F1 2021 Season

0le said:
The problem is that there may be a situation where the leader goes round the track and there is still a queue of cars on the grid. It would probably work best if the cars had to leave from the pit stop one by one after a certain time has passed (the time they previously had). No work on the cars allowed.
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That’s a good point on cars still being on the grid.
 
fishfingers15 said:
I sat through the Schumacher barrichello years too and I think this is a great season and this race is a great advert for F1. My guess is this thread is largely not reflecting the opinion of F1 by fans and public.

Think a lot of Brits are feeling hard done by hamilton s loss. Some of the moaning has been bizzare to me. Hamilton has been pushed to the limit this season and he is a champion. He will be back stronger next year and I can't personally wait for round 2 of this next year
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Nah, their figures have been down for years on the trot and won't be recovered by this kind of thing. The manufactured same points showdown was a great advert, the build up was, but this is potentially going to drag them through the courts and be a huge PR mess if they don't come up with something quick.

And it depends what you mean by "some" of the moaning. Because there's always going to be that about anything. This particular incident is an entirely new situation. It's not about the drivers and who did what, that's been taken completely out of it for me. I dislike them both, I was just hoping to be entertained and I was and still am, so for me it's great. But for the integrity of the sport, this is farcical and should be taken seriously.

It comes down to if people are happy for sports to change rules on the fly to suit the entertainment or not I guess. If you or anyone else is, then that's perfectly fine. Ditto for the opposite. Doesn't really matter anyway though, as they'll bury it by getting rid of Masi. And to be honest, I don't see a better way as I don't personally think Max should be stripped of the title (and he won't be anyway) as it's not his fault.
 
Hephaestus said:
Been posted multiple times here but the rules don't seem to allow for just a handful of lapped cars being let through, it's either all or none and the rules make it very clear that the safety car can only come in the lap after the last lapped car goes past it - in this case that would end the race with Hamilton winning the race and the title. So Masi basically just t hrew the rules out of the window cos he wanted excitement.
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Holy shit :lol:
 
rpitroda said:
Genuine question though, the whole concept of a safety car should be looked at, I think? Personally I would ban all pit stops during a safety car (unless your car is damaged as a direct result of the cause of the safety car), and following a safety car, cars should line up in single file on the grid with cars going one by one with the original gaps between them reinstated. This allowed the bunching of cars to clear the track, but also maintains the fairness of where the cars were. This is a genuine thought, not just cos of what happened today, so I would actually like to hear if there is anything which makes this unfair? The only thing I can think of is cars sitting idle with cold tyres for a long time if they’re toward the end which is a valid issue, but potentially could be overcome by some other suggestion.
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Agree with this really.
 
Fact they’ve not dismissed both at the same time suggests that there’s something in the second.
 
Certain they will reject the 2nd one as well, there's no way they're throwing Masi under the bus tonight, it will go to CAS.
 
duffer said:
I know slightly more than nothing about the rules of F1 but if there was a 10 second gap between the two drivers when the pace car came out, why not just have it so they restart 10 seconds apart?
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They need to bunch the cars to give the stewards time to clean the track.

Getting all cars back into their time gaps is virtually impossible though as the distances and speeds are so variable. If you put them back in the exact positions and gave them a standing start, it wouldn’t reflect the time distances as some cars would have been accelerating and some decelerating.
 
Sports organisations have a shit habit of doubling down on their mistakes so they’ll probably just reject any form of Mercedes protest.
 
rpitroda said:
Genuine question though, the whole concept of a safety car should be looked at, I think? Personally I would ban all pit stops during a safety car (unless your car is damaged as a direct result of the cause of the safety car), and following a safety car, cars should line up in single file on the grid with cars going one by one with the original gaps between them reinstated. This allowed the bunching of cars to clear the track, but also maintains the fairness of where the cars were. This is a genuine thought, not just cos of what happened today, so I would actually like to hear if there is anything which makes this unfair? The only thing I can think of is cars sitting idle with cold tyres for a long time if they’re toward the end which is a valid issue, but potentially could be overcome by some other suggestion.
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it’s an interesting concept but i just don’t see how they could give red bull an advantage under those circumstances.
 
One Night Only said:
This thread is fire today.
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Slevs said:
First of all, :lol: at all the Hamilton fanboys throwing their toys out of the pram in here.

What's the issue with the lapped cars being allowed to pass? I think its always been like that when under safety cars, no?
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I think you need to check again how many cars were allowed to unlap themselves.
 
senorgregster said:
They were never winning that one. Its the other one that is the issue.
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I know but they could take that one which is a rule that Red Bull couldn't contest because it happened and it would get them out of a court case.
I don't expect them to do it but it's the only way it doesn't go to court.
 
Redlambs said:
So you clearly have no idea what you are talking about? Cool, glad we got this one sorted!


@ArjenIsM3 this guy is making a late run for your spot mate! ;)
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I'm going to do a Mercedes here and KO him on a technicality: the last race has ended so the season is over. Anything that happens after that should have no bearing on the results. I win. Get rekt. @Jerch
hellhunter said:
I think @ArjenIsM3 is too well behaved and not wummy enough for that title anyway. Just a bit deluded :p
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Cnut. The title is mine.
 
At the start of the race I was thinking how Max could just drive into Lewis and force them both to withdraw and then he would win on a count back.

I didn’t think it possible that there could be a more contentious way for Max to win, but alas.
 
Slevs said:
First of all, :lol: at all the Hamilton fanboys throwing their toys out of the pram in here.

What's the issue with the lapped cars being allowed to pass? I think its always been like that when under safety cars, no?
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There is no issue with letting ALL the cars onlapping , but thats not what happened, it was only the cars between Lewis and Max
 
Swedish_Plumber said:
Sports organisations have a shit habit of doubling down on their mistakes so they’ll probably just reject any form of Mercedes protest.
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At which point merc should decide that with 1 day before the next championship they withdraw cars and engines from mclaren Williams and Aston... take the fine and commit to formula e

Do the right thing or get feked and merc have the financial power to finish f1
 
rpitroda said:
Genuine question though, the whole concept of a safety car should be looked at, I think? Personally I would ban all pit stops during a safety car (unless your car is damaged as a direct result of the cause of the safety car), and following a safety car, cars should line up in single file on the grid with cars going one by one with the original gaps between them reinstated. This allowed the bunching of cars to clear the track, but also maintains the fairness of where the cars were. This is a genuine thought, not just cos of what happened today, so I would actually like to hear if there is anything which makes this unfair? The only thing I can think of is cars sitting idle with cold tyres for a long time if they’re toward the end which is a valid issue, but potentially could be overcome by some other suggestion.
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I would go the other way and say it's a red flag rather than a safety car if you can't use a VSC. They could then restart in exactly the way you've described, keeping the gaps from before the stop. The problem with not allowing pit stops is that somebody may be due to come in and are running for 7 or 8 laps on tyres that have 0 laps in them, before running another hot lap and pitting.

It's a difficult one though as allowing any work done is going to disadvantage someone, but safety has to come first. Maybe a 20 second penalty and reorder the grid based on that for the restart if you change tyres during the red flag?
 
Pexbo said:
They need to bunch the cars to give the stewards time to clean the track.

Getting all cars back into their time gaps is virtually impossible though as the distances and speeds are so variable. If you put them back in the exact positions and gave them a standing start, it wouldn’t reflect the time distances as some cars would have been accelerating and some decelerating.
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Just take whatever the difference was off of their finishing time. Simples.

Completely wiping away any advantage you earned over 50 odd laps because someone else crashed is bonkers to my uneducated mind.
 
BluesJr said:
Can someone briefly explain what’s happened today? I know nothing about F1 but this controversy has hyped me.
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Hamilton was miles in the lead due to win the race and championship. With 5 laps to go (I think) there was a crash which lead to a safety car. Verstappen pitted for fresh tyres while Hamilton was on old worn out tyres that are much slower but he couldn't afford to pit as it would have lost him the race lead. Behind the safety car there was 4 (or 3 i cant remember) lapped cars between Hamilton and Verstappen. These cars only were told to overtake the safety car to put Verstappen behind Hamilton. The controversy is that only these 4 cars were told to move and none of the other lapped cars were told to do the same when the rules state that either all lapped cars must do it or none. So basically the rules were changed to provide an entertaining last lap spectacle which Hamilton was extremely disadvantaged in because of his tyres. So from being almost guaranteed the win Hamilton lost the race and the title due to this decision.

There is more to it and its a very messy situation but basically Hamilton was dominating the whole race and lost it due to the stewards decision making.
 
Balljy said:
I would go the other way and say it's a red flag rather than a safety car if you can't use a VSC. They could then restart in exactly the way you've described, keeping the gaps from before the stop. The problem with not allowing pit stops is that somebody may be due to come in and are running for 7 or 8 laps on tyres that have 0 laps in them, before running another hot lap and pitting.

It's a difficult one though as allowing any work done is going to disadvantage someone, but safety has to come first. Maybe a 20 second penalty and reorder the grid based on that for the restart if you change tyres during the red flag?
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Yeah, all valid issues. I absolutely am of the view the whole thing needs a rethink, just not sure what the right answer would be.
 
FriedClams said:
At the start of the race I was thinking how Max could just drive into Lewis and force them both to withdraw and then he would win on a count back.

I didn’t think it possible that there could be a more contentious way for Max to win, but alas.
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no matter what is decided, it’s not going to fix what happened today. it’s like this old family saying we have, “you can’t unfeck the turkey, rimaldo, christmas is ruined.”
 
Correct decision on the first one. Even if he ‘overtook’ Lewis, then the place was given back immediately
 
My “stand back” view is that the just result is Hamilton winning. For elements completely not in his control, he went from sailing to a 10 second win to getting beaten out. I know that’s not how you can apply the rules, and I know that anything could have happened in the remaining part of the race if there was no SC at all, but that’s my overriding thought on what’s just.
 
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