[Lyng]

This thread has honestly gotten pretty embarrasing. Opposition fans are being used as a reason for us to shit on our own player. The same has happened to Bruno and Maguire. Several of the people screaming about agendas in those threads are the most active critics in here.
Yes we should absolutely upgrade on De Gea. But to blame him for us losing to Newcastle in a match where we had no possession let alone made any kind of goal threat in the other end is downright embarrasing.
That match was the poster child for why we cannot continue to play without a proper midfield and that we are desperate after a proper midfield, whenever Casemiro and Eriksen are gone.
Imagine we swapped De Gea for Raya in that match. Would he command the box more? Sure. Would we still have had this low possession and a shite display and lost the game? Absolutely.
De Gea isnt good enough thats pretty clear, but to use this match and try to paint a picture where he is the main culprit is downright nonsense.

 

[Oranges038]

This thread has honestly gotten pretty embarrasing. Opposition fans are being used as a reason for us to shit on our own player. The same has happened to Bruno and Maguire. Several of the people screaming about agendas in those threads are the most active critics in here.
Yes we should absolutely upgrade on De Gea. But to blame him for us losing to Newcastle in a match where we had no possession let alone made any kind of goal threat in the other end is downright embarrasing.
That match was the poster child for why we cannot continue to play without a proper midfield and that we are desperate after a proper midfield, whenever Casemiro and Eriksen are gone.
Imagine we swapped De Gea for Raya in that match. Would he command the box more? Sure. Would we still have had this low possession and a shite display and lost the game? Absolutely.
De Gea isnt good enough thats pretty clear, but to use this match and try to paint a picture where he is the main culprit is downright nonsense.

Not sure where you got that from, and a few people have said this already.

Find us some posts where people have actually directly blamed him for the loss.

 

[Lyng]

Not sure where you got that from, and a few people have said this already.

Find us some posts where people have actually directly blamed him for the loss.

There are several blaming him for the goal. He should come for the freekick etc. Even if I somewhat agree with that, its hardly his fault they got to have so many chances.

 

[Cassidy]

There are several blaming him for the goal. He should come for the freekick etc. Even if I somewhat agree with that, its hardly his fault they got to have so many chances.

The two things are not the same. He can have some fault for the goal but not be the reason we lost overall

 

[Oranges038]

There are several blaming him for the goal. He should come for the freekick etc. Even if I somewhat agree with that, its hardly his fault they got to have so many chances.

But nobody has directly blamed him for the loss.

People just righly point out, his passing is shit, he's constantly playing players into trouble. Which means it's hard to beat the press and maintain possession. This is a huge problem especially when your manager expects you to build from the back. You have opposition fans and players saying how easy it is to press him. Yet, people here defend him and think it shouldn't be brought up. It should, because with him in goal Utd are too easy to press high.

His claiming of crosses is shit, he should have claimed a couple that led to chances and one of those might have been the freekick that led to a goal. Again a huge problem because your defenders are under more pressure to deal with these balls and the opposition know that, so keep smashing balls into the 6 yard box.

It's not his fault they got so many chances. But, he should have done better in other aspects on his game to aid the team. People need to forget the last 10 years, he's been bang average for 5 of them now. And look to the future, he's just not good enough.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Hard not to wonder if we wouldn’t concede more shots from inside our six yard box than every other team in the league if we replaced De Gea with a keeper who even has an average command of that six yard box.

 

[Olecurls99]

Hard not to wonder if we wouldn’t concede more shots from inside our six yard box than every other team in the league if we replaced De Gea with a keeper who even has an average command of that six yard box.

Allison kept trying to come for crosses against City, leaving an open goal for the attacker. I prefer my keeper to back his shot stopping ability every now and again.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Allison kept trying to come for crosses against City, leaving an open goal for the attacker. I prefer my keeper to back his shot stopping ability every now and again.

I don’t remember any City striker missing an open goal in that match.

I prefer my keeper to not allow the opposition have more shots at our goal from inside our own six yard box than any other keeper in the league. It’s not a big ask, surely?

 

[Olecurls99]

I don’t remember any City striker missing an open goal in that match.

I prefer my keeper to not allow the opposition have more shots at our goal from inside our own six yard box than any other team in the league. It’s not a big ask, surely?

Allison kept trying that on Saturday, letting in the 2 first goals in the process. If he had stayed on his line he at least would have given the attacker a challenge rather than an empty net. He proactively gave City 2 open goals.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Allison kept trying that on Saturday, letting in the 2 first goals in the process. If he had stayed on his line he at least would have given the attacker a challenge rather than an empty net. He proactively gave City 2 open goals.

Sorry but that’s bollox. Using your logic no keeper should ever stray from his line. Which everyone who knows anything about goalkeeping knows is the worst possible starting position to make a save.

You’re also talking bollox about the City game. Allison was perfectly positioned for City’s first and had to try and come for the cross on their second. No way was KdB missing from there if he’d had a free shot.

 

[Olecurls99]

Sorry but that’s bollox. Using your logic no keeper should ever stray from his line. Which everyone who knows anything about goalkeeping knows is the worst possible starting position to make a save.

You’re also talking bollox about the City game. Allison was perfectly positioned for City’s first and had to try and come for the cross on their second. No way was KdB missing from there if he’d had a free shot.

So 2 empty nets is preferable? OK

 

[Pogue Mahone]

So 2 empty nets is preferable? OK

Why are you lying to try and win an argument? The footage is available online.

 

[Sylar]

I don’t remember any City striker missing an open goal in that match.

I prefer my keeper to not allow the opposition have more shots at our goal from inside our own six yard box than any other keeper in the league. It’s not a big ask, surely?

because it didnt happen. These are the goals. Apparently this is Allison leaving an open goal.


If anything Allison should have come out even more off his line for the second, but that is hindsight and leave his front post exposed.##
Speaking of talking bollox, I see youre still posting here @Olecurls99

Can you please show me where this happened:

but to come on here and blame Dave for that absolute shambles of a team performance is madness.

Youve made this statement, but ignored the question, who has actually done this? Can you show me whos blamed Dave for the teams performance?

 

[Olecurls99]

Why are you lying to try and win an argument? The footage is available online.

I thought he came for the 1st one too. My bad. The point still stands about the 2nd one.

I still think De Gea would've been better positioned to make a save on the first one too though because he stays on his line and doesn't give the empty net.

 

[Sylar]

But to blame him for us losing to Newcastle in a match where we had no possession let alone made any kind of goal threat in the other end is downright embarrasing.

Who has blamed him for us losing to Newcastle? I cant see any posts that where thats happened, but ive seen people accuse others of doing this

 

[Marwood]

Anything up high that needs saving he's still one of the best around.

But everything else is a real struggle for him.

 

[Real Name]

Livaković had a great world cup, in my opinion he should have been the keeper of the tournament, not Martinez.

His qualities are shot stopping, obviously penalties and has a good pass on him when needed. What he's shy about is coming out of his goal and claiming crosses. Against Wales there was an instance when the ball was about 5 meters in front of him, Gvardiol shielded the ball and waited for Livaković to claim it which he never did so Gvardiol gave him dog bollocks and rightly so. By not claiming the ball close to you and not coming of the line as much as you should you're just inviting pressure time and time again.

What's the point of this. Livaković is a lot similar to De Gea. I'd even say Livaković comes out of his goal more but not enough.

 

[Bebestation]

I think the fact his contract is up should make letting go of him a better decision.

Ive liked him this season but still feel that a more all rounded keeper will help us get 6-9 points extra a season compared to De Gea’s seasons.

 

[NLunited]

Other keepers claim or clear balls like that all game. Ddg has the least claimed crosses in the league. Wake up

No they don‘t. Balls were clearly out of reach.

 

[Remember the geese]

No they don‘t. Balls were clearly out of reach.

They were out of reach because he was glued to his line. That's not an excuse.

 

[NLunited]

I don’t remember any City striker missing an open goal in that match.

I prefer my keeper to not allow the opposition have more shots at our goal from inside our own six yard box than any other keeper in the league. It’s not a big ask, surely?

No, they scored after Alisson failed to cut out the cross.

 

[NLunited]

They were out of reach because he was glued to his line. That's not an excuse.

You want him to run out and try to get a cross 12 feet up in the air?

Good think you are not a goalkeeping coach.

 

[Skills]

Distribution is overrated, but now with a relatively small team we need a box dominant keeper.

 

[Remember the geese]

You want him to run out and try to get a cross 12 feet up in the air?

Good think you are not a goalkeeping coach.

You might want to watch the second goal again.

 

[Marwood]

Allison kept trying to come for crosses against City, leaving an open goal for the attacker. I prefer my keeper to back his shot stopping ability every now and again.

From within the 6 yard area?

 

[NLunited]

No they don‘t. Balls were clearly out of reach.

The first goal cross was out of reach.

The second goal cross was out of reach as well. He stayed on his line for the header as he should. It was headed across then out of his reach. I don‘t see what else he could have done.

 

[Remember the geese]

The second goal cross was out of reach as well.

In what world? It's a very simple claim.

 

[MadDogg]

Laying on the floor and having the ball kicked at you is defo an interesting one to use as an example of a save that ddg makes that most others won't

Especially when it only happened because De Gea made a poor block straight back into the most dangerous area he possibly could have.

 

[Olecurls99]

From within the 6 yard area?

Better than giving an open goal. Of course it is

 

[Real Name]

Better than giving an open goal. Of course it is

In your opinion keeper should be glued to the line at all costs?

 

[Oranges038]

Allison kept trying to come for crosses against City, leaving an open goal for the attacker. I prefer my keeper to back his shot stopping ability every now and again.

That's bollocks.

Be a whimp and stay on your line, your gonna get balls smashed in there in top of you in the 6 yard box and be crowded because they know your weak as piss. That's what happens with DDG. Makes everyones job harder in there trying to defend it and makes it almost impossible to hit teams on the counter because so many players get sucked back to defend.

Anything claimable in and around the 6 yard box, the keeper should either be catching it or meeting it with fists and sending it away out of the box. Clatter a few players, you get a reputation for being strong and dominant and soon you'll rarely be challenged in the air when you call for the ball. You can almost guarantee the opposition will be told to keep the ball away from you on set pieces and other deliveries.

Those set piece situations become easier to defend for everyone, plus you now need less players back defending, you can leave a few players high, all of a sudden the opposition have to leave a few players back to defend and can't crowd the box.

A dominant keeper can have a huge impact on the whole team setup and shape from set pieces and when defending crosses etc. You just refuse to see it.

 

[Olecurls99]

In your opinion keeper should be glued to the line at all costs?

No but sometimes being proactive is actually detrimental to your team like on Saturday with Allison.

 

[sullydnl]

Better than giving an open goal. Of course it is

That wasn't the question. It was whether you prefer your goalkeeper to back his shot-stopping from within the six yard area versus trying to cut out the cross.

 

[Real Name]

No but sometimes being proactive is actually detrimental to your team like on Saturday with Allison.

Sure, if the keeper misses the ball, but ultimately keeper should be proactive.

 

[Olecurls99]

That wasn't the question. It was whether you prefer your goalkeeper to back his shot-stopping from within the six yard area versus trying to cut out the cross.

It at least makes the attacker have to do something rather than let the ball hit his foot into an empty net.

 

[Olecurls99]

Sure, if the keeper misses the ball, but ultimately keeper should be proactive.

Not always as seen in both examples

 

[Real Name]

Not always as seen in both examples

Nobody said not always but certainly more than DDG.

 

[MadDogg]

No but sometimes being proactive is actually detrimental to your team like on Saturday with Allison.

Over the course of a season, which do you think will result in more goals conceded? A keeper who attempts to come out and claim everything he realistically could but will invariably get it wrong on the odd occasion, or a keeper who sits on his line and allows opposition players to get far more close range shots, especially as they know he won't come out so they can place the ball closer and in more dangerous positions? Also bear in mind the first option will also then regularly have the ball in his hand in a position where we can often launch counter-attacks.

 

[sullydnl]

It at least makes the attacker have to do something rather than let the ball hit his foot into an empty net.

That isn't really an answer either. Do you think a goalkeeper is generally better off conceding a chance from six yards out and trying to save it or trying to cut out a cross into his six yard box to prevent the chance in the first place? As in over the course of a season which will lead to better outcomes? There's very much a right answer to this question, it isn't that complicated.

 

[Sylar]

That isn't really an answer either. Do you think a goalkeeper is generally better off conceding a chance from six yards out and trying to save it or trying to cut out a cross into his six yard box to prevent the chance in the first place? As in over the course of a season which will lead to better outcomes? There's very much a right answer to this question, it isn't that complicated.

It's complicated when you need to try to twist and back the indefensible