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At least Neville had the decency to call it quits from management, not that offers would of been pouring but still.
Both had better starts to the season than this TBF. Ole in the league had 4 wins, 2 draws and 1 loss by this point. Mourinho had that Newcastle game to buy him another month, but also had 4 wins, 1 draw and 3 losses.
Ten Hag having just 2 wins in 7, just 5 goals scored... It's rough.
It's much harder standing by your manager when the going gets tough then do what most people want. How much time does he need? Will he get the club right back on track in 2 years? Or will it take 5...?
Doesn't have to be here but it would be really interesting if a big club would stand by their manager for a couple of years when it's not going well instead of sacking them off quickly.
ITV would need some info that no other journalist has though, to think it could happen. When has that ever happened before? ITV are nobodies in football journalism and it seems they're just chancing it or trying to make a story where there isn't one.
Have we any legit sources that say they will have a serious talk about ETH today?
Oh christ I can here Fergie post Swansea again
Omar came out the other week with a statement saying they back the manager.
The longer we go without hearing anything, the more I start to think something might happen today.
Yeah we get that dreaded backing brief from the summer again, just have some guts and pull that trigger so we can have some hope for Brentford.
Bookies raised odds on him being sacked. I trust bookies. He is staying ....
Is there any news yet or even rumours? Feel like we would have heard by now if he was getting sacked
If that happens I will scream
It’s the opposite for me. Longer we hear nothing. The more I think nothings changing.
We may as well drop more points then, if they want to accept mediocrity easily then so do I
Why would it happen?
Just looked ….bookies have shortened odds him next to go 4/7
Eh, it's been going badly for 19 months. You can't be asking for 5 years at a massive club.
Yeah it wouldn’t. It was just a “what if”.
You have no idea what you're talking about mate. In Italy the manager is a step down to the almighty. Good players like Baggio and Di Canio because they refuse to see themselves as pawns in a chess game in which the manager is the master of it. Some are worse of than others. Capello, Sacchi and Conte for example are renowned to be cnuts as opposed to the likes of Ancelotti. However even Ancelotti had his 'Duce' moments as well like for example when he sold Zola (Parma's version of our own Eric Cantona) because he didn't fit his system. He later on regretted it but that how managers in Italy see themselves.
So why the UK do not produce top managers? That's a rather complex question
a- there's far less emphasis on tactics something that in Italy is pushed down in player's throats from an early age. I believe even Benitez mentioned this issue as well. The stereotypical British player is gifted with great DNA (strength, stamina, height, pace) which allows him certain leeway in football. But that leeway doesn't translate well at managerial level
b- lack of progression. EPL clubs can afford the best managers in the world which means more competition for the top places. This cuts both ends. For example Ipswich were able to persuade Mckenna to stay despite the likes of Brighton and Chelsea came knocking at his door.
c- coaching licenses in the UK are prohibitively expensive (3.4k to 9k plus) as opposed to the Spanish one (960 - 1k) and is not exactly renowned for its quality either. That means a smaller pool of Brits are becoming coaches/managers and less so are given the top quality training an Italian or a Spanish would get.
You're right in saying that in the UK, managers tend to be given more time and that does lead to complacency though
Hoping the pause in news is because they are preparing the necessary paperwork/undertaking the steps needed to terminate his employment and then will release a statement after.
Liverpool spent the best part of 20 years standing by managers for a couple of years, it didn't get them any nearer a league title despite spending a feck tonne along the way.
Context of both those seasons helps though.
Oles season started with 12 points in the opening 5 fixtures, scoring 13 and conceding 4. We lost our CL opener away from hope against Young Boys, we were actually leading and then AWB got sent off mid way through the 1st half. They scored the winner in the 95th minute. We put out a 2nd string in the League Cup and lost 1-0 to West Ham at OT. Then lost to Villa 1-0 in the PL conceding in the final minutes again. We then beat Villarreal in our CL Game and drew to 5th placed Everton in the league 1-1. So we'd been knocked out of the League Cup by PL West Ham. We'd got 3 points in our CL Group and we were 4th in the PL with 14 points, scoring 14 goals. It wasn't a terrible start to the season at all.
For Jose we also bombed out of the League Cup, this time a 2-2 draw with Derby and losing on pens. We had 4 points in our CL group phase after 2 games. But we were doing worse in the League, this time only 10 points with 10 scored and 12 conceded. We did however pick up 10 points in our next 4 PL games. Also managed to beat Juve away in the CL group (but lost to them at home).
Neither Manager had bad starts to the season, they weren't brilliant starts but certainly not bad. This is why neither Manager was sacked earlier as both Managers form got progressively worse as the season went along. With EtH however, we've been bad for so long that this bad start to the season isn't even out of brand. It's just more of the same.
Can always hope
Exactly. You would hope the delay is because they're finalising the replacement
Yeah that's all we can do
They wont sack him, dithering Rat
Relegation gate has drifted a bit too
No truer words
The runs that got both Jose and Ole sacked are just an average months worth of results for Erik over the last 14 months.
"Right, I get that everything shows he should be sacked. However, we have to adress the most important question. How silly do I look for not listening the first time?" - SJR
5 more years on this trajectory and our transition to a well established championship team might be complete.
I doubt it
Reports are that ETH is on holiday. They won't be sacking him by text, a phone call and definitely not by a public statement. I think if they do wish to sack him they will try to make it as clean as possible and I'm not sure how they do that so quickly, while ETH is away.
Maybe they will rock up to his villa, like they did in Ibiza to tell him they wanted to keep him in the summer.
It's also a lie. EtH last 28 games has 9 loses not 13.
He has a habit of disappearing on holiday when his job is at risk ….went on holiday straight after FA cup
It won't be up to Ratcliffe. He already said that.
I do agree though, he won't be sacked yet.
They just splurged on a new coaching team to support him, so they won't want to rip the band aid off so soon. Sunk-cost fallacy.
I bet they regret keeping him in the summer now though... Shouldn't have listened to us fans
What?
Who said they would sack him via a public statement. No reason why a video call can't be scheduled. Holiday or not. Then, the necessary paperwork, etc can be processed and signed and then, finally, a statement released.