Henrikh Mkhitaryan | BVB confirm transfer

[NoLogo]

Football manager has a lot to answer for. Some people seem to think real life players are programmed to decline at 30.

In all fairness our fanbase has a bit of an obsession when it comes to youth development and young players, nothing to do with FM really. I remember the main complaint about bringing in Zlatan was that he would take game time away from Rashford.

Can't really say I find that obsession bad though. I like to see young players come into the club and do well, that's just the kind of excitement you don't get from a player who is already made. If anything there is just more of a chance that he won't fulfill his promise and end up being another Veron, Di Maria or Schweinsteiger.

 

[El-Manos]

Why would Martial even consider Dortmund as the next step in his career even if United agree to the exchange.

He wouldn't, your man with his ridiculous claims is just on his period and therefore delusional/frustrated.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

It really is a joke. A player is 27 and we are talking about getting 3 years out of him

Most frustrating thing on the caf at present, and completely bizarre.

 

[NoLogo]

Didn't Rojo do that.....

Did he try to force a move away from OT? Don't think so, he sulked because of Di Maria leaving and got punished by LvG for it. That being said I'm pretty sure Manchester United will be the furthest up he might ever get. Also unhappy players might just end up on suspension and not play at all anymore which might be an equal death sentence to their career or chance of a big club move. I don't think either side wants this to really escalated so we might see the same happening as with Lewa, Dortmund will pay him more money for his last year at the club, he will give his best and end up leaving on a free next season.

Too bad they don't want to bring Götze back, or he doesn't want to come back. Otherwise they could just use the money we pay for Mkhi to pay for Götze. Maybe things will change in that regard though if we make a good enough offer and Bayern are still intent of trying to force Götze out. We'll see how this ends but I'm not too optimistic after what Watzke said.

 

[Donut]

I firmly believe we didn't make an approach for Mkhitaryan or Saul and I'm absolutely certain we would never have made a move for Ibrahimovic.

Don't believe everything the paper tells you. Type any of those top Raiola clients into Google with 'arsenal' and you'll see we've been linked to every single one.

Then how do you explain Mikathyrian's sister following Arsenal on Instagram?

lol

 

[NoLogo]

They were ok selling Hummels to their bitter rivals, but have a problem selling him to a team who they are not going to face at any stage in the season ? (Except if Dortmund play in the EL)?

Like we have mentioned a few times. Watzke said there are only going to be 2 key players leaving in one season and those are already gone with Hummels and Gündogan, that's why they aren't considering selling him anymore. That's the only reason and not because they don't want to sell to us anymore.

 

[iammemphis]

yes and it would be a joke.

we received a record fee for hummels for only 365days of contract left.
gündogan was already away since 2 years (and he is injured).
unfortunatelly (for you) we got enough money, and wont let go 3 players in one window.
woodward had to have this idea some month ago...our board was talking about a new contract since month, and gündogan and hummels are already gone, so its like it is.

with micki its more likely that we will finish on a cl-spot, and that will get us money.
without him its less probable.

for a move it has to be massivly more than we would earn from another year cl.

from another forum, a quote that says it quite well:
Man Utd have their backs to the wall. Several extremely poor seasons in succession, a squad which does not meet their own requirements/claims (?) , only EL, to a new coach certainly not mediocre participates. and it is the richest club in the world.
They can spend. Let them see where they otherwise get another player. 50m € + or in exchange for Martial. Otherwise I would not do anything.

 

[kenny19]

I don't understand why they would rather sell aubamayeng to city who still have a long contract but would rather hold onto mickey who's contract is due in a year? They are definitely fishing for more money.

If I was a Dortmund fan right now I would be fuming. Another year of bayern just seamrooling through the league. The german FA is a disgrace for letting one team have so much dominance.

 

[NoLogo]

I firmly believe we didn't make an approach for Mkhitaryan or Saul and I'm absolutely certain we would never have made a move for Ibrahimovic.

Don't believe everything the paper tells you. Type any of those top Raiola clients into Google with 'arsenal' and you'll see we've been linked to every single one.

Actually Railoa, Mkhis agent, said that we have made an offer and that he wants to join us but Dortmund aren't willing to let him go anymore, which he is angry about because he claims they had the promise from Dortmund's officials that they would let him go if an official bid was made that was sufficient but Watzke denies such a promise exists.

 

[kenny19]

Like we have mentioned a few times. Watzke said there are only going to be 2 key players leaving in one season and those are already gone with Hummels and Gündogan, that's why they aren't considering selling him anymore. That's the only reason and not because they don't want to sell to us anymore.

Gundogan shouldn't be consisdered key when he was barely ever fit.

 

[NoLogo]

I don't understand why they would rather sell aubamayeng to city who still have a long contract but would rather hold onto mickey who's contract is due in a year? They are definitely fishing for more money.

If I was a Dortmund fan right now I would be fuming. Another year of bayern just seamrooling through the league. The german FA is a disgrace for letting one team have so much dominance.

They are not selling him to City. What makes you think that? Watzke saying they won't sell another key player this transfer window includes Aubameyang not being sold as well.

 

[AltiUn]

I hope this isn't just Raiola using our name to force Arsenal's hand, Mhkitaryan is a dream signing for us. Adding him and another CM and I'd have us down for title favourites.

 

[Norris]

Like we have mentioned a few times. Watzke said there are only going to be 2 key players leaving in one season and those are already gone with Hummels and Gündogan, that's why they aren't considering selling him anymore. That's the only reason and not because they don't want to sell to us anymore.

Ok, I see. But they've got in Dembele now right ? I know they won't play him right away, but what would be the point of them allowing his contract to run down ?
a) They're not going to get the best out of him.
b) They can use that money to bring in another replacement as well.

It's not like United will skimp on the transfer fees either. If it's a reasonable amount they ask, United will happily do business with them. Both Dortmund and United have had some good history of late.

 

[NoLogo]

Gundogan shouldn't be consisdered key when he was barely ever fit.

Well tell that to Watzke, he somehow disagrees with you and since he is running Dortmund I guess that's what matters. He litterlay said that after the sale of Hummels and Gündogan, specifically mentioned these two, there won't be any other key players sold this summer.

 

[The Purist]

Then how do you explain Mikathyrian's sister following Arsenal on Instagram?

lol

Complete non-factor. She is her own person who works for UEFA.

(Just seen the white text, ya bastard. )

Actually Railoa, Mkhis agent, said that we have made an offer and that he wants to join us but Dortmund aren't willing to let him go anymore, which he is angry about because he claims they had the promise from Dortmund's officials that they would let him go if an official bid was made that was sufficient but Watzke denies such a promise exists.

I know that, mate.

 

[Kant-ona]

No. Nearly everyone has said it.

Am I the only one who is not reading the full thread before posting?

 

[Powderfinger]

I firmly believe we didn't make an approach for Mkhitaryan or Saul and I'm absolutely certain we would never have made a move for Ibrahimovic.

Don't believe everything the paper tells you. Type any of those top Raiola clients into Google with 'arsenal' and you'll see we've been linked to every single one.

I don't think we were in for Saul but I tend to believe we have been in talks with Mkhitaryan. My guess is that Wenger views Mkhitaryan as a luxury signing - its not a position of truly great need for us (like CF and, pre-Xhaka, CM) and he probably likes the idea of keeping RW open for some revolving door of Wilshere, Ramsey, Ox, and Iwobi. As the case of Schneiderlin showed last summer, when Arsenal and United both pursue a player, it is hard for us to compete on wages and we are likely to lose out. We can do it very selectively but we won't do it for squad players (like Schneiderlin) or for players not deemed vital. Mkhitaryan probably falls into this latter category given our other options and our greater needs elsewhere.

 

[Geordopolous]

So what do the regulars think of him ? I feel a little underwhelmed honestly, but if we got both Embolo and him, I'd be ok seeing as there really are not too many options on players who can play wide right. He doesn't strike to me as a Mourinho type player though.

What does that mean!? Honestly what does that even mean!! Everyone seems to say it.. And don't say a hard worker because literally every manager wants their players to work hard. Such an odd phrase that gets said in every transfer thread

 

[Adisa]

Why not? They said not more than two key players to leave in a transfer window, which is a reasonable stance to take from the clubs perspective. The team could very well fall apart and they might have a bad season if they let too many of their experienced players go. The only way it would really be a scumbag move is if they had really given their promise to Mkhitaryan and his camp that he could leave this summer if they get a good enough offer, which is something that Watzke denies to have ever given so it's their word against his.

So either they are doing a Lewandowski here or they give in to their players demands and let him just go, which of course would send a bad signal to the remaining key-players like Aubameyang and Reus. So Dortmund is a bid in a bad spot here, their project atm is threatening to completely fall apart and I can understand why they will probably fight hard to prevent that from happening.

If the club were going to force someone to stay, you'd expect it to be about stopping their captain going to their biggest rival.

 

[NoLogo]

a) They're not going to get the best out of him.

Very well a possibility and hopefully one they want to avoid.

b) They can use that money to bring in another replacement as well.

The thing with replacements though is that Dortmund can't really buy the players that would immediately get them back the level of performance they are getting from their key players right now, even if we pay them 30M € for him. So they would probably have to invest in someone less known and hope the gamble pays off as fast as possible. So I can somewhat understand why they are reluctant to sell another key player. I mean look at Hummels and Gündogan leaving non of them has been replaced with an equally strong player, all Dortmund managed so far is bring in talented youngesters and a player who wasn't good enough for Bayern.

 

[Skills]

Is there going to be a Raiola vs Mendes showdown? Is there any club at the moment, with players from both of them?

 

[kenny19]

Well tell that to Watzke, he somehow disagrees with you and since he is running Dortmund I guess that's what matters. He litterlay said that after the sale of Hummels and Gündogan, specifically mentioned these two, there won't be any other key players sold this summer.

Only time will tell. Many clubs have made similar statement but fail to keep to their word. IF we want mkhitaryan we will get him. He has a year left and I doubt they are willing to let him go for free like Lewandowski. At the end of the day its all down to how much money we are willing to cough up.

 

[NoLogo]

If the club were going to force someone to stay, you'd expect it to be about stopping their captain going to their biggest rival.

They might have if we managed to snatch up Mkhi before Hummels was sold.

 

[iKnowNothing]

If I was a Dortmund fan right now I would be fuming. Another year of bayern just seamrooling through the league. The german FA is a disgrace for letting one team have so much dominance.

Genuine question - what powers does the German FA (or any other FA for that matter) have to avoid their league becoming a one team league?

 

[snk123]

What does that mean!? Honestly what does that even mean!! Everyone seems to say it.. And don't say a hard worker because literally every manager wants their players to work hard. Such an odd phrase that gets said in every transfer thread

How is it an odd phrase? Every manager has an eye for certain type of players they use more in their teams.

Blind is a Van Gaal type player - smart, excellent in possession, plays safe. Bastian similarly.
Mourinho likes brute force more - strong players who'd want to get stuck in and win the ball, try hard, have great stamina.

 

[prath92]

Is there going to be a Raiola vs Mendes showdown? Is there any club at the moment, with players from both of them?

Before zlatan left, PSG had di Maria who was mendes

Edit- raoila represents van der wiel and matuidi too

 

[NoLogo]

Only time will tell. Many clubs have made similar statement but fail to keep to their word. IF we want mkhitaryan we will get him. He has a year left and I doubt they are willing to let him go for free like Lewandowski. At the end of the day its all down to how much money we are willing to cough up.

Yes I'm sure Dortmund has a pain threshold where they can't really consider keeping him from a financial perspective but that might very well be way above 40M €. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[NotQuiteManc]

Leading assist maker in the Bundesliga last season with 15 assists plus he scored 11 goals. No brainer for me and he looks like a premier league player. He'd actually fill probably our biggest need to. We haven't been a.)Creating enough or b.)Scoring enough.

Plus his supposed multiskills would add that unpredictability to the team and hopefully making them more dangerous upfront rather than having oppo marking Martial out of the game.

 

[Adisa]

Bayern paid €35 for Hummels. It will take a similar bid.

 

[ChaddyP]

Bayern paid €35 for Hummels. It will take a similar bid.

I'm ok with this

 

[Norris]

The thing with replacements though is that Dortmund can't really buy the players that would immediately get them back the level of performance they are getting from their key players right now, even if we pay them 30M € for him. So they would probably have to invest in someone less known and hope the gamble pays off as fast as possible. So I can somewhat understand why they are reluctant to sell another key player. I mean look at Hummels and Gündogan leaving non of them has been replaced with an equally strong player, all Dortmund managed so far is bring in talented youngesters and a player who wasn't good enough for Bayern.

Yes, I understand that, but hasn't that been their model for years now ? Whenever they lose a "Key Player", they bring in someone with potential who they think can do the job. Auba for Lewy, I don't remember the exact players, but they brought in replacements for Goetze, Sahin (Well, the first time), Kagawa (Again the first time) as well. Tuchel might have a different approach, but it's not him deciding the transfers is it ? It's their DoF who has brought in more successful players than one's who seemed like flops. And if I am not mistaken, Mhkitaryan was seen as a flop after his first season as well.

What does that mean!? Honestly what does that even mean!! Everyone seems to say it.. And don't say a hard worker because literally every manager wants their players to work hard. Such an odd phrase that gets said in every transfer thread

It essentially depends on how Mou wants us to play really. At Madrid he had a very attack minded team, one that was capable in possession and that was devastating on the counter as well. At Chelsea, he focussed more on being defensively organized and proficient on the counter. If he wants to play an exclusively Counter attacking style, he would be a good addition, but if he's looking more at the Madrid style of play, I see him struggling. From what I've seen of him, I think he would struggle unless he has space in front of him to manouvre. There are also other things, but essentially the tactics was what I was referring to.

 

[RDCR07]

Whats Marco Reus been up to these days? Surprised he hasnt been linked with a move away from Dortmund this summer.

 

[kenny19]

Genuine question - what powers does the German FA (or any other FA for that matter) have to avoid their league becoming a one team league?

Do whatever the English do to ensure teams like west ham, Southampton and leicester can actually achieve. Anything to ensure Bayern isn't three times the team the next club is. Italy too is slowly becoming another league that can't divide the power across all its teams. Juventus is becoming the next bayern if they already aren't. I don't have all the answer because I am only a an armchair football manager.

 

[RedorDead21]

In terms of goals and assists last season in Germany how does he rank overall?

 

[Kostur]

Whats Marco Reus been up to these days? Surprised he hasnt been linked with a move away from Dortmund this summer.

Constantly injured, newest reports say he's out till end of the year. He's a permacrock, do not want.

 

[cyberman]

Is there going to be a Raiola vs Mendes showdown? Is there any club at the moment, with players from both of them?

Raiola isn't even a super agent. I have no idea why people are lumping him in with Mendes.
He has what? 4 players on his books that you can name? Plus theyre all long term clients as well.

 

[P-Nut]

Only way to stop a league becoming a one team league is the distribution of prize and TV money. Nothing else they can do really

 

[Von Mistelroum]

Bayern paid €35 for Hummels. It will take a similar bid.

Seems reasonable. I have more than that on me right now

Seriously though, I'd say about £25m would be a great price for us

 

[Obiorahking_]

Stats per whoscored( Bundesliga only)
Minutes: 2578
Goals: 11
Assists: 15
99 minutes per direct involvement on goal

Right Midfield
1412 Minutes(15.6 full games)
7 goals
8 assists
94 minutes per direct involvement on goal

Has only featured twice as an AMC

 

[Baxter]

Constantly injured, newest reports say he's out till end of the year. He's a permacrock, do not want.

Dortmund said that was untrue and he should be back around mid August. He's still pretty injury prone to be fair though.