Is Rooney good enough to push him to the right?
Henrikh Mkhitaryan | BVB confirm transfer
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Mkhitaryan is a much better #10. Unfortunately, I expect Mourinho to give Rooney a go there regardless because of his name.
Yeah. The problem I have is that this guy really needs to be given a free reign from what I can tell. Freedom to operate across the forward line as he deems fit.
Not sure if it's a must. At Dortmund, they do it because their frontline is very fluid, all 3 of them keep moving around.
He been fantastic this season for Dortmund. He's also absolutely perfect for the Mourinho's system. Not a surprise that we are in for him, a bargain at 30m Euros.
When José Mourinho was at Dortmund match with his assistant Rui last season.
So we're doing business with Raiola now? Maybe our Mendes relationship broke after the Renato Sanches scandal, so could be we're shifting to Raiola
or we are just targetting players which we think are good inspite of the agents?
Okay. Thanks for reply. I bet you have better knowledge than me. Mine is minimal. I just have this fear of bringing guys in to play them in roles they don't particularly fancy too much, or not getting the best of them. I watched a segment on beinsport in which they showed alot of his great goals and assists and basically saying he's a genius. And I have to say, he's pretty bloody good going by that. He mostly came from the middle or left. Sometimes inside right, but I'd say less common. Hopefully he comes and gets 20 odd goals/assists from the right!
Yeah, he's very versatile, can play any of the 3 attacking positions to a very high level. With Martial on the left though, it leaves 2 positions. Ideally, I'd like to see him down the middle but he'd be every bit as good coming in from the right.
I think someone mentioned concerns about Dortmund making players look better than they are because of their fantastic system and that's a concern I would share. Also, sphaero had made a post about his mental strength in terms of needing to be given confidence boosts and an arm around the shoulder to get the best out of him. Hope he doesn't get overawed here because of the change and also because he would no longer be that big a fish and would have an entirely new setup and manager to get used too. Guy is quality though, no doubt. Probably best suited for Arsenal among the PL clubs
Possibly. Still I find the lack of Mendes clients being linked with us amusing which concides with us being linked to Raiola's clients- Pogba, Zlatan and Mkhitariyan
Thanks.Yeah, he's very versatile, can play any of the 3 attacking positions to a very high level. With Martial on the left though, it leaves 2 positions. Ideally, I'd like to see him down the middle but he'd be every bit as good coming in from the right.
I think someone mentioned concerns about Dortmund making players look better than they are because of their fantastic system and that's a concern I would share. Also, sphaero had made a post about his mental strength in terms of needing to be given confidence boosts and an arm around the shoulder to get the best out of him. Hope he doesn't get overawed here because of the change and also because he would no longer be that big a fish and would have an entirely new setup and manager to get used too. Guy is quality though, no doubt. Probably best suited for Arsenal among the PL clubs
At the price being reported, absolute steal. His stats speak for themselves. Brilliant player and would inject that bit of creativity and trickery we have been lacking. Wouldnt be suprised if Arsenal tries to hijack the deal.
I would like to think we are in for him. He has the ability to do well for us from my viewing of him. Of course he might turn out like Kagawa and not settle but you take that chance with all players. Maybe we're being linked to get a deal for another club concluded. He strikes me as a "typical" serie a player with his technical ability. I could see him at Roma or Lazio personally. And also a Wenger signing. As with Janssen and a 100 other players it's possible our name is being used to screw more money out of buyers. If mkhatariyan does leave (with Hummels and Gundogan) Aubameyang and Reus are gonna be knocking at the chairmans door asking what's happening.
Pogba is not happening anyways. Other 2 are just opportunistic signings. Zlatan available on free and another good player available for relatively cheaper price (we are not the only club, I believe this is to put pressure on other clubs to improve their over).
We are linked with Andre Gomes, James who are mendes client. Apart from that we aren't linked with any player at all.
Not sure about Jose's record of signing mendes clients though.
His versatility probably comes from the fact that he is equally comfortable using both his feet. Anti-valencia!
I have nothing to back it up, but he seems to be a mourinho player to me rather than a wenger player. I expect mourinho to get the best out of him, if he indeed ends up joining United.I think someone mentioned concerns about Dortmund making players look better than they are because of their fantastic system and that's a concern I would share. Also, sphaero had made a post about his mental strength in terms of needing to be given confidence boosts and an arm around the shoulder to get the best out of him. Hope he doesn't get overawed here because of the change and also because he would no longer be that big a fish and would have an entirely new setup and manager to get used too. Guy is quality though, no doubt. Probably best suited for Arsenal among the PL clubs
#FreeMkhitaryan
Mkhitaryan is a 10 and requires pacey players ahead of him who have the ability and inclination to run beyond the center backs. IMO that's the scenario that gives him more space to operate in and gets the best out of him (which he has at Dortmund) . I don't see how we will solve our RW with him. Moreover, having Ibra in the same 11 as Mkhitaryan and Rooney will not work IMO.
He's a steal at the price being mentioned and is a typical Mourinho signing. But I'm sure he's not a signing for the RW position.
He's a steal at the price being mentioned and is a typical Mourinho signing. But I'm sure he's not a signing for the RW position.
I said in another thread Zlatan would be fine up top as our #9 with Rooney in behind so long as the wings were supplemented with overwhelming pace and dynamism. I had a 4-3-3 in mind with extremely aggressive wide-men in it when I said that.
As good as Mkhitarayan is, i'm not sure he's the best fit for a team with Zlatan in it unless we're going to put another clever, pacy runner in as the fourth attacker in combination with the aforementioned, Martial and Micki. That man is most definitely not Rooney, so there's a problem here just looking at it on paper.
Mkhitarayan thrives in chaos, cross-positional interchanges and rapid breaks from multiple players - his #9 needs to be really dynamic, and that's why he combines so well with Auba at Dortmund. Zlatan is not going to do the running or moving in the same manner, but he will lay balls off constantly for others to run on to, but that puts more pressure on Micki to take on a large portion of the goalscoring duties directly, which I've my doubts he's mentally equipped to handle. He's a brilliant player in combination with others, but he isn't the first name you think of when considering players who thrive in pressure situations or with the demands of a team on his back ala Martial, or even Rashford.
If Zlatan is a given, and Mkhitarayan is coming, the better set-up for us would be:
-----------------------Rashford
----Martial-------------Zlatan-------------Mkhitarayan
or:
----------------------------Zlatan
----Martial-------------Mkhitarayan-------------????
Neither of those involve Rooney, which makes neither of them realistic unless Rooney is going to be used as a proper #8 in midfield.
He's a really, really good player, but not one I immediately think of when it comes to our team.
As good as Mkhitarayan is, i'm not sure he's the best fit for a team with Zlatan in it unless we're going to put another clever, pacy runner in as the fourth attacker in combination with the aforementioned, Martial and Micki. That man is most definitely not Rooney, so there's a problem here just looking at it on paper.
Mkhitarayan thrives in chaos, cross-positional interchanges and rapid breaks from multiple players - his #9 needs to be really dynamic, and that's why he combines so well with Auba at Dortmund. Zlatan is not going to do the running or moving in the same manner, but he will lay balls off constantly for others to run on to, but that puts more pressure on Micki to take on a large portion of the goalscoring duties directly, which I've my doubts he's mentally equipped to handle. He's a brilliant player in combination with others, but he isn't the first name you think of when considering players who thrive in pressure situations or with the demands of a team on his back ala Martial, or even Rashford.
If Zlatan is a given, and Mkhitarayan is coming, the better set-up for us would be:
-----------------------Rashford
----Martial-------------Zlatan-------------Mkhitarayan
or:
----------------------------Zlatan
----Martial-------------Mkhitarayan-------------????
Neither of those involve Rooney, which makes neither of them realistic unless Rooney is going to be used as a proper #8 in midfield.
He's a really, really good player, but not one I immediately think of when it comes to our team.
Maybe Mourinho intends to continue using Rooney in the deeper role so we could bring Mkhitryan and use him as a 10..
I get the feeling that the 'idea' is for Rooney to play in the one of the two deeper midfield roles, rather than one of the more attacking positions. That can definitely change as we see how things work out, but I think that's how we will start.
Or perhaps I should say - I think that is Rooney's idea. No idea what Mourinho's plans are.
Or perhaps I should say - I think that is Rooney's idea. No idea what Mourinho's plans are.
I was hoping we would be in for him, as he seems like very good value for the price being thrown around.
I agree that he is at his best with a dynamic forward line, and that might not be the case if we are signing Zlatan. But i have faith that if Jose wants him, then he must have an idea about how to best utilize him.
I agree that he is at his best with a dynamic forward line, and that might not be the case if we are signing Zlatan. But i have faith that if Jose wants him, then he must have an idea about how to best utilize him.
According to whoscored he was most effective from the right forward position for Dortmund last year.
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/28421/Show/Henrikh-Mkhitaryan
And that he is hugely versatile positionally.
@Sphaero
What's the skinny?
Now BBC is reporting too that we want him and he prefers United over Arsenal. Time to get hype?
We don't deal with super agents apart from the times that we do.
That's some policy right there.
Yeah I agree, but when I watched him in games. Especially when Dortmund played 3-5-2 , he was shown on the formations as RW or RF but he played centrally for most of the game. Maybe one has to look at his heatmap against the good teams in the bundesliga and against spurs and pool to confirm this.
Source??
Great player, so happy to have him here, he'll be a star.
Didn't want him anyway, don't think he'll be able to hack it in the PL, Arsenal are welcome to him.
There, I'm covered.
Didn't want him anyway, don't think he'll be able to hack it in the PL, Arsenal are welcome to him.
There, I'm covered.
Only if Dortmund let him go...
http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/36413676
Third news item from the top(at the time of posting)
Btw are you also on Sanc?
I'm not afraid to screenshot on snapchat and I'm not afraid to do it here
Please get him. Would be perfect on the right for Mou and a good balance for Martial on the left. Also great as a 10 so can play there at times.
He wants a United move, perfect. I love players that want to play for us.
Bullshit. Where was this before the breaking news last night?
Rehashed nonsense with nothing new to add. I'll bet any amount of money he's just out of bed and thought he needs to tweet something early
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/653915/artikel_bvb-machtwort_mkhitaryan-muss-bleiben.html#omsmtwkicker
Watzke saying Mkhytaryan will leave next year as a free agent.
Watzke saying Mkhytaryan will leave next year as a free agent.
Everybody allegedly wants a United move, most of them for leverage in negotations with the clubs they're actually interested in.
I don't see the point in them keeping him a year and then let him go free.
1. Miss out on roughly £20m
2. Put up with a very demotivated player for the season
3. Lose the chance to spend that cash and/or intergrate his replacement properly
Surely it's just negotiating tactics? Any Dortmund fans on here reckon you'll keep him against his will?
1. Miss out on roughly £20m
2. Put up with a very demotivated player for the season
3. Lose the chance to spend that cash and/or intergrate his replacement properly
Surely it's just negotiating tactics? Any Dortmund fans on here reckon you'll keep him against his will?
This is happening.
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