F1 2021 Season

Can't imagine they can declare a new winner based in the official not adherence to rules. Otherwise it would be predicting the future I.e what would have happened theoretically.
 
I think they need to sever that link between the team bosses and the race director while a race is ongoing. Serves no purpose.

Or make the race directorship more like a panel of 3 people so there's hopefully less ability to pressurise.
 
FreakyJim said:
Safety car should’ve been in earlier anyway. I was surprised they even let them race for 1 lap. I thought they’d finish under SC.
Priceless seeing that ass Wolff raging around.
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It was unsafe to let the other cars unlap themselves according to Masi as people were still on the track so how should it have been in earlier?
 
Buster15 said:
So you don't believe in free speech then.
I asked why, because whether I agree or disagree, people are entitled to express their views on an open forum.
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Ok, let’s be clear then, the suggestion that the events today had anything to do with race or Lewis’s support of LGBTQ is utterly disgusting and shameful.
 
Igor Drefljak said:
Problem is. To strip max of it would be unfair on the basis he did nothing wrong.
He raced to instructions. Whether right or wrong.

So many variables could have happened. Hamilton could have spun, Max could have gotten past the back markers and took Hamilton out. We don't know. All we do know is who crossed the line first.

Either Max wins it or there needs to be another way
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See your problem with that statement is the lapped cars were allowed to pass, and therefore, the safety car should've ended at the finish line.
 
hobbers said:
I think they need to sever that link between the team bosses and the race director while a race is ongoing. Serves no purpose.

Or make the race directorship more like a panel of 3 people so there's hopefully less ability to pressurise.
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Both of these are good changes they should make.
 
The Firestarter said:
Can't imagine they can declare a new winner based in the official not adherence to rules. Otherwise it would be predicting the future I.e what would have happened theoretically.
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If they adhere to their own rules the race is over because it would have finished behind the SC (which has happened a fair few times).
 
hobbers said:
Imagine if they retrospectively give Max a 5 second penalty for the overtake, then Red Bull protest Hamilton's pass off track and he gets a retrospective 5 second penalty as well.

Obviously that's like the most farcical of all the possible outcomes. The lapped cars stuff is probably what's going to end up at CAS whichever way the FIA go.
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I don't think even that could be as farcical as what we got :lol:

Max will stay as champ, Masi leaves his post, all is forgotten by the start of next season.


Buster15 said:
So you don't believe in free speech then.
I asked why, because whether I agree or disagree, people are entitled to express their views on an open forum.
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No. You don't understand forums nor free speech if you think anything you've posted here is correct.
 
Toad said:
You have just got to look at Spa, gifting points to Verstappen. Then Jeddah with Verstappens reckless driving, now this. It’s a joke, I’m a fan of the sport an not an individual but in this case Hamilton has been well and truly robbed.
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Spa gifted points to everyone and robbed points from everyone. Max would have won the title finishing second today had Spa gone ahead and he won there from pole.

Also, Baku, Silverstone, Hungary.
 
Thanks all, I totally get bunching the cars up to clear the track as easily as possible, just seems mad to me that there there isn’t a better way to restart the race less unfairly on anyone holding any lead over those behind them.
 
The Firestarter said:
Can't imagine they can declare a new winner based in the official not adherence to rules. Otherwise it would be predicting the future I.e what would have happened theoretically.
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No, it would just be deeming the race illegitimate from the end of the 57th lap with the standings as they were which is exactly the result the SC leading them to the checkered flags would have been anyway.
 
One way out would be to invalidate the race due to the rules being incorrectly applied to leave Max the champion. Masi has made a right mess with this one, the FIA will know that if Mercedes take it to CAS they will probably win as the rules are pretty clear so they will want a decision without it going to court.
 
I was just thinking, if they conclude the race was not run in the confounds of the rules, and they therefore negate the result, surely Max ends up winning anyway?
 
Pexbo said:
No, it would just be deeming the race illegitimate from the end of the 57th lap with the standings as they were which is exactly the result the SC leading them to the checkered flags would have been anyway.
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Thats not how it works. You cant arbitraty select a finish point.
 
hobbers said:
Imagine if they retrospectively give Max a 5 second penalty for the overtake, then Red Bull protest Hamilton's pass off track and he gets a retrospective 5 second penalty as well.

Obviously that's like the most farcical of all the possible outcomes. The lapped cars stuff is probably what's going to end up at CAS whichever way the FIA go.
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Yeah my guess is there will be no action for the Verstappen safety car overtake and as a bitter Lewis fan I dont think there should be a penalty for that. It was miniscule and didn't really give Max any advantage. But the unlapping business will drag out I think.
 
First of all, :lol: at all the Hamilton fanboys throwing their toys out of the pram in here.

What's the issue with the lapped cars being allowed to pass? I think its always been like that when under safety cars, no?
 
Redlambs said:
:lol: If you aren't wumming, you are the most clueless poster in here.

Well, after a certain other one who's disgraced himself enough tonight that is. Though the mods could change the rules and give it to you I suppose!
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Ixion said:
He won by 2 seconds, just getting through those cars would have taken longer than that, and Lewis would have been off in the distance had he not immediately have to defend.
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1.st I'm not wumming but this place is so one sided that it is laughable. Basically Mercedes gambled that safety car will go till the end and gamble didn't payed of.
Imagine Ferrari taking things further because Glock forgot how to drive on the last lap of the season.
2. He made 2 seconds in last third of the race. I am not convinced if they wouldn't let those pass that Max wouldn't catch him and passed him. But this was not the case and it's unfair to take away a championship from Max who won it within the rules and directions FIA set up.
 
Mickeza said:
It was unsafe to let the other cars unlap themselves according to Masi as people were still on the track so how should it have been in earlier?
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Either all cars unlap themselves or none do. That is the rules and it's pretty straight forward. Masi just wanted a drag race finish. His decision puts the entire sport in disrepute as he changed the rules knowing it would change the result. You simply cannot do that in any sport.
 
hobbers said:
Imagine if they retrospectively give Max a 5 second penalty for the overtake, then Red Bull protest Hamilton's pass off track and he gets a retrospective 5 second penalty as well.

Obviously that's like the most farcical of all the possible outcomes. The lapped cars stuff is probably what's going to end up at CAS whichever way the FIA go.
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That's the perfect result for FIA.
 
There is something fundamentally wrong with a driver crashing because of his own error, which in turn brings out a safety car that takes away the advantage that the race leader had built up. Why aren’t the gaps frozen in place?
 
Slevs said:
First of all, :lol: at all the Hamilton fanboys throwing their toys out of the pram in here.

What's the issue with the lapped cars being allowed to pass? I think its always been like that when under safety cars, no?
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All or none, not just the amount that fits RB. Besides, one more SC lap after letting the lapped cars go, say the rules.
 
The Firestarter said:
Thats not true. There was one more lap, anything could have happened, SC or not.
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Incorrect. They allowed lapped cars to overtake on Lap 57, about 5 corners from home I might add. Their own rule book states this happens a lap before they are allowed to pass so the SC would have pulled in at the final corner of the final lap.
 
FriedClams said:
There is something fundamentally wrong with a driver crashing because of his own error, which in turn brings out a safety car that takes away the advantage that the race leader had built up. Why aren’t the gaps frozen in place?
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Agree with this. Its pretty stupid
 
hobbers said:
I think they need to sever that link between the team bosses and the race director while a race is ongoing. Serves no purpose.

Or make the race directorship more like a panel of 3 people so there's hopefully less ability to pressurise.
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I agree with this. As entertaining as it is to hear the bitching and moaning they are putting pressure on and trying to influence decisions. Obviously the stewards need to have contact with the bosses for safety and information updates but they shouldn't be allowed to get involved in decision making.
 
Redlambs said:
They are playing to the casuals, people like me these days (I used to watch ot all the time, but went off it). And it worked today as I enjoyed that.

Not sure how people can defend that's what they do though, it is clearly what they do and what happened there. They want us to watch more and they care about that over any kind of "sport" as it's what lines those pockets.

The 10second penalty last race set this showdown up, the Horner calls for a 1-lap shootout and they give it to him. It's all for the drama, all for the moneymen.

And for the record I don't think they even care who won, it wasn't fixed in favour of a particular team, it was fixed in favour of the people who pay the money.


Coultard just touched on that about the appeal. They just mentioned about what's good for TV vs what's good for the sport.
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I sat through the Schumacher barrichello years too and I think this is a great season and this race is a great advert for F1. My guess is this thread is largely not reflecting the opinion of F1 by fans and public.

Think a lot of Brits are feeling hard done by hamilton s loss. Some of the moaning has been bizzare to me. Hamilton has been pushed to the limit this season and he is a champion. He will be back stronger next year and I can't personally wait for round 2 of this next year
 
redshaw said:
Horner was on the radio pressuring him to let Max get back to second and he yeilded
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Toto was doing the same earlier too, to be fair. And the FIA should not be influenced by either team. Of course both teams are going to try and put the pressure on if they can
 
Jerch said:
1.st I'm not wumming but this place is so one sided that it is laughable. Basically Mercedes gambled that safety car will go till the end and gamble didn't payed of.
Imagine Ferrari taking things further because Glock forgot how to drive on the last lap of the season.
2. He made 2 seconds in last third of the race. I am not convinced if they wouldn't let those pass that Max wouldn't catch him and passed him. But this was not the case and it's unfair to take away a championship from Max who won it within the rules and directions FIA set up.
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So you clearly have no idea what you are talking about? Cool, glad we got this one sorted!


@ArjenIsM3 this guy is making a late run for your spot mate! ;)
 
Buster15 said:
So you don't believe in free speech then.
I asked why, because whether I agree or disagree, people are entitled to express their views on an open forum.
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There's free speech and there's free speech.

To connect the rationale for the race decision to them (allegedly) not liking some of Lewis' beliefs, is just silly
 
Slevs said:
First of all, :lol: at all the Hamilton fanboys throwing their toys out of the pram in here.

What's the issue with the lapped cars being allowed to pass? I think its always been like that when under safety cars, no?
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It’s not that they were allowed to pass. It’s that the rules were not followed. No disrespect, but a fact that quite clearly would have easily been found throughout this thread or any new outlet.

But anyway, specifically:
1) Only some lapped cars were allowed through, not all (unprecedented)
2) That the safety car came in on the lap they were let through, when the rules state it is required to be the next lap (also unprecedented)
 
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