Sky Sports reporting we enquired for him but were told he's not for sale
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Sky Sports reporting we enquired for him but were told he's not for sale
Yes. We agreed hes very good, but quite mentally fragile. We may have had a bid rejected. We all hate dortmund because they're small time and only bow to bayern.
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I'm not convinced by him in truth. He seems to be the kind of player who when everything is going well is excellent, but has a very weak mentality when things aren't going perfectly. Moving to a new league he's bound to struggle at some point and he looks like the kind who's head would drop and he'd have to be mollycoddled into getting better performances out of him. I also question whether he'd be able to handle the pressure at a bigger club. The Germans may jump on this comment saying Dortmund are in the CL next season and better at the moment, but there is still a huge gap between a club who expect to finish second or third vs a club who expect to win.
You look at how he performed 14/15 when things weren't going well for Dortmund and I think that illustrates my point. Also even a quick glance at his statistics seem to suggest he is exceptionally up and down. This combined with the fact that the majority of ex-Dortmund player's seem underwhelm when at bigger clubs (Gotze, Kagawa, Sahin) makes me concerned.
We had a similar player in Nani who was excellent when things were going well, but who struggled when things weren't. We shipped him out for a few £m, so I'm not sure why we'd spend £30m on Mkhitaryan. Who knows though - maybe Jose feels he can bring the best out of him (if that's the case I'd tend to trust the manager).
You look at how he performed 14/15 when things weren't going well for Dortmund and I think that illustrates my point. Also even a quick glance at his statistics seem to suggest he is exceptionally up and down. This combined with the fact that the majority of ex-Dortmund player's seem underwhelm when at bigger clubs (Gotze, Kagawa, Sahin) makes me concerned.
We had a similar player in Nani who was excellent when things were going well, but who struggled when things weren't. We shipped him out for a few £m, so I'm not sure why we'd spend £30m on Mkhitaryan. Who knows though - maybe Jose feels he can bring the best out of him (if that's the case I'd tend to trust the manager).
So why stop at £60m? If he's the right player why not go up to £100m? Because there is such a thing as market value and that's determined by many factors, one of which is remaining contract length and what other players have gone for. Hummels being the perfect example, Bayern paid a fee that accounts also for the fact that they're Dortmund's biggest rivals, we're not, a "fair" price for him should be one that takes away that premium.
Well the only way we change that reputation is by being firm and only paying relatively fair market prices going forward. I would rather our club saved money by not overpaying for transfers. Money that could be spent elsewhere, maybe even cut ticket prices for fans, invest in the club etc.
We probably couldn't find someone else for less but nor should his contract situation not reflect in his price.
We shouldnt be hagglimg over a few millions. We need to bring him in for pre season, just offer 25-30m, Jose wants him and he fits him too.
They're happy to sell their best players to some of our rivals but as soon as we get involved they no longer want to sell their players.
okay.
okay.They are Bayern's feeder club, they have to ask 'em before gonna sell a player...
I don't think it's anything personal against United. They either want more money or they don't want to sell anymore players this summer. Either way it's fair enough. We should have acted quicker before they sold Hummels and Gundogan.
Thanks for the update!
It is strange how they seem to prefer selling to Bayern. I dont get it but its their funeral. Only question is to ask how you are today?
Is the critical bit. When you want a player and know the parent club is likely to lose 3 of that level in one window, be the one to get the first or at best the second because they'll always fight tooth and nail not to lose all of them.
I don't think us being Dortmund's rival played a big role for Hummels' transfer fee, it's more the fact that we needed a new CB and Hummels meets all the requirements. He is a top class defender, German and home-grown, and in today's market, with the competition we probably faced (at least City is in for a new CB as well), it is pretty hard to find someone like that.
I actually believe that there has been a deal between Dortmund and Bayern regarding the fees of the Hummels and Rode transfers – both players went for about €5m too much. And even though €33m is still much for a player with 1 year left on his contract I think it's a fair price.
His contract situation should be used as an haggling tool but it shouldn't be a determining point. If he is the best option we should pay what he is worth in normal circumstances.
Miki was far better than Hummes in the previous season. He's also less injury prone.
Say that again after they sell Auba in a months time. Stop blaming the club on how we approach transfers. LVG said it before he left, we see a player.. We enquire.. Next thing you know that player is £20m more expensive or not for sale. It might be a nice negotiation tactic but at the end of the day we can't continuously get ripped off. We won't survive as a business. We need around 5 players this summer. We have to spend wisely.
But he's not Neymar.. He's not even RVP. We might as well pay the normal fee for Reus then.
The normal fee for Reus won't be 35m€-40m€ and he is injury prone.
I know but he's a better player. People on here will only end up moaning if we pay over the odds and he does not live up to the price.
Considering the season he had, 30 million pounds is a good price. It's hard to sign a better player for that money.
Also Reus normal fee would be double the price quoted for mkhi.
But that's the point 35m/40m isn't over the odds, it's exactly his worth.
@slig
I promise I'll stop comparing you to Anchan, may the Admins rest his blessed little mind, once you stop discrediting anything Bayern related whenever given the chance. Deal?
I promise I'll stop comparing you to Anchan, may the Admins rest his blessed little mind, once you stop discrediting anything Bayern related whenever given the chance. Deal?
Apart from being quick and two footed, anything else? Pedro's at his best when he is making runs in behind, Mkhitaryan's very high defensive stats suggest he's at his best running all over the gaff. Maybe more like Willian with a lot better stats.
Quite tired. First baby was born on saturday
Then they're idiots. In a world where a very unproven martial costs 30 million, i would say this guy is worth as much. Remember, martial had only shown small glimpses before we bought him.
I think that he is like Mkhitaryan.
I think so too, but Bugshot seems to want to make comparisons.
It's one of the rare players who doesn't have a real equivalent, a little bit like Hamsik.
Thats all fine and agree and if we league winners we could say no on the point of principle but we are playing catchup and our need to buy is greater then theirs to sell. Name a player with simular ability that we could get cheaper. The only reason they 'may' sell him is that he is in the last year of his contract and that give some negotiation power. That is the same with ddg last season.
I think it's a little naive to think they will cut season ticket prices by not spuffing loads on transfer fee's . The only thing that will get them to cut that is not enough bums on seats.
Hes a player I would like to see in the PL
That's the kind of thinking that has got us into this mess.
Also, you say there is a premium for being Bayern Munchen, well, there is a premium for being Manchester United. They know we are loaded, and they'll demand the players worth in full from us. Your stance only works if there are equal quality for a better price elsewhere - which there doesn't seem likely to be.
We have to compensate for the fact that Dortmund make it a policy to not lose more than two key players a season.
Permission granted.
Worldclass fairweather player, he is. His first two seasons were underwhelming, until Tuchel finally made him click. Can't see him thrive under a do-or-die Manager like Mourinho.
If Dortmund are clever, they will just drive up his price a bit more, and ship him over to you guys. You have lotsa cash that needs proper burning, and Dortmund need room in their squad for all the promising signings they have already made.
After all, guys like Dembele need to be regular starters. Ribery and Robben don't get younger, so we need our feeds to arrive as mature as possible. Win-win-win, if you ask me.
Not surprised they said no IF we only offered £20m - that's Troy Deeney level (now). Put a market rate bid in and we might get a different answer.
He won't be worth as much as Martial as Martial's price was reflective of Monaco's hype in him. It was a very good deal as we basically said we believe you but will only pay you if he reaches his potential. So I wouldn't use him as an example. You want to use an example then I would mention RVP which we paid a premium for because he was off our rivals and considering his age. If you want to compare it to a German league player going abroad then look at Toni Kroos. His value should be €25 to €30 max.. I am happy with that anything over is us being ripped off regardless of what we would have to pay if he had more years on his contract.
Troy Deeney doesn't have a year left on his contract and plays in England. Further more is Troy Deeney worth £20m? NO.
The manner in which both carry the ball, the types of passes they make in the final thrid, both drift in early, the layoffs.
If he's on the field for Chelsea with Pedro's kit on, It'll be difficult for me to tell them apart.
Yeah that's a good point, looking at his past stats he's been performing pretty well for a while.
Last season we scored 49 goals in the PL, horrible stats if you ask me. One of the first things Mou does is to address this problem and search for players who can improve our scoring ability.
United eight top scorers/ass 2015/16 in the PL
Martial 19(2) games 11 goals 4 ass
Rooney 27(1) games 8 goals 6 ass
Rashford 11 games 5 goals 2 ass
Lingard 19(6) games 4 goals 1 ass
Mata 34(4) games 6 goals 5 ass
Herrera 17(10) games 3 goals 2 ass
Fellaini 12(6) games 1 goal 0 ass
Young 11(7) games 1 goal 2 ass
Total 39 goals and 20 ass. Absolutely terrible numbers.
Eventually new players coming to United and their stats in their respective domestic league 2015/16
Ibrahimovic 29(2) games 38 goals 13 ass
Mhkitaryan 28(3) games 11 goals 15 ass
If both of them cost €35-45m in fees and increase our wage bill with 350-400k/week without taking into concideration outgoing players then this must be labeled excellent biz by Moun'Woo.
All of you who are against Mhiki and Zlatan find me two better options for a limited fee inside above numbers. In my world this is Mou creating gold out of beach sand. Apart from these two gems the only other attacking player who really attracts me, apart from non realistic targets, is either Mané or Marhez. Both insanely good and would fit perfect into out new attacking line with Mhiki behind.
United eight top scorers/ass 2015/16 in the PL
Martial 19(2) games 11 goals 4 ass
Rooney 27(1) games 8 goals 6 ass
Rashford 11 games 5 goals 2 ass
Lingard 19(6) games 4 goals 1 ass
Mata 34(4) games 6 goals 5 ass
Herrera 17(10) games 3 goals 2 ass
Fellaini 12(6) games 1 goal 0 ass
Young 11(7) games 1 goal 2 ass
Total 39 goals and 20 ass. Absolutely terrible numbers.
Eventually new players coming to United and their stats in their respective domestic league 2015/16
Ibrahimovic 29(2) games 38 goals 13 ass
Mhkitaryan 28(3) games 11 goals 15 ass
If both of them cost €35-45m in fees and increase our wage bill with 350-400k/week without taking into concideration outgoing players then this must be labeled excellent biz by Moun'Woo.
All of you who are against Mhiki and Zlatan find me two better options for a limited fee inside above numbers. In my world this is Mou creating gold out of beach sand. Apart from these two gems the only other attacking player who really attracts me, apart from non realistic targets, is either Mané or Marhez. Both insanely good and would fit perfect into out new attacking line with Mhiki behind.
Hmm, if this is the condition, i have to say no.
Ok, i wont discrediting Bayern whenever a chance is given, but sometimes the truth has to be said.
@7even
Didn't Dortmund say they're making Mhkitaryan see out his contract?
Didn't Dortmund say they're making Mhkitaryan see out his contract?
Clubs say a lot of things.
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