I'd class Juve in that top tier too.
Henrikh Mkhitaryan | BVB confirm transfer
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Spoiled? This forum has been constant in its opinions of Dortmunds transfer business over the last few years.
Signing Fellaini and Rojo.. Living the good life huh?
Yeah, you could but they don't attact the best players and can't afford them. They are the reference for italian based players.
It's a united forum, not a Dortmund form. What do you expect?
A little bit of calm behaviour. In the beginning i just tried to explain the view from the Dortmund perspective. Some posters called me a wum for no reason. Now there are some posters ranting over the current status of this transfer, calling Dortmund the bitch of Buy€rn by ignoring the truth of all this stories happened. We sqeezed the last out of them, selling exactly one player to them for a record fee. Götze for the record-fee years before. And keeping Lewandowski (cause they offered us too less) and let him go for free after one great season was the right decision.
So i expect just a little bit thinking over. Watzke and Susi took our club to where he is now. They know what they are doing.
Was the same with Hummels couple of weeks ago. Watzke said "under 40 mio € we wont talk" and it was like that.
And if the genius Woodward would have come to the idea signing Micki some weeks before, you wouldnt have this situation ;-)
City with Gündogan and Buy€rn with Hummels were quicker. The statement was made month ago, that we wont let go 3 players in one summer. If Woodward is to slow, its not our fault.
So what do people reckon United will have to pay to get Mick?
I think we'll be title contenders if we get Mick Foley and Zlatan.
Was he that bad ?
Firstly, with regards to yourself, people called you a WUM as you were posting as if you were taking this transfer rumour personally. You made a fair few comments insulting United and the players (Rooney) and you were commenting as if you were Dortmund's negotiator in the deal by asking for €50m or Martial in return (with the latter clearly going to wind up the United fans- It would be similar to United fans claiming a straight swap between Fellaini and Weigl would be a fair deal.)
With regards to your comment about Woodward only appearing to move for Miki in the last few weeks. The situation itself has changed in the last few weeks, in that he just recently decided to not sign a new contract. So blaming Woodward for that isn't as fair as you make it.
You don't seem very calm about the whole situation, but it's understandable that you'd be bitter. Bayern are a bigger club, have better resources and feel like they have the pick of your players. Micky T will probably end up there on a free next season as well.
Come on, if Woodward would be a really great manager, he would have had the idea signing micki month before. It was the very same situation with Hummels, Gündogan and Micki from the begining of the last season. And the statement of Watzke were clear. The difference is, the other clubs were quicker. For example Bayern, they dont hesitate to pay what we wanted, needs some days of talking, we got the money we wanted and they get their new player. With a little bit longterm planing, Woodward would have talked to us some month ago, especially since everyone knows that we were negotiating with Micki since then. A little bit of cleverness, and Woodward wouldnt be the last coming to us and wanting a player.
Iam not bitter in any way. Just hoping that we get a high fee for Micki and have a player in mind we can get for the money to replace him somehow. Or we are keeping him and tehn i hope he will play like the last season. Iam fine with both of this possibilities.
Not good enough, never will be.
Not one of the powerhouses seems to be interested, that alone is telling enough. And no, United is not a powerhouse anymore.
Man Utd have been negotiating with Raiola for Ibrahimovic for months. It's not inconceivable that Ed would have known Mkhitaryan won't sign a new deal for months. It's normal for Ed to wait till He tells Dortmund he won't be signing a new deal before making his move.
There are tons of players who the buying club have had lone races to sign, who have gone on to be awesome players. I don't agree with you that Mkhitaryan isn't good enough to be great for Man Utd. If he does indeed turn out a great signing, no one will remember whether we were the only ones in for him.
Oh, he is good enough to be great for United. But tbh, that doesn't say much these days. Hilarious how some players are talked up here to match your image of United. It was the same in our forums from 2002 to 2008.
As for others here claiming it would be bad (because other players) or stupid (for financial reasons) to keep him: yeah, telling Ribéry and Real to feck off in 2010 really screwed us over.
But english ain't one of them!
@slig is about as calm as Charles Manson on crack in a whorehouse when it comes to discussing Dortmund business!
Notwithstanding the logical holes in the bolded statement, it is irrelevant which players other teams are looking at; what matters is what we need to build our team.
Ribery said he was happy to stay after being convinced of his worth to Bayern, his beef was with LvG and Bayern convinced him, he wasn't in the last year of his contract, there was no chance the he would leave for free in a year (2 years left on contract), or worse still sign for your closest rivals for free (AGAIN) in just 6 months.
So not remotely comparable basically.
If he had 2 years left, most of us would agree that they should keep him unless they get a ridiculous fee. But we are logical and can put ourselves in the same situation as Dortmund now where a player has just 1 year left, it just wouldn't be worth turning down the money, or worse still, losing him for free to our biggest rival.
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Maybe Bayern are interested but you came to an agreement on Hummels only?
See I'm not ITK when it comes to Dortmund and their transfer strategy, but I'm fairly sure If Dortmund had decided to only sell 2 players this summer earlier, Gundogan and Hummels were going to be the selected 2 regardless of how quickly Woodward moved for Mkhitariyan. Like you said, if you look at what Watzke said, he clearly mentions that he didn't have a prior agreement with Miki that he could leave regardless of whether he signed a new contract or not. So I'd assume both Gundogan and Hummels had a verbal agreement that they could leave.
Secondly, with regards to getting the money Dortmund want, asking for around €50m or even €40m surely isn't realistic for a a player with only a year left on his contract? I mean Miki was class this season, but he's at best a €45/50m signing even with more years left on his contract. As you'd have to factor in his age as at 27, in say 3 years time he'd have little sell back value. Even if we were to compare with De Bruyne who City overpaid for, De Bruyne, who had a longer contract and had just turned 24 after having a similar season to what Miki just had (De Bruyne: 10 goals, 21 assists vs Miki: 11 goals, 20 assists in Bundesliga). £25m to £30m seems a very fair fee surely?
Yes United are. Simply because of the endless pit of money, and the pull of the league plus the history of the club.
Going by that logic Bayern isn't a powerhouse either. You are in a glorified one-horse league that needs to have a discussion about adjusting the time when their matches are played in order to get viewers, so it won't collide with PL matches. This is simply due to your league being totally uninteresting compared to the PL. Also if Real or Barca really want one of your players, they take them. Simple as.
So climb down from your high and mighty horse.
Did Bayern ever take a player from us like we did we Hargreaves?
Embarrassing the high horse their fans have jumped on in the past few years. Even their biggest fuxking legend knew United was a powerhouse and in his own words, the only club he would want to join after Bayern.
Show some respect Bayern fella.
No they didn't. They are in no position to bully a player from us, like admittedly Barca and Real could do if they wanted to.
Steamroll the BL and win some CL's and suddenly they think they are Barca and Real.
If Dortmund are going to dig their heels in then I'd like for us to turn our attention to Mahrez. I expect €40-50m would give Leicester something to think about. Then next season we can get Mkhitariyan for free, or not at all depending on our needs. Part of me admires the stance of forcing a player to stay when they are publicly making a fuss, but the other part of me thinks it's ultimately going to hurt Dortmund. That sort of money isn't trivial, it could buy Dortmund a couple very good players, especially as their scouting network has a knack for unearthing great players for modest fees.
If the player really is that keen to leave then if I were in charge at Dortmund I would rethink my stance about keeping him. It's not about being a feeder club and giving in to the mighty elite clubs, it's more about being pragmatic and doing the sensible thing for the long-term. Besides, I really don't see Mkhitariyan being the difference between Dortmund finishing 2nd and Dortmund winning the league.
If the player really is that keen to leave then if I were in charge at Dortmund I would rethink my stance about keeping him. It's not about being a feeder club and giving in to the mighty elite clubs, it's more about being pragmatic and doing the sensible thing for the long-term. Besides, I really don't see Mkhitariyan being the difference between Dortmund finishing 2nd and Dortmund winning the league.
Is he fast?
Let's not forget that they are the only big league club that seems to get fed talent by the number two club on their own league, ridiculous.
Every bloody season they strengthen themselves and weaken the number two at the same time, the most pathetic situation I've ever seen in a big league.
There is a reason no one gives a toss about the BL while broadcasters pay ridiculous sums and jizz themselves silly over broadcasting even the "lesser" matches in the PL.
Outside of the Bayern - Dortmund match, who outside Germany even watches the BL? I dont think we even televise it in Scandinavia, and we've had the PL since 1969.
Pretty sure you have the wrong Dortmund player in terms of PotY.
To replace the likes of Robben & Ribery I believe Bayern will be looking at a much more proven top class forward.
With Hummels it was nearly the same like now with Micki: Watzke said, give us 40 mio € or he wont leave. There was no aggreemant with Hummels like "you can go". If Bayern would have said "we only pay 30 mio €", he would be still at our club.
To the other points: We dont mind what is Mickis worth for United, back value , de Bruyne or something else. Thats not our buisness, this is something United has to decide, how much they are able or want to pay. They have to convince us to let him leave.
Point number 1 is Woodward is not manager and Mourinho is. Perhaps Mourinho was assessing other targets as Miki wasn't clear about his intentions and who he wanted to join. All the noise was for Arsenal and rather than chase a player who perhaps wanted to join Arsenal we looked at other players.
Point 2 is Mourinho has been in the job 3 weeks and is still discovering his surroundings and who he has available at the club. The first week he was in charge he had prior engagements. You say that we should have been after him some months ago, LVG was in charge and he may not have even figured into the plans. Woodward is not a director of football and as such he acts on the instructions of the current United manager.
Your comments do intimate your a WUM by attacking Woodward and questioning his intelligence. This is the guy that has delivered a World record deal with Adidas and also maintained our other sponsorship deals with clubs and increased our worldwide appeal, all this with the team struggling in the league.
For sure @slig, you are bang on there.
But Dortmund also have to decide if they want to push it so far that they risk United leaving it and him then joining Bayern for free.
And make no mistake, Bayern will attempt to sign him, their transfer policy is to weaken you and make the league as easy as piss.
It's a sad situation. No one wants to see a one-sided league, but unfortunately that's become the case in France and Germany. To outsiders it makes the league rather dull. Say what you want about the quality of the premier league teams compared to Barcelona, Real, Madrid, and Bayern, but the unpredictability and competitiveness is something I absolutely love about our league.
At least 3 teams can win in Spain to be fair. The BL was on track to become an interesting league up until Dortmund started selling or giving players away to Bayern.
Sad indeed cause Germany is the best place to watch football, I love it.
Why are you so "fixed" on "otherwise to Bayern for free"? He could also join your club for free. Dont get it. Raiola said he wants to join United, thats even the Thread-title. ?!
Teams who are not interested in these ridiculous fees you claim Dortmund demands will become interested when he is available on a free
And you are not convinced that he would still choose United? Hmm.
@slig For a 27 year old who is already playing the BL Bayern is the more logical choice.
- No acclimatizing to a new league
- Bigger chance for trophies in the next 3-5 years (for a 27 year old that is important)
- Already knows the language
- No acclimatizing to a new league
- Bigger chance for trophies in the next 3-5 years (for a 27 year old that is important)
- Already knows the language
Because there is no chance Dortmund will sell to Bayern now after the Hummels sale, so it appears his current number one choice is United.
I highly doubt United will wait a year, Mourinho wants to build a team now.
So... that opens up massive risk of Bayern. And surely you have realised that Bayern's transfer strategy is to weaken Dortmund? Has been since you became a threat to them again and they have swatted you like a fly since with this stategy. Instead of having to share league titles with you, they now walk the BL.
How on Earth have you not noticed that strategy? And how can you not realise that any top players Bayern can take from you, they will... Especially on a fuxking free.
Needs change. We might sign that young winger from France and not need him for example. Coman may have a difficult season and Bayern through him money we aren't prepared to. We may sign Pogba and have no space for him. Bale might want to return to England.
All of a sudden if United drop out and his only other suitor is Arsenal would Bayern not think he's worth a go?
De Gea wanted Madrid badly last season but turned them down this. Things change.
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