Yes, because the reason the Ligue 1 has that UEFA coefficient is because of the roster turnovers and a general lack of experience which is crucial in CL and EL.
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Yes, because the reason the Ligue 1 has that UEFA coefficient is because of the roster turnovers and a general lack of experience which is crucial in CL and EL.
As a striker yes . Over all no !
He is better than Martial in every department, ask the Monaco fans about the 2, they know better.
Looks a step above Martial from what I've seen, looks faster and is definitely a better finisher.
Why do you still lose time with those arguments, they really believe in that, probably Kante, Henry, Petit, Martial, Cantona could not be the players they are if they didn't play in a rainy, wet and cold night at Stoke.
Exactly, scoring a goal per game at his age in France is not done by anyone, looks an outstanding talent. Would love United to sign him, would be like our Rooney signing in 2004.
Not EVERY department. Martial's dribbling in close quarters is better.He is better than Martial in every department, ask the Monaco fans about the 2, they know better.
He is better than Martial in every department, ask the Monaco fans about the 2, they know better.
No they don't. United fans can't even agree on our players, it's the same for every club. They're just football supporters.
Only by United fans on here.Oh yes
That has a lot to do with this being his breakthrough season imo. The media/fans love a shiny new toy. Martial was considered Ballon D or material last year, now Mbappe is considered the bigger talent.
Look you can ask the French posters here, but since I watched Mbappé last summer against Portugal in the semifinals of the Euro Under 19, he remembered me Cristiano and Henry at the same age, he and Dembelé have more potential than Martial, but it is my opinion, for me he should stay 1 more year at Monaco, and if Jardim stays even better for him.
So you know better than them, right?
If we were in for him it would be as a number 9 I assume. Would be terrific to see him and Rashford compete for that role in the long term.
I'm not sure what type of striker Mourinho wants in the long term though - a target man like Zlatan & Drogba or a more agile, fluid striker like Mbappe/Rasfhord can be.
I'm not sure what type of striker Mourinho wants in the long term though - a target man like Zlatan & Drogba or a more agile, fluid striker like Mbappe/Rasfhord can be.
Sad that a thread originally designed to discuss a very promising player who does not play for us now makes for depressing reading as regards another player who does.
Let me tell you something whether Mbappé is more talented or not, Martial is a great talent and we can cherish him.
Oh yes
That has a lot to do with this being his breakthrough season imo. The media/fans love a shiny new toy. Martial was considered Ballon D or material last year, now Mbappe is considered the bigger talent.
Ousmane Dembélé was the emerging star last season in France with Rennes. He preferred to join Dortmund instead of clubs like Barcelona. And he is successful there.
Who considered Martial as Ballon D'or material? Certainly not the French medias/followers.
Hate is the price to pay when you're powerful: the same applies to clubs like PSG in France (most of French people were happy to see them kicked out by Barcelona btw) and probably Chelsea/City.
Why is the Martial acquisition overpaid? Because of the medias and 'fanboys'?
The explanation is sample: the wealthiest club in the world needs a big name/potential few days before the end of the mercato period ---> you necessarily overpay due to the bad timing
The right question is: is France a proper producer of talented footballers?
The comparison Mbappé-Martial is very interesting because they played with the same players for the same club under the same coach in the same era.
M'Bappé ---- picture at the age of 17 years
Martial ---- picture at the age of 18 years
If you watch him nowadays, M'bappé looks physically stronger than Martial and it's a key factor of success in the UK. Martial is more versatile.
If a club acquires Mbappe, it means:
a) the club acquires the French league? No
b) the club acquires a player coming from a League with a proven track record in terms of production of talented players successful in the EPL? Yes
Newcastle is known in France for being a club that overpays average/decent players. M'bappé is another story: already an elite player in a French context -> How many players have scored in the French League more goals than him at the same age? I don't see, I will research another day.
I didn't dispute that. Never said Martial is more talented. But Martial's close control is very very good. The ball seems glued to his feet when he is dribbling, so that facet of his play seems better than Mbappe's.
Mbappe might be better, I can't say but Martial's dribbling his better.
He has already turned down Real once. They had him their, had Zidanne show him about and he decided to stay at Monaco.
I don't see why he and Martial couldn't play in the same team and thatnis proabbly the future of the French team with Dembele on the right
I don't see why he and Martial couldn't play in the same team and thatnis proabbly the future of the French team with Dembele on the right
I have nothing against Martial, he has potential, but reading this forum last Summer it looked France wasn't European Champion because they didn't played Martial, he is good and can be very good, but I see something different in Dembelé and Mbappé.
To join Monaco.
Munir, you absolute donkey.
Sorry, wrong thread.
Sorry, wrong thread.
He was intelligent then, he would not get many opportunities at Real at 18. I think he may not move this summer,even if he does he will go for 40-50 million at least and i dont see madrid paying that for a player they do not really need.
I kind of hope he doesn't. I think he would be better staying where he is for another year at least. Our problem is we have space for a striker but do we have space for yet another talent.
Right now looking about there aren't many top tier teams that really need him except maybe PSG or Arsenal. But in 2 years or even a year I'd guess Barca, Bayern and real will need a new striker(depending on if they get Auba)
So for me do we move now and maybe send him back on loan to Monaco. The money he would cost now is he the kinda guy we could put on loan somewhere.
Just cant see him coming to United, he cab choose to go to literally every club in the world and demand game time (but Barcelona).
You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thought that. More importantly, he's hardly pulling up trees this season.
Serious question to anyone in the know, is Martial even highly rated in France? I only really see over the top hoopla about him from United fans which I think is very telling. I think most neutral people rate Dembele and now Mbappe on a higher level.
I think Martial is considered a world class potential, while Mbappe and Dembele are considered Ballon D'Or potential in France. It's a storm in a teacup discussion though because most players don't reach their full potential for one reason or another.
We don't use world class or Ballon d'or as benchmarks. Mbappé and Dembélé are considered special while Martial is seen as a great potential like Rabiot, Coman or Mendy.
In France, the main rating agency is the national team coach, Deschamps.
Martial was part of the Euro 2016: he started only one game against Albania and was rather disappointing. Since that game, he didn't have a new opportunity as a starter with France.
Given his current season and the last choices of Deschamps, he can't play for France if he is a secondary player in Manchester as the competition is tough: players who met expectations at the Euro (Griezmann, Giroud, Payet), emerging players (Dembélé, M'bappé, Lemar), Coman, Valbuena...
We are simply curious to see if Martial will become a key player with Mourinho.
He isn't a hot topic of discussion. Coman and Martial have the same treatment.
1. The 2 last French players we did consider Ballon D'or potential were Ribéry in 2012/13 and Griezmann in 2016.
2. Indeed, players like Ben Arfa, Ménez, Nasri, Sakho...didn't reach their full potential.
I wish Martial would play in a system like the one Mbappe is currently flourishing under. A wide forward who plays more direct and runs the channels. Instead with our tactical setup and the league we play in, Martial faces a permanent 1v2, and has to always track back. Very few forwards could even play such a role well, and its no wonder Mourinho can't find a decent LM. You put Mbappe in Martial's role and he'll probably struggle even more. Different players, but Martial is the more versatile and talented player. Mbappe is slightly better atm with his finishing and off the ball movement.
I hope we sign him, if only because I love saying his name.
Kylian Mbappé.
Kylian Mbappé.
What do you mean by more versatile? Mbappé has played in more positions and roles than Martial.
Mbappe might roam more because of his tactical instructions, but both have started in only 3 positions this season. So your statement is false. Martial can do the other things besides scoring like dribbling, passing, and defending better than Mbappe. Mbappe is a better finisher though. Stats are different as one players gets a consistent run on an attacking team in a weaker league, while the other faces a 1v2 every game and is always asked to track back.
Mbappé played as a second striker, main striker, left winger and right winger. So how is Martial more versatile?
And Martial has player every one of those positions at some point this season too. Your point is? You could play Phil Jones everywhere on the pitch, doesn't make him more versatile.
FFS why cant we find these kids in France anymore? Did we give up after Pogba?
You are the one who made a point about Martial being more versatile and I asked you what do you meant by that. If you don't want to answer it's fine.
Looks like a real talent but if you put Martial in the French league no doubt he'd be doing the same (even Memphis as scored 5 goals in 9 games for some sort of comparison in leagues) as M'bappe.
Hot talent though, at 18 he looks the real deal. Would he score 17 goals in his first season in England though? i dunno Martial did mainly playing from the left wing.
Hot talent though, at 18 he looks the real deal. Would he score 17 goals in his first season in England though? i dunno Martial did mainly playing from the left wing.
Madrid should sign him up and play this song every time he scores:
I think Griezmann is the smarter transfer but I wonder if Jose can resist the temptation of the sheer pace and fluidity that a front 4 of Martial / Rashford / Mkhi and Mbappe would bring.
Only a couple of weeks ago, 2 people made snide remarks when I mentioned that we should be targeting Mbappe this summer instead of Greizmann. If he is level headed, he will reach far greater heights than Greizmann ever will. I want Mourinho to grab him this summer by hook or crook. If he moves to another big club this summer, that may be our chance to sign him gone for good.