I think BVB is just holding out for a higher price. I know he's running out of time on contract but they paid £25m for him and I'm sure they will let him go at £30m.
Henrikh Mkhitaryan | BVB confirm transfer
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I always wondered if Watzke was actually a secret agent for Bayern. Either that or his balls permanently belong to their directors.
HIGHER!
@Sphaero seen your posts but do still expect him to leave?
He is definitely going to leave. He said he wont extend his contract so its a matter of when and not if. Its either this summer or latest by the next.
Can't see tweets. Please what's the gist?
Says we failed with a £19m bid, it's the mirror though
I meant if he expects him to leave this summer.
Cheers.
Typical isn't it, Gundogan and Hummels leave without any problems but when United come calling Dortmund dig their heels in.
I hope Woody dont go and do something silly like pay £35m our thereabout for a guy in his last year of contract.
Then it is better to wait until next season, sign him on a free and then terrorise Dortmund with tapping up all their players as a thank you.
Then it is better to wait until next season, sign him on a free and then terrorise Dortmund with tapping up all their players as a thank you.
I'm 90% sure we won't get him. Sorry guys but Dortmund don't need the money and have already sold Hummels and Gundogan, they will not sell him unless an inflated offer came in like £35 million.
Think this one is dead in the water, especially seeing Raiola's reaction. We will have to wait until next year.
EDIT: trouble is I don't think we can realistically get anyone better than him, we should have acted quicker.
Think this one is dead in the water, especially seeing Raiola's reaction. We will have to wait until next year.
EDIT: trouble is I don't think we can realistically get anyone better than him, we should have acted quicker.
Then come calling with a more acceptable sum than 24 Mil. €.
Exactly....If Jose wants him bad enough then he will be ours.... €30m should do it.
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This.
He is the best Bundesliga player of the last season, we need him and we have no reasons to let him go this summer.
But, if there is a serious offer from united, Watzke might think about.
But the offer has to be very high. United got money, they need him, they want to go back to a cl-spot, Micki got a contract, which all leaves us in the position to decide, we are stitting at the longer lever (you say that in english? if not whats a common phrase for it?)
I guarantee they're just quoting the 24m euros bid that was on that German paper yesterday. It's a non story really.
We just have to hope Dortmund see sense and I think they will.
Apologies for asking such a lazy question but can I ask how many of those who have watched him regularly know how good he actually is and to what extent he'd be a good fit at United? I remember reading a player we'd been linked with recently as a 'Liverpool-type' signing but could not remember if it was Mkhitaryan. Let's hope not. Either that or the person was talking nonsense!
Thanks in advance to all those willing to take the time to give some insight!
Thanks in advance to all those willing to take the time to give some insight!
I would say £25m is a fair offer for a guy on his last year, who do not want to sign a new contract. Think about it, you will be left with a player that doesn't want to play for you, and loose both him and £25m next year. With your quality scouting and abillity to sign players on a cheap I am sure you can take that £25m and find a good replacement pretty easily. Hell, you already got the quality replacement in Dembele which you signed for peanuts.
If the reports about his psyche is true then you dont want him being all depressed and in a shitty mood in the wardrobe. He will probably shit in several handbags as a protest.
The bid is rumoured to be 24m euros, which is £19m.
Last year of his contract like Gundogan, realistically how much do you expect to get for him? Surely not more than another £5m.
Yes, but I am sure Woody's next attempt will be about £25m, I reckon £30m is as far as we will go for a player we can sign on a pre-contract in January, and Dortmund probably knows it.
People saying Dortmund don't need the money, but 25-30 million is still a lot for them. The inflation of the prices has come due to the PL clubs being filthy rich, it's not as proportionate around the world. And they will get the CL spot (& money) even without him & the other sales, since they are clearly the #2 club by some margin.
I think like a Schneiderlin this will die down for a few weeks. Then we will try again before we go on tour.
Agreed. £25m is a very fair bid for a player with 1 year left on his contract. Dortmund may want £40m, but it's just downright not realistic. Especially considering it's not Gundogan's situation where he signed a new 1 year contract extension just to ensure Dortmund get a fee. Mkhitariyan if refused to be sold will likely leave for free.
I dont think they will be a clear #2 next season. Depends on if they can keep hold of Auba and sign good replacements for Hummels and Gundogan and for Mkhi if he leaves as well. Wolfsburg and Leverkusen will give them a run for their money.
What does this actually accomplish for United? United needs a quality winger right now and Mkhitaryan is argueably the best realistic target on the market. Your competition will certainly not get weaker over the Summer. To be honest, I´m far more confident that we qualify for the CL without Mkhitaryan (or replacement) than United doing so without a creative space creator in offensive midfield.
Gündogan is out with a knee injury until Fall and I would be very surprised if he is anywhere near normal form until Christmas. City payed us 26 Mil. € + bonus pyments for a player we might have used half a season.
I really doubt that they sell
The lowball offer is obviously to get the bidding started. This is how negotiations start.
If I want something which is worth $200 according to me, Ill first make a ridiculous offer like $50 which will be obviously rejected but will reduce the expectation and finally price will never end up exceeding $200. If we start with $200, they will reject that too expecting way more. No one accepts the first bid especially someone who doesn't need to sell
We did that with Torino last year for darmian.
If I want something which is worth $200 according to me, Ill first make a ridiculous offer like $50 which will be obviously rejected but will reduce the expectation and finally price will never end up exceeding $200. If we start with $200, they will reject that too expecting way more. No one accepts the first bid especially someone who doesn't need to sell
We did that with Torino last year for darmian.
We bid 25m euros for Mhiki.
What do you consider fair? As I wrote earlier, the far more constructive approach for Dortmund would be to press us up to 30m Euros or thereabout, and then find a replacement with time to spare in the transferwindow. I am sure that you can sign one of those shit hot players like Dahud or something with the Mhiki money and a bit from the Hummels transfer. You already got the RW covered with Dembele.
It certainly beats having Mhiki in a permanent menstrual mood around the dressingroom, and let him and 30m euros go for free.
If he would play in a shitty mood, i argue that wouldnt be good for him, for United, for Mourinho, cause then other players catch youre attention. We dont need the money, we need him to secure a CL-spot.
We did it with Lewandowski and this experience showed us that it a right decision. With him we secured a CL-spot which earns us money and the next future player.
Also dondt think that he will play shity in his last year. He and Tuchel understand each other well, why should a player play bad? We didnt forced him to sign his contract, you know what i mean?
Dont get why from one second to another everybody is hysterical about him. He plays for us since 3 years, his skills where obvious. Now we selled Hummels and Gündogan, Watzke said that for this summer its enough. And then Woodward or who else comes around the corner and noticed that Micki was the best player in he Bundesliga and wants him now. Maybe he should check his "scouting-skills".... or be quicker next time.
Now its upon us. And for a change in Watzkes mind you have to pay for.
Another thing offtopic: Please stop this arrogant shit calling me the guy who was banned. I wrote my points down, from the begining, that only a mega-offer will bring Micki this summer to United. Dozens of posts after that are about to calling me the guy who was banned, or were arrogant posts about Dortmund is e feeder club of Buy€rn. Stop this. I just want to share opinions with you, here from a perspective which is closer to Dortmund than the persepctive from a United-fan. This can give you another perspectives or inside-views from the other party. Thanks.
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We do it to every team before, they'll come back with a massive amount they want us to match and both teams eventually meet somewhere in the middle (unless the team is PSG who get whatever fee they want).
The same Wolfsburg where Rodriguez, Kruse and Gustavo are ready to jump ship in the Summer?
Leverkusen is our toughest competition but I´m honestly not that scared of them. If you take Mkhitaryan out of the team as it stands right now and add Guerreiro who undergoes the medical today in Paris, I still rate our team and especially squad a good deal stronger. Mkhitaryan is quite a loss, but not as big as it would be needed for Leverkusen to catch up.
@Sphaero on a side note, how is Leno doing this year with Leverkusen? Not followed them much apart from odd game here and there against Bayern and Dortmund.
Somewhere between 30 and 35 Mil. €, probably leaning closer to the second figure.
Awesome! Would love a fellow country man at United.
I wonder if that was our approach with Renato Sanches?
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