DUP don't care about that at all.
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DUP don't care about that at all.
Presumably in the manifesto there would be a policy ref brexit ... MPs who won't sign up will potentially be deselected so in theory if they win a majority those mps will feel largely compelled to back the manifesto policy
That said Jacob Boris Davies etc might sign up for the new brexit means brexit party so it could totally backfire on may
Yes , it cannot be time limited , it's an insurance policy if no realistic solution can be found in the future. Until one is found it has to stay in existence and no-one can say when or if that will be.
Why is it the EU that needs to move? Ireland want the backstop, they are backing their member?
Yep, a time limit would make a backstop utterly pointless.
So basically we are where we were nearly 3 years ago. With remainers asking how they will resolve the NI border issue and still gettting nothing but soundbites in return.
Even with the backstop magically resolved It's not 100% that her deal gets approved.
Approved subject to a referendum perhaps
Approved subject to a referendum perhaps
Cheers lads, i thought i must have been way off in my understanding of it because of all the talk about renegotiating it. It's scary that a random person like me does understand it and elected members of parliament don't seem to or pretend that they don't. Don't know which is worse.
As we know over here mate they seem to care about very little beyond their own agenda.
Yes pretty much so, problem is there are now only 67 days left and all sides of the house are still trying to agree on something, most of which won't be agreed by the EU anyway.
The truly fecked up part about the backstop is the way the UK is portraying it as if it’s some unreasonable Irish demand. If the Good Friday agreement falls apart, and the violence restarts it’s going to be primarily in Northern Ireland not Ireland where the bombings and killings take place. Last I checked Northern Ireland was still part of the UK.
The same Northern Ireland that voted to stay in the EU, lest we forget.
How much does the mainland UK actually care about NI though? It seems like there are MPs who, if promised that the violence would be contained within NI, would readily accept that as the price of Brexit.
And yet their only representatives in westminster, are the leave crew.
You couldn't make it up.
I can only hope that what the DUP are currently engaged in is not forgotten by the majority of people in NI (some of who would be DUP supporters) in the next elections and they get ripped to shreds. Sadly I fear that won't happen.
Most of them probably just see NI as a financial burden and nothing else.
I don't think they give a crap.
That's the worst part, it's as if their will doesn't matter. It's also strange to see EU members show more solidarity to ROI than the UK to NI, it doesn't even make sense from an historical standpoint.
I do not understand this. The current government ran a campaign on the slogan " strong an stable" yet she has had 10 cabinet minister resign (and many more lesser figures) in less than 2 years, suffered the largest defeat in HoC history on a bill it said was the most important in their lifetime to implement a referendum result that was built on lies and deception.
And these people actually tell us a vote would damage democracy. The utter cheek.
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It's mainly because the EU wants to be seen as a united front who protect their members, I don't think they actually particularly give a shit about Ireland, we are just the best negotiating tool they have available. The UK however never even seemed to consider NI in the lead up to the referendum and now they don't have a clue what to do.
That is quite simply because there is no plan B. This is just more delaying tactics and posturing.
The only thing that I can see sufficient common ground on is to agree to legislate to prevent a NO DEAL exit.
That could bring in more Labour support which at the end of the day will be necessary unless Mrs May can get total backing from her party and the DUP.
I for one am of the opinion that UK politics is in need of a bit of a shakeup. Thought it would happen after the Scottish indyref, but was clearly sorely mistaken.
There was a Guardian article earlier by a NI guy who worked at Downing Street before and after the referendum. He said NI was irrelevant to the lot of them.
Think it's called Project Fear.
Quite.
While it is to a degree understandable that the opposition are pushing for a GE (and by the way the Tories would do the very same thing) it is actually the very last thing the country needs at this point in time.
To be able to make any headway we have to unite as a country.
While split as badly we are making it so easy for the EU.
When history looks back at this shambles it will recall the stupidity of the government for not trying to fashion a united position.
Some will say that was not possible but I disagree. British people have a history of being able to unite when faced with a crisis.
I think he misunderstood that. The slide says the border could handle 13-25% of the current traffic with the rules resulting out of no deal, not that traffic would drop to that.
So easy for the EU to do what ?
It's the same thing.
No. If the traffic fell to 13-25% you could do with facilities that can handle 13-25%. If you have facilities for 13-25% but 75% still try to get across those facilities it will be chaos.
Edit: In fairness, you're saying it will be bad, I'm saying it will be worse. Given that you're already saying it will be doom it is effectively the same thing.
I had the same reflection but I see it as a Us vs Them type of mentality, more than a simple act.
Well yes but that means the food supply and all the rest dries up. The Uk are importing and exporting goods for a reason.
To negotiate a withdrawal bill with us that has been so comprehensively rejected and still say that they are not prepared to make any changes or concessions.
You may well say - why should they move when it is us who are leaving their club.
My response would be that they are concerned about others following us out and that is why they are so ridgid.
Remember. There will be life after Brexit and the British people will remember these events.
You do know that the UK Government negotiates for the UK and agreed to withdrawal bill? It just couldn't get the backing to deliver on it's word.
This sounds like an argument from a Leaver from two years ago.
The withdrawal agreement can't change only the political declaration
No- other country is even close to thinking of leaving and if the UK leaves with no deal .....
Sounds like a threat.
What concessions should be made? Also what british people are supposed to remember?
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Well done for stating the bleeding obvious.
like that means somethingProbably, not sure how that helps us though. The reason as to why they're being rigid is fairly irrelevant if we're fecked either way. The British people will remember and their primary memory's going to be the stupidity of the government throughout the entire process.
What they should remember is their own stupidity and the incompetence of their own government
May doesnt even want to do that!