And how exactly did you come up with that? That's just stupid. If you just extrapolate their revenue based on this time's growth - that's not a "trend", that's just faulty math.
Henrikh Mkhitaryan | BVB confirm transfer
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You could possibly achieve a lot more with better transfer planning and strategy. Selling players who do not want to be part of your club and are on their last year of contracts makes sense, both in terms of finances and on pitch performances. Those millions gained can be spent rebuilding the squad.
The quality of the team went down too, which is what Dortmund's strategy tries to avoid. Just for information, Hummels has been sold for more money than Dembélé, Weigl, Castro and Mor put together. And they used Hummels until the last minute.
I skimmed over the 2 most recent posts and this thread is beyond dull....yawn
Well, the deal looks dead as it seems Dortmund are adamant they don't want to sell, so unless it's just posturing then this thread will continue to be dull.
It's June 16th, there is plenty of time.
Well in 14-15 Atletico had 105m in wages while Dortmund had 118m, so Atletico is on lower wages their portion of wages compared to income is much higher though, with 60% versus 42 at Dortmund, but Atletico is also has much better profit margin(7% versus 1-2%), so they things even themselves out i think, in a general picture. Then Atletico transfer expenses are 35m a year (but that's dirty), that amortization charge. Dortmund's is 33m. So on that evidence i don't really see how Atletico "buys big". It's more of a case of Atletico's revenue being much less because of the various stuff and so to stay as competitive they must count every penny and use their assets, namely players to the max. While Dortmund employs simply a more lax approach.
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First of all those numbers are wrong, secondly Atletico are spending more with much less turnover, so either they are financing this through debt, or they have a sugar daddy (didn't a Chinese guy buy shares?) or your numbers are entirely wrong.
First of all those numbers are wrong, secondly Atletico are spending more with much less turnover, so either they are financing this through debt, or they have a sugar daddy (didn't a Chinese guy buy shares?) or your numbers are entirely wrong.
Does my memory serve correctly to say Dortmund sold Kagawa with a year left on his contract? Surely there will be more examples of Dortmund selling to balance books or pay for other targets?
Well, if they are indeed wrong, you can correct them. Saying there are wrong and not offering the right ones is simply stupid. I just checked them against data, they look correct ones.
As for Atletico's stuff, there are many things. One of them being overhead, Dortmund is way-way higher, it is tied with them having higher income. I mean you can't generate income without expenses really. Atletico is much more football "oriented" in that way. And they can't really be financing with debt while having higher profit margin now can they. Atletico had 13m net profit last year, in 14-15 i mean since 15-16 data is some way off. And before that they never had any significant losses, actually they have been pretty much a break-even club in the last 4-5 years.
Unfortunately for Dortmund all the time bayern look unbeatable players will want too leave. I wonder if ancelotti can keep it up this year though.
http://aktie.bvb.de/eng
€104m in wages and salaries, but afaik that number is for every single person employed by the club, so the first team wages are significantly lower than that.
I thought as much.
I've used the group overall salary, with social contribution, cause it's equivalent to the number i used for Atletico, that only gives a staff expense for the whole group with first team, youth and admin mixed in and their pension stuff.
This thread has gone to shit with petty squabbling, it's barely even about the player over the last few p;ages.
Times reporting that Mkhitaryan is confident of a move to us despite BVB not wanting to sell him.
Because we will surely offer 30-34m in the next weeks -> Everyone is then happy
Hopefully, good price for Dortmund and a great player for United.
There's nothing they can do about it till the time they are in a financial situation to match the wages being offered to their players from other clubs. Unless they have someone like Reus who stayed even though he had better offers, they will lose players. It's the same for any club really. Spurs kept Kane because he wants to be there for now. If that wasn't the case, he'd be gone. For any tier x club, if a club from tier x+1 comes along with a hugely getter financial package for your player, you're fecked unless the player wants to stay out of love for the club. Btw, Dortmund no longer have any release clauses in player contracts. Back then, they were not in a financial state to pay wages good enough for release clause free contracts. Over time, it will be the same for contract renewals as well as they'll have the funds to bump wages every couple of years. Even then though, it will be a while before they can come close the the Uniteds and Reals of this world when it comes to wages.
So will Jose use him as a right forward or a #10 if he comes?
By all accounts, hard working right sided attacker. i.e. his Willian.
But Henrikhs versatility might mean we see him tried at 10 throughout the season. Especially if we don't sign another winger/#10.
Is he a dribbler? I can't say I've watched anything other than YouTube videos on him but it seems he's not.
I haven't seen enough of him either Freak
My opinion is similar to yours though. Not going to beat 2-3 players with an amazing dribble (though he's no slouch either), but rather, through intelligent movement, passing and link up play.
I like the idea of this signing. Mkhi seems to have the qualities to improve as an attacking unit.
But if we are considering him for the right wing, I have a question for the ones who have watched him regularly. Does he tend to avoid going to the right by-line. From whatever I have seen of him, despite of him being a right footer, when he has a choice to take the ball to the wing or come inside, he always goes inside. Is that a weakness in his game? It would be great to have an all round winger who can go outside or come inside while playing on the wings(a la in-form Nani). So is Mkhi an all round winger on the right or a bit one-dimensional(still awesome) on the right wing?
But if we are considering him for the right wing, I have a question for the ones who have watched him regularly. Does he tend to avoid going to the right by-line. From whatever I have seen of him, despite of him being a right footer, when he has a choice to take the ball to the wing or come inside, he always goes inside. Is that a weakness in his game? It would be great to have an all round winger who can go outside or come inside while playing on the wings(a la in-form Nani). So is Mkhi an all round winger on the right or a bit one-dimensional(still awesome) on the right wing?
Is he better then the other overrated signing we got from there? The one who couldn't dribble, pass or do anything useful
I think he is a more direct player than Shinji. That makes his success less dependent on the system deployed by the team he is playing in. Obviously the system played by BVB has had an impact on his stats and performances in the last 3 seasons, but the dependency is a lot lesser than it was in Shinji's case.
The same(Shinj's case) can be said about Goetze and Mata.
I heard after we submitted a 30 million euros bid Borussia Dortmund replied with "Are you taking the Mhik?"
Apparantly jose texted players including mata that they will get a chance under him. I dont see the point of having him and mata.
"He wants to United. Still trying to sort things out"
Which maybe means in Raiola language, "there has to be a higher fee"
That's good actually, first of all we have a very thin squad, secondly we hardly have a lot of old players except Carrick and Bastian that needs to move on, so Jose can use this year giving everybody a chance, and then cutting the squad next year, although he had 6 months to examine the squad, so i think he will cut loose some players.
I don't want us to sign him because I don't want to have to learn how to spell his name.
Also isn't he slow as a bag of bricks with cannon balls attached to them?
No.
What?
Are you a Utd fan? because everybody agreed last season we had very few numbers up top and in defence which prompted us to play Rashford, Jackson, Varela, Mensah etc. The state of our squad right now without any transfers is, we have One striker i repeat one striker that is Rashford, Martial and Rooney can play there but Martial plays on the LW wing and Rooney in a three man midfield, and except this we have Lingard and Mata as our attacking options.
Similarly at the back we have actually Smalling, Jones , Rojo and Mcnair as actual CB's from which Jones and Rojo are constant sick notes and Mcnair is a little shit so LVG started with Blind at the back and as we had no options at times brought on Fosu Mensah
He is a brilliant player. If we can integrate him, like at Dortmund or Donezk, we would have a top player on our hands here. It may take a while, but once he gains confidence, he could dominate the league.
God knows what the 'King of the transfer market' (his words not mine) is thinking. He's the old school Union shop steward type of agent, who wouldn't mind burning the place to the ground (metaphorically speaking) to get what he wants. If he can engineer a deal for Ibra to move from Juventus to their arch enemies Inter in Juve's worst moment in their club history then he can push any sort of deal. However rest assured that it may become messy.
If "orchestrate" means that he explains united that below 40mio € the bvb doesnt even start talking, than maybe there will be a way. If not, he can rant like he want and we will be laughing about his little "iam the man" shit
Wilson, Memphis, Pereira, Januzaj, Young?
Also we've just signed a new defender in Bailly and also have Blind...
If anything it's just refreshing to know that even without the lure of the CL and our fall from grace the past few years, top players are still super eager to join us.
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