies.

 

[buckooo1978]

Sancho is more talented and he's still only got 2 loans.

loan with an obligation

also is he more talented?

 

[buckooo1978]

Sancho was probably a more attractive proposition to other clubs because he is younger

someone who had a reputation for being ill-disciplined even more that Rashford. The guy basically went on strike at United

 

[klayton88]

This is almost the last season or two of Rooney, just begging him to get that 250th goal and leave, but this lad has no end in sight, he's ours and he's here until that contract runs down, it's just how the club manage it, will they give the Bale treatment to a local academy player, even though he's mugged the club and the fans off for years now?

 

[Hammondo]

loan with an obligation

also is he more talented?

I didn't know about the obligation. Yes I would say he is, Rashford only has his speed.

 

[Ljungster]

Talk about over exaggeration from pretty much everyone. In what world was his first half that bad? it wasn't even that bad..

For context around his numbers, here's is his numbers compared to others this season:
Rashford: 7+3.
Gordon: 3+1.
Gakpo: 8+3.
Diaz: 9+3.
Martinelli: 4+3.
Amad: 3+6.
Garnacho: 8+4.
Leao: 6+6.
Kvaraskhelia: 5+3.
Dembele: 5+7.
Grealish: 0+2.
Savinho: 0+5.
Doku: 3+3.
Kulusevski: 4+7.

At this point in time it's more online bullying than anything.

 

[Adisa]

Apparently, was the only sub Amorim didn’t acknowledge.
I can’t see how we sell him without subsidizing his wages. It’s fecked up. £350k a week is money reserved for world class players ffs!

 

[Oranges038]

Talk about over exaggeration from pretty much everyone. In what world was his first half that bad? it wasn't even that bad..

For context around his numbers, here's is his numbers compared to others this season:
Rashford: 7+3.
Gordon: 3+1.
Gakpo: 8+3.
Diaz: 9+3.
Martinelli: 4+3.
Amad: 3+6.
Garnacho: 8+4.
Leao: 6+6.
Kvaraskhelia: 5+3.
Dembele: 5+7.
Grealish: 0+2.
Savinho: 0+5.
Doku: 3+3.
Kulusevski: 4+7.

At this point in time it's more online bullying than anything.

When you say not that bad?

What are you comparing it too?

Not bad for him based on his other games or just not bad for anyone?

As for his numbers, these are the teams he's got those goals & assists against. He's played in 24 games, started 19 and produced in 5 of those games. Against 3 of the worst teams in the league, and 2 half decent teams.

Southampton 1g
Barnsley 2g, 1a
Porto 1g, 1a
Brentford 1a
Ipswich 1g
Everton 2g

 

[jem]

Talk about over exaggeration from pretty much everyone. In what world was his first half that bad? it wasn't even that bad..

For context around his numbers, here's is his numbers compared to others this season:
Rashford: 7+3.
Gordon: 3+1.
Gakpo: 8+3.
Diaz: 9+3.
Martinelli: 4+3.
Amad: 3+6.
Garnacho: 8+4.
Leao: 6+6.
Kvaraskhelia: 5+3.
Dembele: 5+7.
Grealish: 0+2.
Savinho: 0+5.
Doku: 3+3.
Kulusevski: 4+7.

At this point in time it's more online bullying than anything.

All you’ve done is prove how misleading stats can be. For example, Kulusevski and Rashford have been in different performance stratospheres this year,

 

[Pughnichi]

Talk about over exaggeration from pretty much everyone. In what world was his first half that bad? it wasn't even that bad..

For context around his numbers, here's is his numbers compared to others this season:
Rashford: 7+3.
Gordon: 3+1.
Gakpo: 8+3.
Diaz: 9+3.
Martinelli: 4+3.
Amad: 3+6.
Garnacho: 8+4.
Leao: 6+6.
Kvaraskhelia: 5+3.
Dembele: 5+7.
Grealish: 0+2.
Savinho: 0+5.
Doku: 3+3.
Kulusevski: 4+7.

At this point in time it's more online bullying than anything.

Sticking with numbers

For context, Amad is currently earning an alleged 30k a week

 

[Ljungster]

All you’ve done is prove how misleading stats can be. For example, Kulusevski and Rashford have been in different performance stratospheres this year,

And yet Tottenham is pretty much equal to United and his performances have led to very little actual output in terms of points for his team.

 

[Ljungster]

Sticking with numbers

For context, Amad is currently earning an alleged 30k a week

Is it hus fault that United decided to offer him his current wage? Like you would say no thank you to a 3 fold increase in your salary for the reason that in reality you don't really perform to earn that type of money. Everyone would accept that type of increase and not argue against it. His salary is the fault of higher ups at the club, not him..

 

[Oldyella]

Is it hus fault that United decided to offer him his current wage? Like you would say no thank you to a 3 fold increase in your salary for the reason that in reality you don't really perform to earn that type of money. Everyone would accept that type of increase and not argue against it. His salary is the fault of higher ups at the club, not him..

It's not his fault. It's also not the clubs fault if they want to feck him off as they aren't getting their monies worth.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

Talk about over exaggeration from pretty much everyone. In what world was his first half that bad? it wasn't even that bad..

For context around his numbers, here's is his numbers compared to others this season:
Rashford: 7+3.
Gordon: 3+1.
Gakpo: 8+3.
Diaz: 9+3.
Martinelli: 4+3.
Amad: 3+6.
Garnacho: 8+4.
Leao: 6+6.
Kvaraskhelia: 5+3.
Dembele: 5+7.
Grealish: 0+2.
Savinho: 0+5.
Doku: 3+3.
Kulusevski: 4+7.

At this point in time it's more online bullying than anything.

My issue has never been his ability to put the numbers up, it's his lack of tracking back, effort and sloppy passes and not making the right decisions on the ball. No doubt he can hit the back of the net and assist but his all round game I don't think has been good enough. If you like your stats take a look at his FBREF account (listed below) and you will see his stats are horrendous, whereas someone like Kvaraskhelia hugely impacts the game, take a look at his.

https://fbref.com/en/players/a1d5bd30/Marcus-Rashford
https://fbref.com/en/players/dea88efd/Khvicha-Kvaratskhelia

 

[Ljungster]

It's not his fault. It's also not the clubs fault if they want to feck him off as they aren't getting their monies worth.

Can't force him out unless you do a Chelsea and exclude him from the squad all together. And is that really how we want to be seen as a club? What message would that send to players and youngsters? If you don't perform we do not care about you and will throw you out instead of giving you support? Is that how you want your workplace to be?

 

[Ljungster]

My issue has never been his ability to put the numbers up, it's his lack of tracking back, effort and sloppy passes and not making the right decisions on the ball. No doubt he can hit the back of the net and assist but his all round game I don't think has been good enough. If you like your stats take a look at his FBREF account (listed below) and you will see his stats are horrendous, whereas someone like Kvaraskhelia hugely impacts the game, take a look at his.

https://fbref.com/en/players/a1d5bd30/Marcus-Rashford
https://fbref.com/en/players/dea88efd/Khvicha-Kvaratskhelia

Absolutely but those stats also show that Kvara is worse in defence so the question then comes: Would people be okey with seing Kvara work less of the ball in defence when they already complain about Rashford?

 

[Strachan8]

Can't force him out unless you do a Chelsea and exclude him from the squad all together. And is that really how we want to be seen as a club? What message would that send to players and youngsters? If you don't perform we do not care about you and will throw you out instead of giving you support? Is that how you want your workplace to be?

The respective league positions of Chelsea and Utd suggest one approach works and another doesn't. Put the players on much more performance related pay and problem gone - rashford would be earning less than Amad!

 

[Oldyella]

Can't force him out unless you do a Chelsea and exclude him from the squad all together. And is that really how we want to be seen as a club? What message would that send to players and youngsters? If you don't perform we do not care about you and will throw you out instead of giving you support? Is that how you want your workplace to be?

I work as a part of a team of 9. 4 of them phone it in, day after day, week after week. My worklife is harder because of them. I want nothing more than my boss to realise this and manage them out.

 

[VP89]

Can't force him out unless you do a Chelsea and exclude him from the squad all together. And is that really how we want to be seen as a club? What message would that send to players and youngsters? If you don't perform we do not care about you and will throw you out instead of giving you support? Is that how you want your workplace to be?

In this scenario Rashford isn't leaving and meeting us half way so yes I think it's fine

 

[spwd]

With great difficulty, I suspect. That said, I do think there would be buyers. Even with his wage, Rashford would be an attractive prospect for a few teams. Ineos will have to accept that they won’t get a big fee for him. That’s almost certainly out of the question. For roughly 30M, though, I could see teams like Bayern, PSG and Barcelona viewing him as a worthwhile risk. They may feel that a change of scenery will reinvigorate him. The Saudis would likely pay a decent fee and give him a big wage, but I doubt Rashford would accept such a move at this point. However it happens, ruthlessness is required. They need to find a way to get it done.

I don't even think 30 mil is achievable with his wages. We're basically going to have to give him away.
Would getting a higher fee and subsidising his wages be be better for psr or whatever its called?

 

[NinjaZombie]

Talk about over exaggeration from pretty much everyone. In what world was his first half that bad? it wasn't even that bad..

For context around his numbers, here's is his numbers compared to others this season:
Rashford: 7+3.
Gordon: 3+1.
Gakpo: 8+3.
Diaz: 9+3.
Martinelli: 4+3.
Amad: 3+6.
Garnacho: 8+4.
Leao: 6+6.
Kvaraskhelia: 5+3.
Dembele: 5+7.
Grealish: 0+2.
Savinho: 0+5.
Doku: 3+3.
Kulusevski: 4+7.

At this point in time it's more online bullying than anything.

Football's more than numbers, friend. The lack of effort Rashford puts into his general play hampers the team.

 

[Utterly De Ligt'd]

He won't even be a professional football player by the age of 30. Screenshot this comment.

 

[jem]

And yet Tottenham is pretty much equal to United and his performances have led to very little actual output in terms of points for his team.

That’s one of the more preposterous things I’ve read on here. Football success obviously depends on more than one player; otherwise Tottenham would’ve won multiple titles during the Kane years.

 

[jem]

Can't force him out unless you do a Chelsea and exclude him from the squad all together. And is that really how we want to be seen as a club? What message would that send to players and youngsters? If you don't perform we do not care about you and will throw you out instead of giving you support? Is that how you want your workplace to be?

Yeah let’s instead send the message to youngsters that it’s ok to phone it in once you get your desired bumper contact…

 

[macko12345]

Any, and I mean any other winger in top 10 teams, will easily be more productive and effective for our team than Rashford.
He just doesnt put enough effort, or has the technical ability to perform week in week out. The number of times he loses the ball is unreal.
He's so lethargic its like he knows he is at the end of his career at UTD and just joggs along uninterested in the game.
Nowhere near good enough to be starting for UTD. Move along

 

[JustinC00]

Just feels like once we get rid of him a huge albatross will be lifted from the club and we will kick on.

 

[RRCE]

I don't even think 30 mil is achievable with his wages. We're basically going to have to give him away.
Would getting a higher fee and subsidising his wages be be better for psr or whatever its called?

I think 30M is realistic even with his wages, but you could well be correct. We did better than I expected with Sancho, who had been frozen out of team, hadn't really proved anything in the EPL, and was also on a big wage. Rashford should, in theory, just be entering his prime (although I think he's peaked). He's marketable and has clearly shown that he can score goals. There are plenty of foolish teams out there...someone would bite, I think.

I'm not sure about the PSR side of things. Someone who is versed in those rules may be able to shed some light on that. Essentially, it seems to be a money in and and money out analysis. Whatever fee we got would be pure profit, which is obviously the most beneficial from a PSR perspective. I would think that subsidizing his wages would simply reduce that economic benefit.

 

[dutchred]

Sell him and subsidise his wages till the end of his contract

 

[BorisManUtd]

We'll have to hope there are interested clubs, especially with his wages. Otherwise wait another 3,5 years.

 

[AndySmith1990]

Can't force him out unless you do a Chelsea and exclude him from the squad all together. And is that really how we want to be seen as a club? What message would that send to players and youngsters? If you don't perform we do not care about you and will throw you out instead of giving you support? Is that how you want your workplace to be?

Why the hell should anyone support someone who can't be bothered to put in the effort? In most workplaces they'd be sacked, nevermind supported. Footballers not only have the privilege of having long term contracts to keep them safe from any real accountability for their actions, but also the privilege of unconditional support from people who want to be seen as "proper" fans. It's ridiculous how pampered they are, which probably leads into a wider discussion about how that contributes to so many talented youngsters failing to meet their potential once they've "made it".

Rashford would be collecting his dole money each week if he weren't a footballer and he carried the same attitude and lack of effort into a normal career. The guy needs to be told straight, but like with so many others I expect those around him just tell him how great he is and how everyone else is a horrible bully for being so critical

 

[Brazilian_Ronaldo_9]

I don’t know if injuries have done him in, he doesn’t have that explosive pace to beat players. Either injuries or confidence, either way it’s time for him to accept and move on with his career.

Not good enough as a striker and doesn’t work hard on the wings. Still has a decent shot on him but non existent overall game.

 

[NinjaZombie]

His profile photo on this thread should be changed to the more surly and moody Rashford of 2024.

 

[Sky1981]

Can't force him out unless you do a Chelsea and exclude him from the squad all together. And is that really how we want to be seen as a club? What message would that send to players and youngsters? If you don't perform we do not care about you and will throw you out instead of giving you support? Is that how you want your workplace to be?

How bout if you don't give a feck you'll get fecked.

If you do give a feck, we reward you with big money

This is not a player being injured or having a bad patch. This is him losing interest and take things for granted

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

Why the hell should anyone support someone who can't be bothered to put in the effort? In most workplaces they'd be sacked, nevermind supported. Footballers not only have the privilege of having long term contracts to keep them safe from any real accountability for their actions, but also the privilege of unconditional support from people who want to be seen as "proper" fans. It's ridiculous how pampered they are, which probably leads into a wider discussion about how that contributes to so many talented youngsters failing to meet their potential once they've "made it".

Rashford would be collecting his dole money each week if he weren't a footballer and he carried the same attitude and lack of effort into a normal career. The guy needs to be told straight, but like with so many others I expect those around him just tell him how great he is and how everyone else is a horrible bully for being so critical

Would a manager be allowed to sack a suddenly disabled person on a contract for turning disabled?

Obviously Rashford doesnt have a disability but i think he is just physically not a professional football level athlete at the top level anymore - some would argue that he never wasnt.

However, some people think he isnt showing intensity to his game because he is mentally gotten worse whilst some people think he isnt showing the intensity due to his physicality getting worse.

The reality is that its a mixture of both as a persons physicality can cause mentality demise whilst a persons mental demise can cause problems in their physical output aswell.

Im not sure claiming that people showing physical deterioration when working in an office, at home or as a footballer just as people that "cant be bothered to put in the effort" is right.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Talk about over exaggeration from pretty much everyone. In what world was his first half that bad? it wasn't even that bad..

For context around his numbers, here's is his numbers compared to others this season:
Rashford: 7+3.
Gordon: 3+1.
Gakpo: 8+3.
Diaz: 9+3.
Martinelli: 4+3.
Amad: 3+6.
Garnacho: 8+4.
Leao: 6+6.
Kvaraskhelia: 5+3.
Dembele: 5+7.
Grealish: 0+2.
Savinho: 0+5.
Doku: 3+3.
Kulusevski: 4+7.

At this point in time it's more online bullying than anything.

Stop looking at stats and start watching games of football!

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

His profile photo on this thread should be changed to the more surly and moody Rashford of 2024.

Yeah I don't remember the last time we saw him look as happy as he does in that profile photo.

Even on the rare occasions he's scored in the last few years, he's still looked miserable or annoyed.

 

[afrocentricity]

Just feels like once we get rid of him a huge albatross will be lifted from the club and we will kick on.

Don't do this to yourself.... Read this so many times on here. It'll be someone else next time...


We just need enough great players, when there's enough then the cream rises to the top and nobody gives much of a shit about those that underperform. I hope we've sorted out our recruitment....

 

[Red For Ever]

Talk about over exaggeration from pretty much everyone. In what world was his first half that bad? it wasn't even that bad..

For context around his numbers, here's is his numbers compared to others this season:
Rashford: 7+3.
Gordon: 3+1.
Gakpo: 8+3.
Diaz: 9+3.
Martinelli: 4+3.
Amad: 3+6.
Garnacho: 8+4.
Leao: 6+6.
Kvaraskhelia: 5+3.
Dembele: 5+7.
Grealish: 0+2.
Savinho: 0+5.
Doku: 3+3.
Kulusevski: 4+7.

At this point in time it's more online bullying than anything.

I dont remember much from my School and University days.

But I distinctly remember a book called :

How to lie with statistics

 

[Ludens the Red]

Talk about over exaggeration from pretty much everyone. In what world was his first half that bad? it wasn't even that bad..

For context around his numbers, here's is his numbers compared to others this season:
Rashford: 7+3.
Gordon: 3+1.
Gakpo: 8+3.
Diaz: 9+3.
Martinelli: 4+3.
Amad: 3+6.
Garnacho: 8+4.
Leao: 6+6.
Kvaraskhelia: 5+3.
Dembele: 5+7.
Grealish: 0+2.
Savinho: 0+5.
Doku: 3+3.
Kulusevski: 4+7.

At this point in time it's more online bullying than anything.

Gordon - been shite this season and Newcastle fans not happy with his contributions especially away from home. Works hard and runs himself into the ground regardless.

Gakpo - in and out of the team. Did however score goals against Man City and Real Madrid. Works hard and runs himself into ground.

Diaz - in and out of the Liverpool team but has scored goals against United and Leverkusen. Another who works his arse off.

Martinelli - gets benched loads and Arsenal fans want a new left sided attacker to replace him. Again though, works his arse off.

Amad - been miles better than rashford with his overall play. In basically his first proper season in the first team: works hard:

Garnacho - 20… plenty time to develop. Is also receiving his fair share of criticism. Could undeniably work a bit harder.

Leao - been criticised for his inconsistencies all season.

Kvat - never been and never gonna be a huge numbers guy. Runs like an absolute dog and creates ample chances and havoc.

Dembele - gets slagged off regularly by Juliet Laurent.

Grealish - has been binned by Pep since he became a piss head. And has been mocked for going 44 games without a goal.

Savinho - 1st year in prem and again has been criticised for lack of end product.

Doku - see above but 2nd year in prem:

Kulu - as @jem mentioned not in the same league as performance levels this year. Works his arse off and again will never be a huge numbers guy anyway: footballing and playmaking ability, miles above what rashford produces. Rashford can only dream of the close dribbling skills kulu possesses.

It’s not online bullying. Unlike a lot of those others players 1. He plays for United where scrutiny is higher. 2. He’s a lot older than most of those players. 3. Poor off field behavior. 4. Highest paid player at the club iirc.
But above all else, he puts little to zero effort in during most games. I can put my life on it that rashford would not be criticised anywhere near the level he does if he actually regularly put a shift in. His numbers weren’t great between 2016 and 2018 yet he was loved cos he busted a gut:

Nobody is bullying Rashford.

Unfortunately after years of surrounding himself by yes men, high levels of PR and poor influences and trying to adopt a celebrity lifestyle he’s turned into a bloke who loves the smell of his own farts and thinks he’s too big of a deal to run around a bit during a match day. Struts around like everyone owes him something and he’s been wronged. Just fecking run you dafty and most of this goes away.