I don't think transfermarkt is that reliable.
Both whoscored and Squawka(Opta powered sites) have him down as 15 as well as ESPN and the Bundesliga.
Henrikh Mkhitaryan | BVB confirm transfer
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Both whoscored and Squawka(Opta powered sites) have him down as 15 as well as ESPN and the Bundesliga.
Ribéry was an answer to people claiming "it would get pther players thinking if they should commit to the club when they can't move on to their dream clubs".
It's a stupid argument, you can also say you show players you are willing to keep your players if it is in the clubs developments best interest.
And btw. Ribery wasn't convinced of his worth, he just saw that he might be able to archieve his goals with Bayern later, like, months. That summer, we just told him to stay and wouldn't give a feck about his desires.
We have never been linked to him and I doubt we would ever be interested. He only has got one good season, he's 27, we have better or comparable players in his position and Raiola is a cnut. So, no, zero chance.
Amazing how butthurt you are. I'm not saying you are just another Liverpool. But right now, you are a team that failed to qualify for th Champions Leage in 2 of the 3 most recent seasons while playing dreadful and in need of a MAJOR squad overhaul. So, right now, you are not a powerhouse and the transfer dealings show it. transfermarkt's Bayern forum looked just like this thread from 2002 to 2009.
Admitting that is the first step. It has been for us. Try to build a squad, don't throw money at something. We tried for big names and failed, buyed overhyped one-season-wonders and shortterm solutions for years, it was part of our downfall. Even the summer of 2007 is a prime example of this. So, don't overhype players, don't go for short term solutions (*cough* Ibrahimovic *cough*) and keep buying guys like Martial or even Depay. And get a trainer that lies serious fundations. Which I'm not sure if, although he will get results, Mourinho is the right guy to do.
Oh, and neither Real nor Barcelona ever got one of our players. We have never sold somebody we wanted to stay, we do let them run down your contracts.
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Both are great players with a vastly different skillset
Which was exactly my point. We have been there. We know how to get out. And I know how a forum looks if a club is in such a position.
I don't want anybody to get hooked, but to accept realities. Because that would make this place a lot more relaxed.
Had 2 years on his contract, big tough Bayern said no.
Do they normally say no to players in last year of contract?
If they do I'll concede my point, but my guess is, they sell the player.
Who cares about Bayern? We cant follow their model because we dont have the advantages they do and never will.
Plan a) buy Aguero
B) KDB
Plan a) buy Aguero
B) KDB
Unreal transfer. I can't take it in. I just walk around like a living dead after reading that thread title.
They sold Toni Kroos.Had 2 years on his contract, big tough Bayern said no.
Do they normally say no to players in last year of contract?
If they do I'll concede my point, but my guess is, they sell the player.
For a low fee too.
25 mil Euros for one of the best midfielders in the world.
You don't have to be an ass about it.
We know we are struggling and aren't delusional enough about it to think our problems will be solved overnight.
But there's no need to be taking shots at us. It's just petty and small time.
Bayern are a great side. Very few of us actually dispute that.
Shots would look different. I just have a different perspective: Don't get Ibra, don't get Micky, buy Sane if you want to go with Bundesliga talent. You should have gotten another coach, too, not one squeezing everything out of the squad without a giving it an identity.
Seriously, it should have been the other way round: you should have gotten Pep in 2013 and we should have gone with Mourinho. Mourinho wuld have gotten the most out of our squad whereas Pep didn't, while he would have built you a great side. We could switch around now
I can feel your arrogance from here.Shots would look different. I just have a different perspective: Don't get Ibra, don't get Micky, buy Sane if you want to go with Bundesliga talent. You should have gotten another coach, too, not one squeezing everything out of the squad without a giving it an identity.
Seriously, it should have been the other way round: you should have gotten Pep in 2013 and we should have gone with Mourinho. Mourinho wuld have gotten the most out of our squad whereas Pep didn't, while he would have built you a great side. We could switch around now
Wtf is arrogant about that?
Fair enough. I suppose we are on that path with not only Martial/Depay, but with the Bailly signing, plus the promotions of Rashford, Lingard, Fosu-Mensah and CBJ. And we are mixing that with trying to get experienced players in like Zlatan and possibly Mkhitaryan, which I think is good.
68 assists is pretty impressive for a 47 year old.
I just really, really don't like the Mourinho appointment. Wrong guy for the task at hand in my opinion.
Forgot about Bailly, also a good catch. Micky can work as well, I just wouldn't expect wonders. I'm pretty sure his next season won't be that good, regardless whether he will move or not.
Malouda wasn't in his prime and Pandev wasn't "in demand". If some clubs had the bad idea to act like complete cnut, players and agent would just use the Webster ruling but most clubs are smarter than that.
What has Bayern actually achieved that's making them so smug though? They won a treble with Heynckes then....?Struggled like everyone in the CL after that. Their always going to win the Bundesliga as their closest rivals are so intent on strengthening them. What's this with Bayern fans teaching us how to 'follow their model'? Telling us coaches to hire and players to buy...? Relax with that shite
Nothing arrogant about that post, thought it was well laid out and spoke a lot of truth.
Mourinho is the right guy. We have already gone 3 years without winning league and Jose is one of the manager who is more likely to win it than not.
Also we have young squad, we have players like Shaw, Martial, Rashford, Fosu Mensah, Depay, Januzaj, Pereira who are 21 or below.
We have players like De Gea, Smalling, Blind, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Darmian who are 26 (except De Gea who is 25).
All the building for the future by signing bunch of teenagers works in FM but not in real life. You need experienced players and have to plan short term first to go anywhere in the long term.
READ THE THREAD TITLE! it's a thread about the transfer rumour surrounding mkhitaryan and united, for feck's sake.
Always expect any Bundesliga player related transfer forum thread to be spoiled by Bundesliga club supporting posters(except a couple)with non transfer related posts which is often nothing more than their typical holier than thou drivel.
Will he need a work permit ?
You are going to be disappointed buddy. You don't like the Jose appointment because you are not a fan of United.
If you are saying that Jose can't stay at a club for more than 3 years, then i would say that the jury is still out on that. This is his first real chance to stay at a club for long time. All his previous clubs only had short term plans and he was successful with them. He was not supposed to stay at Porto and Inter for long. And, Roman and Perez are the most trigger happy club owners in the recent times. If you check the history of both Chelsea and Real, you can see that they sack managers irrespective of their success. The sacking Carlo Ancelotti from Real, even after playing the so called beautiful football and winning the Champions League, is the latest example for that.
Now, if you are saying that Jose has the history of falling out with players, that's also is a myth. At Porto, he had no issues with the players and left them on good terms. At Inter, the players loved him and wanted him to stay. At Chelsea first time, there were no issues between him and players and they all loved him. And at Real Madrid, with big headed players like Ronaldo, Casilas and Ramos, and with the kind of politics they have within the club, it's not a huge surprise that Jose had issues with some of them. And you should also note the point that the issues at Real started when Jose decided to bench an under-performing Casillas. Casillas was not ready to accept it and started to play politics within the squad. Everyone will agree that the decision to bench Casillas was the right one and was in the best interest of the team. But the politics and player power at Real was so deep and the board was not able to act against it. At Chelsea 2nd time, he got sacked 6 months after winning another title for them. And just like in Real Madrid, the player power at Chelsea is well known and we have seen that few times before also. The Chelsea board was spineless to put an ultimatum to the under-performing players and instead of backing their most successful manager, they decided to sack him.
Now at United, Jose will have his first real chance to plan for the future and will have all the freedom to do what he do best. Here, he won't have that much huge pressure on him for immediate success as he had in his previous jobs. So, let's wait and see how he fares in this real test before judging his ability to manage a club long term.
And with Jose in charge, we are expecting wonders, because he is capable to do just that.
(I know that this thread is about Micky and his proposed transfer to United, but as you made some negative remarks about Jose in this thread, i am forced to reply you here. Big sorry to other members.)
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Then who on Earth is the right guy?
It looks like he needs to apply for a visa based on Armenia's lowly position in FIFA's rankings at only 110. I'm sure there'll be no problem getting a visa because Mkhitaryan's clearly one of the best 30 players in the world. Some would argue Mkhitaryan is one of the top 10 world players.
If you compare Mata to Miki you can still watch football, just keep the silly commentary in your heads.
What are the criteria which will be used?
Work permits will only be issued to international football players of the highest calibre who will be able to make a significant contribution to the development of the game of football in the United Kingdom at the highest level.
How is it established that the player is an international player of the highest calibre?
In order to establish on an initial application that the player is an international player of the highest calibre the following criteria must be met:
Armenia are currently 110 in FIFA rankings. Although Mkhitaryan lived in France for 5 years as a boy he only has an Armenian passport. I'm sure he's played 100% (or near) of Armenia's competitive matches which he's been eligible for. Apart from the rules above there are other criteria such as outstanding ability which allow one to bypass these rules. I'm sure Mkhitaryan will get a visa based on his outstanding ability.Work permits will only be issued to international football players of the highest calibre who will be able to make a significant contribution to the development of the game of football in the United Kingdom at the highest level.
How is it established that the player is an international player of the highest calibre?
In order to establish on an initial application that the player is an international player of the highest calibre the following criteria must be met:
- A player must have player for his country in at least 75% of its competitive A team matches of which he was available for selection, during the two years preceding the date of the application
- The player’s country must be at or above 70th place in the official FIFA world rankings when averaged over the two years preceding the date of the application
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What does that have to do with this matter? I'm clearly invested, although certainly not a "fan".
Pep could be, it's a shame.
Tuchel as well. Both were unatainable, I know.
As for Micki: Don't think Dortmund will sell and I really do think he's to soft for a club like United.
For the fee reported, 25m seems like a no brainer. One of the best RMs in the game and seems to want the move. However I'd probably rather the likes of James, Hulk, Reus, Hazard over him. Just think they would be more suited to United.
Hulk?
Hulk would be brilliant here. Stronger, faster, better shooting. We need someone like Ronaldo on the wings.
Id cry if we signed Hulk. Hes just not good enough
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Woody would love him. He could put him in the next X-men movie instead of Rooney, "The Hulk vs X Men"
We should get Aubameyang to and we could make a Batman vs The Hulk movie to.
Can someone tell me in short what's happening?
Long story short, Micky wants JoMo, JoMo wants Micky, but ze germans want more money.
Then give it to them. Simple.
It is literally in the thread title.
Yeah I know that but I haven't been online for 2 days so I wondered if something new happened.
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