Best shot stoppers of all time? I mean he has very good reflexes and he his positioning and agility is excellent. But best of all time? Not convinced by that. Either way even if he is he can't cheat the law of physics and he is still human, so prem striker infront of goal six yards out with a clear sight of goal. No chance unless it's straight at him. Past him before he even sees it more than likely.
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Best shot stoppers of all time? I mean he has very good reflexes and he his positioning and agility is excellent. But best of all time? Not convinced by that. Either way even if he is he can't cheat the law of physics and he is still human, so prem striker infront of goal six yards out with a clear sight of goal. No chance unless it's straight at him. Past him before he even sees it more than likely.
Maybe, maybe also with the increasing use of data and statistical analysis teams are working out that De Gea has a massive issue with dealing with crosses in his six yard box and it's being used as a deliberate tactic against us.
Crosses claimed data is still fairly new so there is probably just about enough data now to make an informed judgement.
Came across this
I do not have the technical nous of GifLord to clip highlights here. But I do actually watch matches and can copy and paste links to media reports here:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21853635/newcastle-man-utd-live-result-score-premier-league-online/
https://manutdnews.com/david-de-gea-impresses-for-man-utd-in-disappointing-2-0-loss-at-newcastle/
https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/wat...le-save-man-utd-newcastle/bltd789b53bb9246420
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/spo...tle-manchester-united-player-ratings-26615354
https://www.skysports.com/watch/vid...save-d-de-gea-16-newcastle-0-0-manchester-utd
There are quite a few additional match reports that condemn United's performance overall but reserve praise for De Gea.
It's easy to get carried away with some of the saves De Gea makes. It's also easy to get carried away with condemnation of De Gea when his passes go astray. I watched several matches over the weekend and witnessed stray passes by Alisson and Ederson, yet I don't see Liverpool and City supporters going into meltdown when their keepers miss passes.
In the match against Newcastle, every single one of us here were astonished that we weren't down 1-0 or 2-0 at HT. We still lost the match 2-0, but when your keeper keeps you in the game through the 60th minute with either saves he's supposed to make (I assume this is your thesis, that his saves were routine) or were actually outstanding saves, you've got a chance to escape with a draw or a win you didn't deserve but you'll take anyway because it's always about the results. These are not saves that Pickford or Ramsdale (just picking out keepers who the British media fawn over) makes on any kind of regular basis but De Gea does.
The massive problem is that there's absolutely nothing quantifiable about the central claim of your argument, which is that the saves made by De Gea are "not saves that Pickford or Ramsdale make on any kind of regular basis". I would, in fact, say that some of the saves made against Newcastle were nowhere near as impressive as they were made out to be.
The double save in the first half is a prime example. The commentators were fawning over it being an example of a save only De Gea would make, but if you watch it back there's actually nothing massively special about it. The initial header was really close to him, and is a shot I'd be disappointed to see any Premier League level goalkeeper let in. The second one was hit straight at him whilst he was led on the ground; it was almost physically impossible for him not to make that save. If you'd like to watch it yourself, it's the first clip in this "Saves of the Week" compilation (as if to prove my point), so you don't even have to subject yourself to the misery of re-watching the highlights of our game.
This is my point. I feel that De Gea's prior (and thoroughly deserved) reputation for being a world class shot-stopper means that some of the saves he makes nowadays are classed as being a lot more difficult than they actually are.
What minutes were these saves?
I can look them up on a replay and see them because I genuinely don't remember any outstanding saves that no other keeper makes.
I assume one of those was the double save around 16-18 minutes in that only occurred because he didn't come out to deal with a simple cross, as any other goalkeeper would have done.
In fact that's what many of De Gea's "outstanding saves" come down to. A last-ditch reaction as a result of failing to proactively deal with a simpler situation earlier on.
I will defend Dave here and say the cross for the double save isn't one you could reasonably expect the keeper to claim. The double save itself, however, is nowhere near as impressive as it's made out to be.
Right, Newcastle had 6 shots on target. 2 of them were the goals, 2 account for the double save that wasn't actually that good. 1 is the very impressive yet totally unrequired if he did his job properly in the first place one from Joe Linton in the 75 minute. And the other one as far as I can work out is from Allan Saint maximum in the 16th minute, that I have no recollection of, all I can tell you is it had an XG of 0.03.
So which save was it out if those 4 that other prem GK'S would not make?
Maybe it was the "very impressive" one
Hoping Dave just lumps it tonight. He's not gonna get any help from the midfielders against a good press. Just bypass it Dave
Jesus fecking Christ some of your are relentles, making it sound like other GK in the league do not concede any fecking goals or chances. Do you fecking micro analyze all of the goals they concede? Just for perspective try and watch some other PL football. We have 41 goals scored and 37 conceded, the GK as showed against Newcastle is one of our lesser worries.
De Gea always stays on his line. I have no faith in him coming for corners or crosses into the box. He's dreadful playing out from the back.
Newcastle's first goal would have been avoided had De Gea not passed to Varane.
It's funny how you failed to mention Licha's height and previous years statistic. And why the feck would you excuse one of them while try to paint all that on DDG?
Yes PL teams and scouting departments are pretty new with DDG massive issue with dealing with crosses
Even better, we wouldn't have lost 2:0 if we didn't even show up at St James Park.
I excuse one of them because he's the new centre back who has performed outstandingly well and is quite patently, and quite correctly, not going anywhere for the foreseeable future.
Meanwhile, nobody can actually provide anything quantifiable that De Gea does massively well. It's just "Oh, you definitely don't see Ramsdale making that save". There are quite literally no metrics which make De Gea look outstanding any more, so frankly I'm a bit sick of seeing him in the team.
I also cross checked the saves / shots & watched the clips back from a site that shows full match replays - everywhere I can see has him down for 4 saves. There was another simple enough one from Schaar after 6 mins, but the whistle was already blown, so it wasn't counted.
16 mins - 2 saves both right at him - nothing special
17 mins - easy save from ASM - comfortable
75 mins - Joe Linton - tips it onto to the bar - but thats the one he should be claiming the corner. again though, right at him, but tbf he does well to react.
3 simple saves (1 he knew nothing about) and the one from a corner that most keepers just pluck out of the air and don't have to deal with the headed effort.
Yes one of them is only here for half a season, the other one has been an outstanding servant to this club for over a decade. And I have grown to like Martinez myself but it's pretty evident example of how the same stick being used to beat DDG is somehow not relevant to be used against another player.
And yeah there are plenty of evidence why DDG is still one of our better players, but United fans that actually watch the games of United and other teams on regular bases, we can appreciate him without nit picking every fecking step he makes.
I am just glad that @PSV pointed out the absurdity of using some stats to push certain agendas.
De Gea is a great servant to the club, and thoroughly deserves to have his career looked back on with fondness by the fanbase. That doesn't mean I, or any of the other people in this thread, need to be happy with the fact that he's our goalkeeper today.
Also, you can talk about using stats to further agendas but none of you even bring up any stats to counter it. I've seen one statistic made in favour of your argument that "DDG is still one of our better players", and it fell apart under some quite basic scrutiny. Instead, all you get is "Well, some of us watch the matches", which is a load of fecking nonsense because there's plenty of things that De Gea's doing wrong that are fairly easy to observe when watching matches as well as being reflected in the stats.
I'm still yet to see anyone make a convincing argument as to the things De Gea does well enough to justify him being the most highly paid goalkeeper in world football. I'm still yet to see a convincing argument as to why he should even been considered one of the best goalkeepers in the Premier League. I'm still yet to see anyone offer an explanation as to why, during the one time De Gea was out for a prolonged period in the past few years and replaced by the "crap" Dean Henderson, we didn't miss him at all.
Indeed our entire defensive unit improved quite significantly both by eye and the stats. But obviously it was purely coincidence.
It's a good point about Hendeson who got a lot of complaints when he was our keeper, we criticized him for conceding 4 against Liverpool only for De Gea to concede 18 goals in the next 4 games against them.
Henderson wasn't the answer but when De Gea wasn't faring well even against him, it was time to look elsewhere.
Yes PL teams and scouting departments are pretty new with DDG massive issue with dealing with crosses
The one he shouldn't of had to make? Sure I mean I certainly got himself out of his own feck up there. But probably not because the poster I was responding to was adamant the saves were in the first half.
Yeah, I'll be clear in saying I don't think Henderson's close to being good enough either. I think that illustrates my point even more.
Pretty impressive we are now at a stage where people are inventing saves that ddg makes that other keepers can't, to add to the positive column
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I thought he was really good that game.
He had that one brain fart where he kicked it against Toney but I really wish we would not do that routine when the opposition have like three players on the edge of our box.
But his passing for the most part was impressive and his one on one save was too. He stood up well and didn't commit
He had that one brain fart where he kicked it against Toney but I really wish we would not do that routine when the opposition have like three players on the edge of our box.
But his passing for the most part was impressive and his one on one save was too. He stood up well and didn't commit
Some errant passes but also a very nice 1v1 save.
Credit where it's due, that was a very good performance from De Gea.
A brilliant save from Kevin Schade but he was also showing for the ball and using it well.
A brilliant save from Kevin Schade but he was also showing for the ball and using it well.
Saved us once more today. Has been crucial for us ever since that awful Leeds game. Hopefully he can keep it up.
Saw the best and worst of him in my view. Few loose passes that put us under pressure and a poor clearance which could have gone in, but great save in the 1v1!
That save was good enough to win the World Cup
When team playing bit shit, he's perfect kind of keeper to make saves in hopeless situations.
Agreed, great one on one save and good passing except for that brain fart.
I‘m sure people will pounce on that though and say he misplaced every pass.
We are more and more capable of circumventing the press with long progressive passes. David had a few good ones.
Saved us points again tonight. Great goalkeeping
Brilliant save.
Sure some will go in two footed on his distribution... But it was very very wet out there in his defence....even Raya's kicking wasnt great and he's someone with good distribution
Sure some will go in two footed on his distribution... But it was very very wet out there in his defence....even Raya's kicking wasnt great and he's someone with good distribution
Yeah I think he deserves some slack. Did well. Made sense to keep it safe in this game and distribute it to the closest player so no shame in that tbf.
Now you mention it, Raya had 73% passing accuracy and De Gea 58% while the former also made 10 more passes.
Anyway, De Gea had a decent game and did well in the 1 on 1.
Then you missed a few long passes through the lines.
Passing is his weakness.
Brilliant keeper
Brilliant keeper
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