Matt Varnish
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They obviousy doubted him, it's well known that Tuchel turned them down.Right but they have no reason to do that, unless they doubted him in the first place?
They obviousy doubted him, it's well known that Tuchel turned them down.Right but they have no reason to do that, unless they doubted him in the first place?
No it isn't.They obviousy doubted him, it's well known that Tuchel turned them down.
Again, they didn't. You're just guesstimating.They had to "give him a go" because all their prospects turned the job down, what was once the most wanted job in world football has been turned into a joked because of a series of poor decisons by the previous structure, namely the Glazers, and relying on Ferguson to name "the chosen one" and him picking a coach firmly entrenched in the seventies as far as coaching goes.
No it isn't.
Its actually well known that the club and tuchel had conditions without compromise. He didn't turn us down any more than we did to him.
Of course if you pick up Bild and youl get the Tuchel narrative.
What makes you think you know better?Again, they didn't. You're just guesstimating.
Sorry, when did I say I think that? I'm telling you what was reported by tier one sources.What makes you think you know better?
It was widley reported by more than one source that his agents were approached, and Tuchel was consulted, it even got as far as discussing transfers, and that is where it failed, Tuchel wasn't happy with United's transfer policy.
Now whether that was because he wouldn't have the greater say in purchases or not, or even the budget, isn't known.
It may have been an excuse on Tuchels part, he may already have been approached by the FA for the England job, I'm not a believer in coincidences, Tuchel turns down United, then only a couple of months later accepts the England job, any manager who has basically won it all in Europe would only turn down United for the chance to manage a national side.
I don't follow the German press, why would I, I'm in England.Sorry, when did I say I think that? I'm telling you what was reported by tier one sources.
Tuchel wanted more control over transfers and we weren't willing to offer it (almost no big club does these days). That doesn't mean he rejected us any more than we rejected him. If we wanted him we'd have just said OK to those demands and signed him on (which our old regime did for managers time after time after time). This has been reported on Athletic affiliated podcasts.
The fact that Christian Falk has always did his twerking for the job saying he's open to the role tells you everything. The only outlets that you'll see driving some narrative that he rejected us and we threw everything at him would be German centric like Bild.
The consensus from the credible reporters, like those of Athletic, is that he wanted us and we liked him, the two parties spoke. Both had a difference on how the transfers should be run and neither budged.
And you saying every manager we spoke to turned us down is also a bit bollocks. Just a made up narrative.
The ramblings of a mad man.He said how good we've been the last few months...
No we are not. We are in month 4 of the INEOS project. Yes the manager is the same but literally everything else has changed. Execs, coaches, backroom support and some players too.Flick has taken 2 months to turn barca around, we are in year 3 of this project.
Trust the processFlick has taken 2 months to turn barca around, we are in year 3 of this project.
Are we going to say this for every game from now until he is sacked or wins something? There is no indication from the club or hierarchy that anything is imminent. It’s just media BS and fans wishful thinking.I think it’s game over for Ten hag if we lose tomorrow. I’m not even sure a draw saves him.
But the most important part and objective of the project is what happens on the pitch and it's dire stuff. No style or improvement.No we are not. We are in month 4 of the INEOS project. Yes the manager is the same but literally everything else has changed. Execs, coaches, backroom support and some players too.
No we are not. We are in month 4 of the INEOS project. Yes the manager is the same but literally everything else has changed. Execs, coaches, backroom support and some players too.
We’re definitely in year 3 of his project considering his tactics have not remotely evolved or changed and in fact actively making us worse. Besides even 4 months is a long time in football and most managers would be sacked the way he sets his teams up tactically and the results were getting. A clean slate for INEOS would have been to sack him, and start with a new manager.No we are not. We are in month 4 of the INEOS project. Yes the manager is the same but literally everything else has changed. Execs, coaches, backroom support and some players too.
Flick has taken 2 months to turn barca around, we are in year 3 of this project.
No, just no. Please just stop with this rhetoric. If you want to support the manager, by all means, but please don't make up stuff to try and absolve him of his failings.No we are not. We are in month 4 of the INEOS project. Yes the manager is the same but literally everything else has changed. Execs, coaches, backroom support and some players too.
What’s made up? We have a new CEO, a new DOF, a new TD, new recruitment guys, new assistants to the manager, new medical staff, some of whom have only been in the job a couple of months.No, just no. Please just stop with this rhetoric. If you want to support the manager, by all means, but please don't make up stuff to try and absolve him of his failings.
I didn’t know implementing coaching and tactics on the pitch require the change of executive and owners.No we are not. We are in month 4 of the INEOS project. Yes the manager is the same but literally everything else has changed. Execs, coaches, backroom support and some players too.
It does if they are reportedly the ones dictating the style of play.I didn’t know implementing coaching and tactics on the pitch require the change of executive and owners.
I have nothing off of which to base it except intuition. They’re seeing 3 straight draws in Europa and us languishing in the bottom half of the table. The reports of sounding out other managers have been picking up pace this week. Just seems to me things are reaching critical mass.Are we going to say this for every game from now until he is sacked or wins something? There is no indication from the club or hierarchy that anything is imminent. It’s just media BS and fans wishful thinking.
So why are we still so crap then?It does if they are reportedly the ones dictating the style of play.
Why would there be any indication from INEOS? They're so good at what they do, they'd never let a leak happen.Are we going to say this for every game from now until he is sacked or wins something? There is no indication from the club or hierarchy that anything is imminent. It’s just media BS and fans wishful thinking.
It’s confirmed, ETH officially has the cushiest job in football. Nothing is his responsibility, not even the first 26 months of his 29 months in charge. That’s 90% of his tenure. To casually write that off is something no big club would do. In fact, I don’t think an PL club views their Manager that way. It’s mind-boggling.No we are not. We are in month 4 of the INEOS project. Yes the manager is the same but literally everything else has changed. Execs, coaches, backroom support and some players too.
What has all that got to do with his on pitch performances? Our recruitment before and after the takeover has been pretty much aligned in getting ETH the players he wants. There's been no major change in direction. The new background structure will take a couple of years at least to show it's impact. And on-pitch tactics have nothing to do with.What’s made up? We have a new CEO, a new DOF, a new TD, new recruitment guys, new assistants to the manager, new medical staff, some of whom have only been in the job a couple of months.
It’s not rhetoric, it’s a statement of fact and nothing to do with supporting or absolving anyone.
It’s an important distinction to make, because in theory ten Hag is now properly supported and all his excuses have been taken away. He has been backed like never before in this club and now he needs to deliver or face the consequences.
It does if they are reportedly the ones dictating the style of play.
If he's ever sacked, it will be out of the blue.
Why would there be any indication from INEOS? They're so good at what they do, they'd never let a leak happen.
If he's ever sacked, it will be out of the blue.
To be fair, it's half a dozen Caftards at most who consistently back him still. Maybe even less.Do any other clubs have these weird fans that make so many excuses for their manager for performances on the pitch for stuff happening off it?
We'd find it hilarious if it was one of our rivals (well former rivals before Ten Hag dragged us to mid table) and they were blaming a change in CEO etc.
Sack the manager sack the board. Said it for a while but INEOS are worse than Glazers.
flick doesn’t come in and make us brilliant again at any point during the last 2.5 years. there’s been a load of shite in the team. man for man, we’re nowhere near this barcelona side. the real black mark against ten hag is that he’s spent a shit load, we’ve jettisoned pretty much everyone he’s asked us to, yet we’re still shit.So can we never hear it's a process again. Can we never hear it's a 3-year plan again? Can we never hear it's a rebuild that takes years, again.
Flick came in, and in 3 months has done what Hag can't do in 3 years and 600m spent.
All we need is good manager to make our team world class again now, not in 5 years . Enough of this United way crap.
Sack ETH asap
You don’t really believe that do you?Why would there be any indication from INEOS? They're so good at what they do, they'd never let a leak happen.
If he's ever sacked, it will be out of the blue.
Maybe we just aren’t that good any more?So why are we still so crap then?