Copa America 2024 - Argentina Win

Pure class from Argentina. Incredible team goal. Evading canada's press.
 
Great effort from Canada here. The pressing has been impressive but lacking quality in attacking positions.
 
Maluco said:
The only link is the migrant populations, which would just as readily exist in my scenario. The USA isn’t in the same continent and has no cultural connection to those South American countries. There would be far stronger cultural links to Spain, Portugal, Italy, Holland etc…

It’s a money spin that, ultimately, takes the competition away from the home fans and nations. Just as my example would be. It’s far closer than you are making out.

It’s the oldest and most traditional tournament of it’s kind, nearly half a century older than the Euros.
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And the hispanic migrant population in USA is huge. 50 million +. Plus there's Mexico and all the other Spanish speaking central American countries in North America. Plus some of the Caribbean countries have connections with the northern SA countries. It's only Canada really that doesn't have strong Hispanic links but that shouldn't matter.

Thinking countries need to have very similar cultural links to play each other in continental tournaments seems like close minded Euro centric view. In the Asian cup you've got Arab countries against culturally different Central Asian and East / South Asian countries plus Australia who have big Asian population, in AFCON you've got culturally different Northern Arab Africans compared to Southern Africans but all these groups of people still have continental cultural links to each other.
 
Maluco said:
I don’t know how I feel about this.

It would be interesting to see how a Euros would be received, kicking off with Portugal vs China in Riyadh
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CONMEBOL has been inviting at least two teams from other federations since the 1990s so you can relax.
 
JogaBonitoRooney said:
And the hispanic migrant population in USA is huge. 50 million +. Plus there's Mexico and all the other Spanish speaking central American countries in North America. Plus some of the Caribbean countries have connections with the northern SA countries. It's only Canada really that doesn't have strong Hispanic links but that shouldn't matter.

Thinking countries need to have very similar cultural links to play each other in continental tournaments seems like close minded Euro centric view. In the Asian cup you've got Arab countries against culturally different Central Asian and East / South Asian countries plus Australia who have big Asian population, in AFCON you've got culturally different Northern Arab Africans compared to Southern Africans but all these groups of people still have continental cultural links to each other.
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I have actually been living in South America for over a decade, so it’s most definitely not coming from a Euro-centric viewpoint, I assure you.

I am just not sure how I feel about the traditions of such a grand tournament being changed so radically. The invitations were always a thing, but this is a whole other level and I am not sure that this is even a Copa America anymore.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
CONMEBOL has been inviting at least two teams from other federations since the 1990s so you can relax.
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A few invitations are a long way from what this is, no one is upset. It’s worthy of discussion.
 
Maluco said:
I have actually been living in South America for over a decade, so it’s most definitely not coming from a Euro-centric viewpoint, I assure you.

I am just not sure how I feel about the traditions of such a grand tournament being changed so radically. The invitations were always a thing, but this is a whole other level and I am not sure that this is even a Copa America anymore.
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Well as speaking as someone from outside South America fyi I'm more interested in Copa now because there's more teams and don't see an issue with including North American teams where many are Latin American countries.

It makes it more interesting and when quality improves in the overall continent, it can rival the Euros more as a tournament.
 
Good game for Argentina, considering they haven’t won in any start of any tournament under Scaloni. Acuña, Molina and Paredes didn’t do well.

On second Half we did much better. The second goal is spectacular, from start to finish. Great play by Lo Celso.
 
Florida Man said:
Peru fans travel well going by my one experience seeing them in a friendly against Croatia back in 2018. Also Chile and Peru are some kind of rivalry in the region so it should be intense.
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Not really, but that was their first World Cup since 1982. Literally a once in a lifetime experience, they would mortgage their home to be there.
 
Maluco said:
I don’t know how I feel about this.

It would be interesting to see how a Euros would be received, kicking off with Portugal vs China in Riyadh
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In fairness, it's Copa America. The US and Canada are as much in America as Argentina is.

Pedantic point aside, it was originally called Copa Sudamericana, run as such and I loved it that way. It was war with no civilian casualties, basically.

It became Copa América based on the premise it was the only America that mattered as far as football was concerned (no arrogance implied, just a fact, don't think anyone gave it that much thought).

Once we started inviting the likes of Mexico but also Japan to sort out group sizes, it was destined to become a wider, more commercial and diluted product.
 
antohan said:
Not really, but that was their first World Cup since 1982. Literally a once in a lifetime experience, they would mortgage their home to be there.
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That’s a good point. I should also mention that this friendly was in Miami where every Latino culture exists in big numbers.
 
antohan said:
In fairness, it's Copa America. The US and Canada are as much in America as Argentina is.

Pedantic point aside, it was originally called Copa Sudamericana, run as such and I loved it that way. It was war with no civilian casualties, basically.

It became Copa América based on the premise it was the only America that mattered as far as football was concerned (no arrogance implied, just a fact, don't think anyone gave it that much thought).

Once we started inviting the likes of Mexico but also Japan to sort out group sizes, it was destined to become a wider, more commercial and diluted product.
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I guess that is true, once you open the doors and all that. It just feels like the end of an era with the Copa. It might make a more exciting and glamorous and inclusive tournament, but it might also kill off a tournament that was so richly steeped in history.

It feels like there is no buzz where I live about this one. No one I know is talking about it.
 
Day 2 - Peru v Chile
Group A: Peru v Chile - 1am UK time - AT&T Stadium (Arlington, TX) June 22
 
antohan said:
In fairness, it's Copa America. The US and Canada are as much in America as Argentina is.

Pedantic point aside, it was originally called Copa Sudamericana, run as such and I loved it that way. It was war with no civilian casualties, basically.

It became Copa América based on the premise it was the only America that mattered as far as football was concerned (no arrogance implied, just a fact, don't think anyone gave it that much thought).

Once we started inviting the likes of Mexico but also Japan to sort out group sizes, it was destined to become a wider, more commercial and diluted product.
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And no non-South American team has ever won it. And probably won't anytime soon.
 
It's good to have the teams from CONCACAF participating, altough that doesn't necessarily mean better football quality. Marketing for the tournament will be better that way too.

We'll see how it goes, but teams from CONCACAF (especially México) haven't been doing so well lately. There's a chance that the hosts could be the only north american team surviving the group stage.

Today's Peru - Chile will be interesting. As a trivia, the two historic Copa América active goalscorers are Paolo Guerrero (Perú) and Eduardo Vargas (Chile) with 14 goals each, and they should be playing tonight. Messi is one goal behind them. The historic goalscorers have 17 each (Mendez from Argentina and Zizinho from Brazil, both players from the 1940s).
 
PieCrust said:
And no non-South American team has ever won it. And probably won't anytime soon.
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If they keep holding it in the US, Mexico will win it sooner or later.

Back in the day of Blanco and Rafa Márquez they would be invited on condition they went with their U21 team as it was unconscionable to have an invitee winning it (but Conmebol wanted the associated network money).
 
antohan said:
If they keep holding it in the US, Mexico will win it sooner or later.

Back in the day of Blanco and Rafa Márquez they would be invited on condition they went with their U21 team as it was unconscionable to have an invitee winning it (but Conmebol wanted the associated network money).
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That's not true. Most of the time México went with their A squad and when they didn't (2011 and 2015 editions) it was discussed if it was worth it to keep inviting them under the same conditions. Even in 2001 when almost no one went with their A team México brought a considerably strong squad with Borgetti and Arellano on top. Rafa Márquez himself played 6 different editions.
 
Krakenzero said:
That's not true. Most of the time México went with their A squad and when they didn't (2011 and 2015 editions) it was discussed if it was worth it to keep inviting them under the same conditions. Even in 2001 when almost no one went with their A team México brought a considerably strong squad with Borgetti and Arellano on top. Rafa Márquez himself played 6 different editions.
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Maybe I wasn't that clear. They did take those stronger squads, which got them deep into the tournament a couple of times. Them eventually winning was a concern so the way out of that was creating fixture clashes with the Gold Cup (it wasn't a condition accepted by Mexico but a situation forced upon them).

Of course quality was questioned eventually and I'm pretty sure they have missed some altogether because it wasn't in their interest either.

With the tourno based in the US they would have no fixture clashes, play at full strength and have home support amid a weather more agreeable to them.

They are shite now, but they will get there eventually.
 
Curiosity regarding Brazil under Dorival but overall Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Colombia are the main contenders for this one.
 
My word, the intensity on display in these games between South American teams.
 
The quality on the ball in this game is shocking. In a bad way. Just tons of errant passes.
 
What a god awful match. 37 fouls. I don't know if the ball was on play for two consecutive minutes.

I'd say that Perú has the edge for second spot now, as Argentina could play against them having already qualified.
 
Day 3 - Ecuador v Venezuela / Mexico v Jamaica
Day 3 - 22/23 July

Ecuador v Venezuela - 11pm UK time

Mexico v Jamaica - 2am UK time
 
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One of those red cards where he was clearly going for the ball but was very reckless. An orange card. But he can have no complaints.
 
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