The timing is perfect to let him go
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Votes can now be changed
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I’d honestly be happy with either. I think Frank has done a very good job at Brentford, but Tuchel is more of a known quantity when it comes to managing a big club.
Three so far.
Extending Bruno’s contract for no reason.
Not sacking Hag after the final
Not sacking Hag after villa
In fairness, keeping him on in the summer was a horrendous first mistake to make, given we're now about to write off yet another season with more expensive signings that aren't looking too promising so far. It's fair to say they've made a grave mess of their start to ownership.
No, I said that's what they look like. Everyone agrees they made a mess of things in the summer with ETH, and now their decision to keep him looks a disastrous one. Everyone knew he needed to go then.
And he needs to go now. Like, right now.
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Didn’t we have an international break where literally everyone thought Solskjaer was toast and he survived it somehow, then first league game back was that 4-1 Watford loss and then they sacked him?
The club is full of fecking incompetence like that and it wouldn’t surprise me if they did the same here if we lost to Brentford in two weeks.
The club is full of fecking incompetence like that and it wouldn’t surprise me if they did the same here if we lost to Brentford in two weeks.
I'm not sure about that. Is it really that much of a big deal? Managers in the PL are sacked all the time, and the coaches/backroom staff are shifted around as a result. I don't think that should be something to cause a delay. Not if we're intending to become a serious club again.
As for the players, well, they shouldn't be entirely "his", since INEOS arrived, they have taken ownership of the footballing structure. ETH should have had input in this sure, but not total control. The players we've signed since INEOS' arrival should be fitting their long term plans which any new manager should be able to come in and manage. The days of scattergun signings controlled by a manager should have ended the moment they took control and if it didn't, we're in the same deep shit as we were prior to their takeover, almost like there was no point.
That's my reading of it too. The way we defeated city was very impressive, it wasn't a smash and grab lucky victory, we genuinely deserved to win and were better on the day. If you look at the context, most of the players had come back from being injured too - injuries were a major hinderance last season. So it's not beyond comprehension that INEOS might have looked at it as though he deserves a chance. A lot of fans thought the same.
He has now had that chance, the proof is in the pudding, he has not succeeded and it's time for a change. We are not on an upward trajectory, we are regressing.
As for if we had got the win v.s. Villa, it wouldn't have told us anything, the performance was still very poor, we are toothless and allergic to scoring. The only positive if we're clutching at straws is we weren't as easy to score against... but is that genuine or a one-off? We just shipped 3 to Porto and they scored easily.
I think that's a bit of a myth to be honest. There was already a serious problem in that dressing room that season probably centred around Ronaldo's ego. Ralf obviously didn't help matters by throwing the players under the bus on a weekly basis and moaning about everything else under the sun. An Interim manager should be focusing on lifting morale and confidence after a bad period under the previous manager, in that respect Ralf was like a breath of putrid air.
Has links to SEG...
Ratcliffe didn't hire RVN.
So what brought him the success at Ajax? Was it the quality of the team that was given to him along with a weaker league?
Many of those players have gone on to have successful careers in stronger leagues, so were they a few levels above the rest of the league?
Many of those players have gone on to have successful careers in stronger leagues, so were they a few levels above the rest of the league?
Yes because why make a decision that you obviously need to make now when you can leave it until much later.
The proof is in the pudding and so far very little has changed.
Be fairly amusing if Thomas Frank became our manager and had his first match against Brentford
Good way to beat them
It's insane to me that some of our fans can't see how we have essentially wasted 6 odd years between ETH/Ole.
Piss easy run. I envisage that we'll scrape a few wins and draws by playing absolutely terrible football, and this dance will continue.
This is the time to change. Proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, how bad a coach he is. The players look confused, with even the new signings already tainted and outcast by his bizarre setup.
Two full weeks to breathe and, at the very least, have the optimism that the worst manager in our modern history and his arrogant personality is gone.
The run of games should be good for anyone half competent, with those players. We should be in the top half looking up and much more comfortable in the EL.
Don’t throw the season away over stupid pride under the guise of patience. Thousands and thousands of minutes and a plethora of terrible decisions have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he isn’t the man and it’s actively hurting the club.
Two full weeks to breathe and, at the very least, have the optimism that the worst manager in our modern history and his arrogant personality is gone.
The run of games should be good for anyone half competent, with those players. We should be in the top half looking up and much more comfortable in the EL.
Don’t throw the season away over stupid pride under the guise of patience. Thousands and thousands of minutes and a plethora of terrible decisions have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he isn’t the man and it’s actively hurting the club.
The Glazers would have sacked him by now. How are Ineos worse?!
I agree. He shouldn't have done that. But does it really matter where the dressing room issues originated from? What we now know is, that the interim time was another waste of time. We might as well could have sticked to Ole and have him see out the season. Wouldn't have been more drama than with the whole RR situation.
While I can see your point, I wouldn't sign that as a global truth. An interim manager is supposed to take over to make the team functional and, in a best-case-scenario, support the takeover to the new coach. I think, there aren't any templates for that, given that clubs will find themselves in very different situations when an interim comes, one is finding himself hunting European football places, another fights against relegation and another one fights for nothing because the team hovers around 9th to 13th place. I personally don't really get your sentiment of salvaging a season. Because I personally do not want to hunt international places only to play EL next year. Or Conference League or whatever. The objective for this season should be the same as for ETH - improve the fecking team by improving their level of organisation. Granted, most likely ETH isn't going to achieve that but the interim should have exactly the same objective. There is simply no point in taking two steps back, going back to "keep it compact and counter" only for the sake of some results, as if a 5th or 6th place would be less hurtful to the ego than a 10th or 11th place is. Whoever the manager is, we have to get a pressing scheme in place and we have to improve the team as a functional unit. Delaying that once again will have the next manager (if we go interim and next manager in the summer) face the exact same challenge as ETH faces right now.
It's properly mental.
As you say, no other "major" club in world football would accept this sort of form/standard of football
He should have gone last winter after the CL embarrassment. We still had the opportunity to rescue our season had we changed Manager at that point. That was the moment I was done.
He wouldn’t have survived after last season even with the FA Cup win.
Standards have been slowly eroding for 11 years. I thought Ole was the peak of rock bottom standards, but this is in a whole new stratosphere.
INEOS haven't started their tenure in encouraging fashion whatsoever.
Tuchel or Frank would do nicely. I just pray we don't go down the interim route with the likes of Ruud, It's only October and the season doesn't need to be a write off.
"Champions League qualification is a worry"
I think that ship has sailed. They should be more worried about getting dragged into a relegation battle.
Nice smidge of noise, would be great to move on from him this week. It’s clearly for the best.
The cost to sack him is a nonsensical argument because the cost of not sacking him is threefold:
1) Missing out on CL revenue
2) Sponsorship revenue being cut due to not being in CL
3) 1 and.2 combining to leave us in a precarious PSR position and facing a possible points deduction.
And remember all this stand by your manager nonsense - not even Fergie believes it as he showed when Moyes was cut adrift.
1) Missing out on CL revenue
2) Sponsorship revenue being cut due to not being in CL
3) 1 and.2 combining to leave us in a precarious PSR position and facing a possible points deduction.
And remember all this stand by your manager nonsense - not even Fergie believes it as he showed when Moyes was cut adrift.
Agreed. All very encouraging so far
Possible under a different manager"Champions League qualification is a worry"
I think that ship has sailed. They should be more worried about getting dragged into a relegation battle.
Allowing somebody who didn't build a sqaud at Ajax freehand to build a squad here was hellishly risky.
It's still very achievable. But ten Hag doesn't deserve the opportunity."Champions League qualification is a worry"
I think that ship has sailed. They should be more worried about getting dragged into a relegation battle.
Tuchel yes. Frank no.
Frank's football would be fancier but not more effective.
Could see the fanbase turn on him fast, not to mention, the players when he stops smiling at them. Mind, Tuchel may alienate people with his Quantum of Solace bullshit, so it's a tricky one.
Tuchel because he has managed serious clubs before.
If these phantom fans were truly 'apathetic' then they wouldn't care to applaud or boo.
We are sacking EtH, in spite of his winning trophies, because he has made us a mid-table manager.
Is there much sense in hiring someone who has won nothing and highest achievement is itself mid-table?
'Gung-ho football' is what EtH attempts, after all.
He'd have survived winning nothing but keeping the Glazers in dividend money finishing fourth to a distant second.
Let's not review the Glazers, chief.
Frank's football would be fancier but not more effective.
Could see the fanbase turn on him fast, not to mention, the players when he stops smiling at them. Mind, Tuchel may alienate people with his Quantum of Solace bullshit, so it's a tricky one.
Tuchel because he has managed serious clubs before.
If these phantom fans were truly 'apathetic' then they wouldn't care to applaud or boo.
We are sacking EtH, in spite of his winning trophies, because he has made us a mid-table manager.
Is there much sense in hiring someone who has won nothing and highest achievement is itself mid-table?
'Gung-ho football' is what EtH attempts, after all.
He'd have survived winning nothing but keeping the Glazers in dividend money finishing fourth to a distant second.
Let's not review the Glazers, chief.
Can Joel sack himself too."Champions League qualification is a worry"
I think that ship has sailed. They should be more worried about getting dragged into a relegation battle.
And how come Erik doesn’t dance anymore? Remember the Hagusi?