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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Adisa said:
Why is it the EU that needs to move? Ireland want the backstop, they are backing their member?
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Because that’s the only way parliament will pass it. That is also why no deal should be on the table and not taken off. Ireland would be fecked in a no deal scenario.
 
So in a worst case scenario, its 30th of March and nothing has changed type situation, is there a parliamentary majority for anything at all?
 
Honest John said:
Because that’s the only way parliament will pass it. That is also why no deal should be on the table and not taken off. Ireland would be fecked in a no deal scenario.
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What is the alternative to the backstop?
 
"British people will remember these events". What the feck are we going to do?
 
JPRouve said:
What is the alternative to the backstop?
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Regulatory alignment. That would be the backbone of the trade deal. A customs union by any other name. Wider trade deals will have to be sacrificed or at least constrained to conform to the agreed regulatory accord.
 
Honest John said:
Regulatory alignment. That would be the backbone of the trade deal. A customs union by any other name. Wider trade deals will have to be sacrificed or at least constrained to conform to the agreed regulatory accord.
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That's not an alternative to the backstop. You are here talking about a deal that doesn't exist, alignments that have no reality, no scope, no legal framework. How long will it take to draft it, what happens while we draft it, what happens if the UK change its governance during negotiations?
 
Adisa said:
"British people will remember these events". What the feck are we going to do?
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I think we should have a street party every year with bunting, cakes and tea. It shall be "Life after Brexit" day and anyone left who still has a job can have a holiday?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
If nothing has changed, the UK have left the EU with no deal.
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Im saying its the day before that happening - do you think any of the parties would start crossing their various red lines to get something through? Do you think if the leader did would the party follow?
 
JPRouve said:
That's not an alternative to the backstop. You are here talking about a deal that doesn't exist, alignments that have no reality, no scope, no legal framework. How long will it take to draft it, what happens while we draft it, what happens if the UK change its governance during negotiations?
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All that can be resolved in time. The referendum result is not going to be overturned. People need to get used to it. I hate it as much as most here. But it is what it is and now we have to make the best and move forward. As pointless as it may seem they should put a time limit on the backstop and then work their tits off to get the deal done before it ends. Stupid I know but this whole thing is stupid. Trying to reverse this will be more of a disaster for the UK than rolling with it now. I fear that some on here underestimate that.
 
Honest John said:
All that can be resolved in time. The referendum result is not going to be overturned. People need to get used to it. I hate it as much as most here. But it is what it is and now we have to make the best and move forward. As pointless as it may seem they should put a time limit on the backstop and then work their tits off to get the deal done before it ends. Stupid I know but this whole thing is stupid. Trying to reverse this will be more of a disaster for the UK than rolling with it now. I fear that some on here underestimate that.
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So basically just get on with it?
 
Honest John said:
All that can be resolved in time. The referendum result is not going to be overturned. People need to get used to it. I hate it as much as most here. But it is what it is and now we have to make the best and move forward. As pointless as it may seem they should put a time limit on the backstop and then work their tits off to get the deal done before it ends. Stupid I know but this whole thing is stupid. Trying to reverse this will be more of a disaster for the UK than rolling with it now. I fear that some on here underestimate that.
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The entire process hasn't been negotiated in good faith. No ones going to give you the benefit of the doubt on the backstop or anything else. Not when you could have a JRM led government a month after the deal who decides to unilaterally pull you out. Its a non starter
 
Honest John said:
All that can be resolved in time. The referendum result is not going to be overturned. People need to get used to it. I hate it as much as most here. But it is what it is and now we have to make the best and move forward. As pointless as it may seem they should put a time limit on the backstop and then work their tits off to get the deal done before it ends. Stupid I know but this whole thing is stupid. Trying to reverse this will be more of a disaster for the UK than rolling with it now. I fear that some on here underestimate that.
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I don't think that you understand what the withdrawal agreement and the backstop are about. It's about your first sentence, about what happens between now and "in time". It has nothing to do with overturning the referendum.
 
No one is interested in more fudges and muddling through and seeing what happens, were past that. Its not the basis for an agreement
 
sullydnl said:
How much does the mainland UK actually care about NI though? It seems like there are MPs who, if promised that the violence would be contained within NI, would readily accept that as the price of Brexit.
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I think if you asked the average Joe who voted for Brexit the majority would also take that deal imo.

Honest John said:
All that can be resolved in time. The referendum result is not going to be overturned. People need to get used to it. I hate it as much as most here. But it is what it is and now we have to make the best and move forward. As pointless as it may seem they should put a time limit on the backstop and then work their tits off to get the deal done before it ends. Stupid I know but this whole thing is stupid. Trying to reverse this will be more of a disaster for the UK than rolling with it now. I fear that some on here underestimate that.
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We know the disastrous implication of a no deal brexit, how do you think reversing the referendum would end up being worse?
 
caid said:
Im saying its the day before that happening - do you think any of the parties would start crossing their various red lines to get something through? Do you think if the leader did would the party follow?
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Ah I see, the UK are due to leave on the 29th. If there is going to be something towards the end of the process I would think it would have to be well before that. But there are so many factions within each party I don't see how there can be an agreement.
You never know though and at the last minute the UK said, Ok we'll sign the Withdrawal Agreement or we'll revoke A50 the EU would probably agree.
 
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Stanley Road said:
Based on what historic data?
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Why do you specify 'historic' data? The we know the disastrous implication of a no deal brexit comes from educated predictions, I can't offer you historical data as there has never been a no deal brexit, the closest thing would be pointing to the reasons why we joined the EU in the first place.

How do you think a no deal brexit would go?
 
JPRouve said:
I don't think that you understand what the withdrawal agreement and the backstop are about. It's about your first sentence, about what happens between now and "in time". It has nothing to do with overturning the referendum.
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No you don’t understand. There will be no deal without some flexibility on the backstop. Blithely suggesting that it’s a mess so let’s just stop it is naive. There will be an outcry. And much as I do not like the situation I am starting to get pissed off with the EU. What is this? The fecking Hotel California? What is the point of A50 if it can never be enacted without the leaver suffering severe punitive consequence? Ireland will be much worse off with a no deal so they need to move. And now I hear fecking Blair is tramping around Europe canvassing every man and his dog to hold firm because a 2nd referendum is inevitable.
 
Honest John said:
No you don’t understand. There will be no deal without some flexibility on the backstop. Blithely suggesting that it’s a mess so let’s just stop it is naive. There will be an outcry. And much as I do not like the situation I am starting to get pissed off with the EU. What is this? The fecking Hotel California? What is the point of A50 if it can never be enacted without the leaver suffering severe punitive consequence? Ireland will be much worse off with a no deal so they need to move. And now I hear fecking Blair is tramping around Europe canvassing every man and his dog to hold firm because a 2nd referendum is inevitable.
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Are you against a second referendum?
 
Drifter said:
Labour calls for vote in Commons on holding second referendum

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-vote-in-commons-on-holding-second-referendum
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See the unicorns are still there

The cross-party group, supported by dozens of Labour MPs, posed five questions that it believes Corbyn’s Brexit model struggles to answer, escalating tensions between campaigners and the party’s leadership.

A 16-page evaluation placed Labour’s plan on a par with both the no-deal option supported by hard Brexit Tories and the Norway-plus customs union alternative, in that they were no better than pledges made by the leave campaign at the time of the EU referendum.

“All three alternative plans,” the analysis added “share many similarities with the arguments made for Brexit in 2016 when big promises were made with little regard for what could actually be delivered.”
 
Honest John said:
No you don’t understand. There will be no deal without some flexibility on the backstop. Blithely suggesting that it’s a mess so let’s just stop it is naive. There will be an outcry. And much as I do not like the situation I am starting to get pissed off with the EU. What is this? The fecking Hotel California? What is the point of A50 if it can never be enacted without the leaver suffering severe punitive consequence? Ireland will be much worse off with a no deal so they need to move. And now I hear fecking Blair is tramping around Europe canvassing every man and his dog to hold firm because a 2nd referendum is inevitable.
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Why? This is all a mess of our own making. Why trigger Article 50 if we had no idea how the feck we were going to solve these problems?
 
Honest John said:
No you don’t understand. There will be no deal without some flexibility on the backstop. Blithely suggesting that it’s a mess so let’s just stop it is naive. There will be an outcry. And much as I do not like the situation I am starting to get pissed off with the EU. What is this? The fecking Hotel California? What is the point of A50 if it can never be enacted without the leaver suffering severe punitive consequence? Ireland will be much worse off with a no deal so they need to move. And now I hear fecking Blair is tramping around Europe canvassing every man and his dog to hold firm because a 2nd referendum is inevitable.
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He is 100% correct.
The Uk should have thought of that before voting to Leave.

None of the other EU countries has the GFA apart from Ireland.
 
Honest John said:
All that can be resolved in time. The referendum result is not going to be overturned. People need to get used to it. I hate it as much as most here. But it is what it is and now we have to make the best and move forward. As pointless as it may seem they should put a time limit on the backstop and then work their tits off to get the deal done before it ends. Stupid I know but this whole thing is stupid. Trying to reverse this will be more of a disaster for the UK than rolling with it now. I fear that some on here underestimate that.
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Why? Because half the population will be furious about what the government has done to the future of their country? How is that different to the current situation?!?

And at least their upset won’t have added spice from the whole economic suicide thing.
 
Honest John said:
No you don’t understand. There will be no deal without some flexibility on the backstop. Blithely suggesting that it’s a mess so let’s just stop it is naive. There will be an outcry. And much as I do not like the situation I am starting to get pissed off with the EU. What is this? The fecking Hotel California? What is the point of A50 if it can never be enacted without the leaver suffering severe punitive consequence? Ireland will be much worse off with a no deal so they need to move. And now I hear fecking Blair is tramping around Europe canvassing every man and his dog to hold firm because a 2nd referendum is inevitable.
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The point of A50 is that you can leave the EU. No one is stopping Britain, no one is punishing them. The only problem for Britain is that a) the EU isn't as bad as the leave campaign made it out to be, so they want to leave, but don't really want to leave and b) no one in Britain had any idea what Brexit actually means or what the majority can agree on, even two years of negotiations they still don't. The biggest obstacle is the GFA, which has very little to do with the EU and a lot to do with a certain refusal to accept reality from British politicians.
 
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Cascarino said:
Are you against a second referendum?
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Yes I am. It will be an anathema to the people who voted leave what ever way it is diced and as for the questions, well you tell me.
It’s a disaster, but May’s deal with movement on the backstop is the best of all the shitty ideas.
 
Honest John said:
Yes I am. It will be an anathema to the people who voted leave what ever way it is diced and as for the questions, well you tell me.
It’s a disaster, but May’s deal with movement on the backstop is the best of all the shitty ideas.
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So what?

Brexit is an anathema to everyone else and clearly a disaster for Britain as a whole.
 
Honest John said:
No you don’t understand. There will be no deal without some flexibility on the backstop. Blithely suggesting that it’s a mess so let’s just stop it is naive. There will be an outcry. And much as I do not like the situation I am starting to get pissed off with the EU. What is this? The fecking Hotel California? What is the point of A50 if it can never be enacted without the leaver suffering severe punitive consequence? Ireland will be much worse off with a no deal so they need to move. And now I hear fecking Blair is tramping around Europe canvassing every man and his dog to hold firm because a 2nd referendum is inevitable.
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You are all over the place here. The UK took a decision that goes against an other agreement that they have with ROI and NI, that's why they need a backstop. There are no punitive consequences unless if you consider respecting deals as punitive. It's amazing that the UK take a decision but refuses to accept its consequences and blame everyone under the sun for it.
 
do.ob said:
Are you for real? The point of A50 is that you can leave the EU. No one is stopping Britain, no one is punishing them. The only problem for Britain is that a) the EU isn't as bad as the leave campaign made it out to be, so they want to leave, but don't really want to leave and b) no one in Britain had any idea what Brexit actually means or what the majority can agree on, even two years of negotiations they still don't.
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This is going round in circles with the same old silly boy argument. It won’t solve anything. The eu agreed a WA, with some other arrangement on the backstop it passes parliament. If they are serious then bloody well talk about it. No deal is the default legal position and May won’t take it off the table. So Ireland needs to think about it.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
See the unicorns are still there

The cross-party group, supported by dozens of Labour MPs, posed five questions that it believes Corbyn’s Brexit model struggles to answer, escalating tensions between campaigners and the party’s leadership.

A 16-page evaluation placed Labour’s plan on a par with both the no-deal option supported by hard Brexit Tories and the Norway-plus customs union alternative, in that they were no better than pledges made by the leave campaign at the time of the EU referendum.

“All three alternative plans,” the analysis added “share many similarities with the arguments made for Brexit in 2016 when big promises were made with little regard for what could actually be delivered.”
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This is the shadow housing minister
 
Honest John said:
This is going round in circles with the same old silly boy argument. It won’t solve anything. The eu agreed a WA, with some other arrangement on the backstop it passes parliament. If they are serious then bloody well talk about it. No deal is the default legal position and May won’t take it off the table. So Ireland needs to think about it.
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You don't even know that if the backstop was changed , which it won't and can't be, it would pass parliament. It still probably wouldn't.
 
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