Technically I don't see why not. And as the EU have repeated dozens of times a day it is the only one available.
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Technically I don't see why not. And as the EU have repeated dozens of times a day it is the only one available.
Good to know. Probably that's her last resort going to be, if EU stick to their guns and stop negotiating, Vote for my deal or we leave without it.
They may think that, but I'm pretty sure the UK will end up paying most, if not all, of the £39Bn settlement regardless of if there's a deal by the end of March.
Plus obviously the economy will suffer a huge hit in the event of 'no deal'.
Ouch.
He’s a looper. I was watching a debate one day and literally all he did was insult people. Total embarrassment
This is another reason the brexiteers want Ireland to leave the EU too, we stand to pickup a lot of the business
Tbh they love quoting these big numbers involved with financial services but the impact isn't as large as the number suggests.
If we lose the EEA passport we will just throw away the highest performing sector in financial services.
What a joke this government is!
If only Dublin had a proper infrastructure in place to deal with picking it up. More congestion and higher house prices await.
I don't think Corbyn will blink... But perhaps enough of the labour MP's who voted against no deal would cross the isle to back a deal to prevent no deal brexit with a few days to go... Especially if the atmosphere was a bit more cordial (even if that's clearly just pretend)
But the vast majority of labour MPs voted for no deal and with a few days to go if the only deal available is Mays I think a lot will reluctantly take it
The DUP don’t really have a history of being open minded about things like that.
I don't you are stupid, by you I mean british people. I do believe that your current politicians are as dishonest as it gets though.
'It is terrible but I still want it': Crewe voters size up no-deal Brexit https://www.theguardian.com/politic...l-want-it-crewe-voters-size-up-no-deal-brexit
fecking state of gloits like this. Why the feck should we be screwed over by such bigots
fecking state of gloits like this. Why the feck should we be screwed over by such bigots
In think it's a bit of both tbh...
The Winner takes it All... its either No Brexit, or No Deal, but our parliamentarians refuse to accept this stark but realistic choice.
At the current rate, at 11.pm on the 29th March MP's will still be voting on the 97th amendment, to the previous 65 amendments, to a Bill which the Government refuses to introduce. Meanwhile the EU leaders will have switched off the phones, turned off the lights in Brussels and decamped (yet again) to Strasbourg to lie down in a darkened room!
At the current rate, at 11.pm on the 29th March MP's will still be voting on the 97th amendment, to the previous 65 amendments, to a Bill which the Government refuses to introduce. Meanwhile the EU leaders will have switched off the phones, turned off the lights in Brussels and decamped (yet again) to Strasbourg to lie down in a darkened room!
That makes me pretty angry.
Because she hasn't recognised that it is already irreprably broken down the middle.
Oh the irony
"Shermin Hassan, a 28-year-old aspiring actor of Cypriot heritage, only moved to Crewe a month ago, to be with her partner, Kyan Adams. Originally from Tottenham in London, she voted remain but moving north had “opened her eyes”. She said she was now much more sympathetic to the idea of leaving the EU"
The article could just have easily led with her story. Would you call Shermin a bigot?
I'd call her an eejit
I'd call her an idiot but what's your point exactly? There's more leavers willing to tolerate anything to get rid of those bloody foreigners than they are those who relocated and have a new insight.
The whole defence of well not every leaver is a bigot is meaningless, it's just leave voters not wanting to be associated to those they voted alongside whilst ignoring they enabled them.
If only a third are bigots (and i'd say much higher) then we're still being taken out of the EU due to bigotry.
My point is that the article, despite it's headline, does have a semblance of balance in that it illustrates that not everyone in Crewe is a bigot. I think it's particularly interesting that prior to moving there she couldn't comprehend why you would vote leave but, having experienced what life is like there for some, was now more sympathetic to the leave vote. That's more of a story than yet another picture of a xenophobe stood in front of the Union flag for me but that's The Guardian for you.
The response here on the caf is, predictably, abuse.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47055188
Funny how after the referendum all the Leaver's said nothing will happen in the car sector because the companies won't want to move away from their fantastic UK factories and workers.
Funny how after the referendum all the Leaver's said nothing will happen in the car sector because the companies won't want to move away from their fantastic UK factories and workers.
Which is the absolute height of hypocrisy - parliament can vote on something twice (or as many times as they want as other posters have said), but there cant be a second referendum because that would be undemocratic according to some.
Jesus wept.
So there is something I'm really confused about.
The backstop is, apparently, not acceptable for the majority of Parliament. OK.
But then what? Is there any other solution on offer that would not violate the Good Friday Agreement and would not mean a hard border with Ireland? Has anything been even proposed? Why would a backstop with a time limit be any better? I really don't understand it all.
The backstop is, apparently, not acceptable for the majority of Parliament. OK.
But then what? Is there any other solution on offer that would not violate the Good Friday Agreement and would not mean a hard border with Ireland? Has anything been even proposed? Why would a backstop with a time limit be any better? I really don't understand it all.
Having swindled the people once, they're afraid to try again in case there's a different result.
In a nutshell:
Is there any other solution on offer that would not violate the Good Friday Agreement and would not mean a hard border with Ireland? Not at present.
Has anything been even proposed? The amendment passed in parliament the other night proposed "alternative arrangments" to the backstop. The detail of which no one knows, the government havent said but have alluded to "technology" which was discussed and rejected in the two year negotiation phase.
Why would a backstop with a time limit be any better? It wouldnt. This is just the UK trying to impose something and the EU have flatly rejected it on the basis that if there is a time limit on it what is the point of having it at all.
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I think it sort of goes two ways. A lot of Labour (their shitty leader not included), and some remainer Tories, don't see the deal as 'soft enough', they'd prefer a second referendum, or a more permanent solution to keeping the UK in the customs union than the backstop. The Brexiteer Tories who want out out, and don't give a toss about Northern ireland or the economy or the GFA saw it as being too soft and hated the fact that it kept them tied to the EU with no time limits.
The problem with May's deal is that it was so in the middle that it didn't satisfy either leavers or remainers. Leaver's thought it kept them too tied to the EU with no guarantees of actually getting out, remainers thought it was just like the current deal without any of the benefits of actually being a member. It was a lose-lose for everyone, which anyone with half a brain could've seen coming, but ... UK parliament, bunch of feckwits.
Thanks. So it's not like I misunderstood something, it's really just genuinely stupid.
She moved out of London, and it made her more sympathetic to leave the EU? Because somehow us leaving the EU is going to improve the quality of life for the rest of the UK outside London?
Anyone who thinks Brexit is going to be beneficial for the rest of the UK needs their head examining.
I dont think its that Brexit is going to make life better for people outside London. Its the idea that, for many, especially outside the big cities, life is already shit. So the feeling is they have nothing to lose. If Brexit makes things worse for them, so what? How much worse can they get? And if things get worse for London, good, because its only when things get shit for people in London that anyone will recognise the UK has a problem and do something about it. And only then will things, maybe, start to change for the better.
There was a junior minister (didn't recognise him) on Sky News explaining that it was 'really quite simple' and that they could just go onto a website to declare the movement of goods and fees. Customs could then just drop in to merchants. Simple see
That isn't what she or the article says though is it? Have you read it? She says she is "more sympathetic" to why people voted to leave after experiencing the hardship of life in a community that she previously had not. It was the more interesting part of the piece - much more so than the xenophobe who simply wants less foreigners. We know all about them but it was The Guardian so we get the picture of him with his flag.
Understanding the behaviour of people doesn't have to involve agreeing with it in anyway whatsoever.
It can get a lot worse for them. I do understand the feeling of helplessness and wanting to basically stick two fingers up at the "elite" in London. But as bad as it gets for the "elite" the hardest hit will be those in the poorer communities anyway. They're basically fecking themselves over too.
I have read it and that's basically what is being implied. She moved out of London and saw what the community is like so is more sympathetic to Leavers. Which makes zero sense. Because why would seeing their hardship make you more sympathetic to Brexit? As if Brexit is somehow going to improve their lot?
Good post
I really dont get the whole "london elite" thing, its a fantasy.
99% of Londoners are like everyone else in the UK except they have bigger mortgages and smaller houses.
99% of Londoners are like everyone else in the UK except they have bigger mortgages and smaller houses.
Of course it can. Im saying that is the sentiment behind it, not that the sentiment is correct.
There are jobs. There is a community. There are young people.
You have small towns where people have zero prospect of finding work, so as soon as people are old enough to get the hell out, if they have the means to get the hell out, they do. Making life more depressing for the people who are left behind.
Where do they go? London. As well as Manchester, Birmingham, Edinburgh etc. All the places that voted Remain.
I repeat...understanding behaviour and having insight into it doesn't necessarily mean that you either agree with it or find it to be rational. No where has she said she herself thinks Brexit would improve anything. I live in an area that voted 70% for Brexit. I understand why people voted that way. I didn't, and I think they're wrong, but I have sympathy for why they have voted the way they did. I understand what it is that many people fear and what it is that they hoped to achieve by voting the way that they did whilst simultaneously disagreeing with that view and thinking that there are better ways to address the issues at hand.
It doesn't make anyone an "idiot".
I understand that, but it doesnt make Londoners "elite" though.