I have been posting on message boards about Manchester United as long as I can remember using the internet. Obviously these types of sites are notorious for people complaining, that's what the whole internet is, but it's different than it is now. Back in the day we might argue about tactics, or performances, etc, but we all had a common goal, we supported Manchester United and wanted out team to be successful.
The Ronaldo/Messi era changed things, people picked their favorite of the two and Player FC started. A whole generation of football fans grew up idolizing one of two individual players, and became fans of those players, not their teams. This seems to have permanently altered the football world because people started to prioritize individual players, they started following individual players, as they move team to team and often times they seem to put those players above the club they are playing for.
So now on a site like Redcafe, which is supposedly United fans, we can't have an honest conversation about our team because we are arguing with people that put Ronaldo, Sancho, Rashford, etc above the good of United. Or you end up with situations like this thread, or Zirkzee's thread. Honestly, as a United fan, I am disgusted by the conversations I have read by people that are also supposed to be United fans. There are plently of players I don't like that we have signed, Mount, Amrabat to name a couple recently, but the moment they sign, we're the same team, and what do I have to gain from slagging them off and wishing them failure? Nothing, their success is my success, so I hope nothing more than those players, that I don't personally rate, proving me wrong and putting in good performances.
I read through this thread and I don't for a second think these are honest actors who hope to see Ugarte improve and United's success improve, no, I know what I am dealing with are people that wanted us to sign Amadou Onana or Joao Neves this summer. We didn't sign their favorite player, and now they are here to point out everything negative they can connect to this decision. You aren't arguing with United fans, you are arguing with Neves/Onana fans, and their goals don't align with yours, they want United to fail, so they could be right.