I guess it probably wasn't originally but they can't exactly ignore the crisis that we're in.
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I guess it probably wasn't originally but they can't exactly ignore the crisis that we're in.
Yeah, what do people expect? White smoke from a chimney?
Any idea when this is?
I would assume that the club will have to start communicating with potential managers if they have decided on the sack, so him coming back from leave would delay that process.
It has to be this week
They could have decided to talk to replacements now and announce "EtH is sacked, this is the new manager" when that's done. EtH's vacation would be irrelevant in this scenario.
It sadly worked for keeping him here during the summer, so yes.
Thanks for putting your neck on the line!
I don't know how you discuss things for so long and don't come to the obvious conclusion. It's almost impressively bonkers to keep him now.
What would you do in Berrada and Sir Jim’s shoes?
Not sure what is so hard to understand.
- top replacements only available in the summer
- giving 8 months to an interim is too high of a risk, what if he fails spectacularly within 2 months?
- as worrying as the situation is, theoretically easier upcoming fixtures which could see us turn the situation around
- sacking is expensive
Rather waste this season in order to get a top top relpacement, than give it now to someone who doesn't guarantee better outcome
- top replacements only available in the summer
- giving 8 months to an interim is too high of a risk, what if he fails spectacularly within 2 months?
- as worrying as the situation is, theoretically easier upcoming fixtures which could see us turn the situation around
- sacking is expensive
Rather waste this season in order to get a top top relpacement, than give it now to someone who doesn't guarantee better outcome
The moment that happens, then the rumours will begin.
I would assume that they would want to let the manager know that he is being relieved from his role before he hears it from the media.
I think they’re crazy if they don’t sack him.
There’s been so many moments in the past 12 months that many of us could point to and say ‘yeah he deserves the sack for that’. Could you imagine our elite tier peers tolerating finishing bottom of a Champions League group involving Galatasaray and Copenhagen?
There’s been so many moments in the past 12 months that many of us could point to and say ‘yeah he deserves the sack for that’. Could you imagine our elite tier peers tolerating finishing bottom of a Champions League group involving Galatasaray and Copenhagen?
A interim isn't going to do worse though? They've already got the safety net of being an interim and that being known, no one would be expecting a title charge.
Who do you think the top top summer replacement would be? I've seen a few float this idea, and I do think there's genuine logic to it, I just can't think who it would be.
The more I look at the data under ETH the sadder it gets. We've had 27 non-unique 10 game stretches with a negative goal difference under him (compared to 18 under Ole, 11 under LvG, 6 under Ralf, 3 under Moyes, and 2 under Jose).
Non-exhaustive list:
- His first 10 games had a goal difference of -1
- Almost all successive 10 game stretches between end of Sept 2023 and Dec 2023 had a negative goal difference. Notable losses here are 3-0 to Newcastle, 3-0 to Man City, and 3-0 to Bournemouth. When we won, we won by one goal usually. There was also the 4-3 loss to Copenhagen in this period.
- There was another rotten period between March and May of 2024, mostly negative goal difference for rolling 10 game windows. Notable losses here are 3-1 to City and 4-0 to Crystal Palace
For win rate, ETH has found himself with win rate of 30% of less over the preceding 10 games 12 times (LVG is ahead at 13, and Ole is far ahead on 20. Notably, Jose is the lowest at 1). The worst period was the 20% win rate in the period preceding and including the loss to Arsenal in May 2024.
The last thing is, how many times we lost by more than 2 or 3 goals and more, as a percentage of all games played. We do get spanked more than under any other manager, other than the disaster that was Ralf Rangnick who is often bottom of the list on all metrics
Lost by 2+ goals, and by 3+ goals (number of matches and % of all matches managed at United)
Manager 2+ goals loss 3+ goals loss David Moyes 7 (13.72%) 3 (5.88%) Louis van Gaal 7 (6.8%) 4 (3.88%) José Mourinho 8 (5.56%) 2 (1.39%) Ole Gunnar Solskjær 23 (13.7%) 5 (2.98%) Ralf Rangnick 4 (13.8%) 3 (10.34%) Erik Ten Hag 17 (13.6%) 10 (8%)
But... but... but ..he is the most successful manager since Fergie's retirement. Two cups.
Hmmm, if he gets sacked, a massive payday awaits plus he is finally rid of the nightmare that is ageing him rapidly.
If he has as much belief in his ability as he exudes, he’ll also have an extremely positive outlook towards the future.
If he really wants to stay and thus has reason to be stressed whilst away, you’d think introspection would lead him to a better place than he has shown for the last 18 months.
So INEOS is binning this season. Nice to know.
I could think of about 3 managers that could come in right now and make us instantly better. There’s absolutely no excuse as to why we aren’t playing decent football with the squad we have and the players we’ve just signed. Spurs have managed it straight away as have Brighton and even Chelsea with new managers.
Right after the decision 4 months back to stick with him.
Why? They decided to keep him when he was on holiday so he can be sacked on holiday
It certainly seems that way.
Doesn’t make sense. They have already done invested millions, poured money into building a much wanted “structure”, to not want to be competitive? No, that’s illogical. They know that for the money to flow through the club that they need to be competitive on the pitch.
Ratcliffe told us that it will take several years. Fans are getting ahead of themselves. The structure was just put in. It doesn’t mean that we are now going to automatically win.
IF they don’t remove ETH now, it’s not a pant shitting moment (I desperately want him to go). It’s just that they are literally in the door and want to their time to ensure it’s right. November isn’t that far away now either.
No, these meetings happen every month. Last months was held in Barcelona, I think it was, because SJR was there for some reason.
I think he's got away with it this time but a couple of bad results after the international break and he's a gonna. He should have lost his job and I honestly can't see the point in keeping him
He got away with it during the last international break when he should have gone. Come back to more shit results and another international break where he should have gone again. I'm convinced if he doesn't go now he won't be going until the end of the season. Any later than now and the season is gone.
Largely irrelevant. If they think they have made the right decision and he wins games, you think fans are going to be like "yeah they were right but I wanted him sacked so now Im not going to support the club anymore even though they won the league and I was proved wrong".
If he stays then I'm pretty sure we will fail to beat to Brentford and this whole mess roams on
There are people who don't seem to realise how bad it is. In the last 19 PL matches (half a season worth) we are 14th and have 23 points. And to add context, 6 of those points came at the end of last season in dead rubber matches which we'd have likely lost otherwise (losing to Brighton away this season for example, when they were more competitive than the end of last season)
This is legitimately relegation form. With players who are key players for their international teams and have been key players for the best teams in the World.
Firstly, can we afford to get rid of him in view of our FFP situation? Secondly, can we afford to keep him based on the clear downward trend he has been indicating since March 2023? There are financial/commercial penalties for being a midtable club two seasons in a row.
Time to roll the dice INEOS.
Who is this top top replacement that will suddenly become available though?
Looking at some of the options that may be consider top targets.
Klopp & Pep - never going to happen
Alonso - I think we're kidding ourselves if we think we can get him
Zidane - if he won't take the job now, there's no reason why he takes it in the summer
Nagelsman - it would be easier to get him now than in the summer
Inzaghi - probably the most credible option to wait around for but not known whether he would be interested?
Other than that it's hoping Ancelotti or Flick get sacked or leave at the end of the season.
The chances are, that it's a similar pool of managers available and maybe a few other lower level managers that would rather not switch jobs mid season.
Wait around for the "ideal" choice and you may not get it and you've wasted a season for no reason.
They already did so in the summer when they decided that the shittiest manager in EPL is the best man to lead us forward.
INEOS was quick to communicate with the fanbase when the sentiment was positive. Now, they need to take a clear stance and either support the manager or sack him, no inbetweens. If they’ve decided to let him see out the season, they should stand by that decision and communicate it. However, if his future is still uncertain and depends on the next 2-3 games, it raises concerns about whether they are truly better than the Glazers.
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Relegated? Don't talk shite.
All the pressure is actually from the media. They fecking love a "United in Crisis" story and push it on every platform.
I see a lot of people mentioning this logic of wanting to ride out this season and replace ETH in the summer. Who is the top top replacement who is going to be available in the summer?
Alonso and Nagelsmann aren't any more attainable in the summer than they are now.
Anyone from one of the smaller PL teams like Frank or Iraola or Silva won't be any more available, we will have to pay compensation regardless. Similarly with Amorim or someone from another European club, we aren't going to get them for free.
Ancelotti is probably the only one if he leaves Real.
So of the obvious names (Keeping in mind we do not know everyone who might be on such a list), who is going to be available in the summer who is not available now?
November is meaningless, much like this international break. If he survives this one then they'll keep him for this season at the very least. If this terrible form can't get him sacked, then a few wins here and there this season, solid midtable finish and some good cup runs will probably give them enough to give him a new contract.
Exactly. It’s just another excuse for people to use who still trust in and support Erik Ten Hag but in a way that doesn’t go against the overwhelming majority of the fanbase at the moment.
We all do. I feel bad for the new folk who joined this forum after he left. It's the same as when Fergie retired.
I think they'll sack him but it'll be at the most pointless, inconvenient time possible. Probably when even the Conference League is impossible. Whatever contract Ten Hag has it'll be the legacy one that the Glazer dickheads approved before Ineos rocked up. It probably has a clause in it that states we have to pay Ten Hag his entire contract unless Old Trafford burns to the ground because when he first joined he was promised lots of time to develop his "process".
The world really has moved on in the last decade and we've squandered everything that the club has built up since the 80s. It should never be underestimated how many feck ups we've had to endure. Why not one last mad ride before things get better?
It's already failing spectacularly to be fair.
What if a top, top replacement isn't available this summer?
There are no guarantees in football when it comes to hiring managers.
Jose?
This was the argument for waiting for the current guy in charge! Also, if you do worse than Ten Hag at this point you should be replaced by the youth coach and retire.