Ah right, all three of them. The FIA is 100% correct according to Ziggo Sports pundit Jos Verstappen. Never heard of him, but he seems impartial.
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Where were the cars not allowed through in the queue? Could that have had any part in their decision?
The trouble is, can they conclusively prove either allowing all of them through, or not allowing any through would have any baring on the result. Would Max have still reeled in Lewis if the cars weren't got out his way
Why can't they have let the cars un lap themselves a lap earlier, then have the final lap racing
I think Mercedes should have pit Lewis when Max had his 2nd stop, then he'd have had slightly newer tyres and perhaps would have held Max off
The trouble is, can they conclusively prove either allowing all of them through, or not allowing any through would have any baring on the result. Would Max have still reeled in Lewis if the cars weren't got out his way
Why can't they have let the cars un lap themselves a lap earlier, then have the final lap racing
I think Mercedes should have pit Lewis when Max had his 2nd stop, then he'd have had slightly newer tyres and perhaps would have held Max off
Been posted multiple times here but the rules don't seem to allow for just a handful of lapped cars being let through, it's either all or none and the rules make it very clear that the safety car can only come in the lap after the last lapped car goes past it - in this case that would end the race with Hamilton winning the race and the title. So Masi basically just t hrew the rules out of the window cos he wanted excitement.First of all,at all the Hamilton fanboys throwing their toys out of the pram in here.
What's the issue with the lapped cars being allowed to pass? I think its always been like that when under safety cars, no?
My god. I had go leave the house immediately after the race was done, so I've missed the post-race fallout. My heart nearly fell out of my arse on that final lap, but honestly was a sitting duck the second they made that decision. He stood no chance against Max's soft tyres. The championship was decided there and then. Asterisk in the history books.
Sky are saying we should have a decision in the next 30 minutes
The issue is only some were allowed to pass. Only those between Lewis and Max. I'm unclear if the SC should have gone an extra lap per rules also. Someone else can chime in there.First of all,
What's the issue with the lapped cars being allowed to pass? I think its always been like that when under safety cars, no?
This comment is rendered completely void by the fact the lapped cars were allowed to pass, so the race should've finished behind the safety car therefore Lewis would've won.
I just don't see them doing anything that changes the WC outcome. But I can see Merc going and going with this.
I think @ArjenIsM3 is too well behaved and not wummy enough for that title anyway. Just a bit deludedSo you clearly have no idea what you are talking about? Cool, glad we got this one sorted!
@ArjenIsM3 this guy is making a late run for your spot mate!
Yeh this is the thing I don’t understand either as a novice. Seems mad you can lose a massive advantage just due to bad luck that must happen quite often.
Barely a normal defeat was it. It was a rule breaking farce.
I don't see anything other than making Merc go to CAS. Surely they can't overturn their own error.
Merc will 100% go to CAS if it doesn't go their way.
Stewards' verdict expected tonight
The latest from Sky Sports News' Craig Slater in Abu Dhabi
"My understanding is we should get a verdict here from the stewards here tonight within the next half an hour.
"I think there is an understanding that this needs to be done tonight after the race was held. It's bad enough that it's dragging on several hours after the race concluded so that should come pretty soon.
"The question is what happens after that. There is an appeals process if Mercedes or Red Bull are not happy with the decision. The loser in this case has the option to go to the FIA's Court of Appeal - but there's a cut-off for that and it's quite soon as well.
"Thursday is the FIA Prize Giving ceremony and any appeal would have to be heard and decided upon by Thursday because there is no recourse after the trophy has been handed over to the world champion."
The latest from Sky Sports News' Craig Slater in Abu Dhabi
"My understanding is we should get a verdict here from the stewards here tonight within the next half an hour.
"I think there is an understanding that this needs to be done tonight after the race was held. It's bad enough that it's dragging on several hours after the race concluded so that should come pretty soon.
"The question is what happens after that. There is an appeals process if Mercedes or Red Bull are not happy with the decision. The loser in this case has the option to go to the FIA's Court of Appeal - but there's a cut-off for that and it's quite soon as well.
"Thursday is the FIA Prize Giving ceremony and any appeal would have to be heard and decided upon by Thursday because there is no recourse after the trophy has been handed over to the world champion."
It's unfortunate. The virtual SC is better when it can be used.
And add they made a decision then had contact from Horner (allegedly) and changed the ruling
Literally zero chance they will do anything that could take the championship away from Max. The optics on that would be horrific. They will say the decision stands and accept that they will see Mercedes in court. It would be much better for the courts to hand the title to Hamilton* in a year or two than for FIA to today.
*They probably won’t even have the ability to do that, just award Hamilton compensation and confirm it was unjust.
Genuine question though, the whole concept of a safety car should be looked at, I think? Personally I would ban all pit stops during a safety car (unless your car is damaged as a direct result of the cause of the safety car), and following a safety car, cars should line up in single file on the grid with cars going one by one with the original gaps between them reinstated. This allowed the bunching of cars to clear the track, but also maintains the fairness of where the cars were. This is a genuine thought, not just cos of what happened today, so I would actually like to hear if there is anything which makes this unfair? The only thing I can think of is cars sitting idle with cold tyres for a long time if they’re toward the end which is a valid issue, but potentially could be overcome by some other suggestion.
Either way this is going to the court of sports arbitration.
Better to overturn it yourself tha get a few days before next season and the cas overturn it as merc withdraw taking engines from mclaren aston and Williams at the same time
They couldn't do the unlapping earlier as the track was not clear. Saftey first
I don't know the laws behind CAS but I didn't think individual sports rules overrode CAS process.
48.12 decision yet to be published.
I don't think the outcome should be changed. I think for once Max kept his nose clean today and didn't do anything wrong so it would be cruel to strip him of the title through the incompetence of others. The problem is there is so much injustice in the manner of the win. Its such a tricky situation.
However as a Hamilton fan I would love to see Max get penalised, Lewis get the title and this thread to rage on and on
Meh, I think that’s neither here or there. Race directors always moan, I’ve just come to accept that. Better they just remove that line of communication, but it’s just part and parcel of it at the moment just as footballers will lobby the ref.
That's the correct decision
I know slightly more than nothing about the rules of F1 but if there was a 10 second gap between the two drivers when the pace car came out, why not just have it so they restart 10 seconds apart?
Can someone briefly explain what’s happened today? I know nothing about F1 but this controversy has hyped me.
The main one still to come then yes?
Yes. That was never going to win tbh.
The fact that it all happened in like a 10 second period with Mercedes’ having no clue at all is such a bad look for f1. It was such a farce
That first one is the right call I think.
All those between Lewis and Max. Go figureWhat? They only allowed a few cars to lap?
The problem is that there may be a situation where the leader goes round the track and there is still a queue of cars on the grid. It would probably work best if the cars had to leave from the pit stop one by one after a certain time has passed (the time they previously had). No work on the cars allowed.
If they wanted to overturn it to stop them being taken to court they can give Max a penalty for passing Lewis behind the safety car. It isn't out of their control.