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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Buster15 said:
That is kind of them (not).
The EU will almost anything to stop the UK leaving.

I voted to remain but I fully accept the vote and see no reason for a second referendum.
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Maybe but it may be necessary for there to be a second referendum, if parliament is incapable of deciding how to leave. Someone has to decide.

May's wretched red lines are the reason why we are having so much trouble leaving, not the EU. The UK screwed this one up.
 
There shouldn’t be another Referendum
Maticmaker said:
It was a binary choice initially, Leave or Remain and nothing has really changed, except we have had two years or more of smoke and mirrors from the whole UK Parliament (all sides) who found itself blindsided by the outcome of the referendum and no idea what to do!

The whole idea of any 'deal' was a nonsense dreamed up, by mainly UK politicians to placate the public. In fairness the EU made it clear from the outset there would not be any discussions, or negotiations on trade until the UK had left the EU.

We will Leave on the 29th March without any deal, unless May's Government cancels Brexit completely and we Remain in the EU.

Its still a binary choice
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Yep.

Why a true “People’s Vote” is unworkable
 
Maticmaker said:
It was a binary choice initially, Leave or Remain and nothing has really changed, except we have had two years or more of smoke and mirrors from the whole UK Parliament (all sides) who found itself blindsided by the outcome of the referendum and no idea what to do!

The whole idea of any 'deal' was a nonsense dreamed up, by mainly UK politicians to placate the public. In fairness the EU made it clear from the outset there would not be any discussions, or negotiations on trade until the UK had left the EU.

We will Leave on the 29th March without any deal, unless May's Government cancels Brexit completely and we Remain in the EU.

Its still a binary choice
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In hindsight it's easy to come to that conclusion, but at least in theory I don't think this was the inevitable outcome. We/you got here, because politicians from all sides are fundamentally dishonest and sold out their country for personal gain. The hardcore Brexiters with their "project fear", "it's going to be fine", "they need us more than we need them", "we've got the whole world to trade with" delusions designed to mislead the public. May/the goverment in negotiating a hopeless deal and wasting another month by postponing the vote (I'd really like to know at what point they knew her deal was stillborn and just kept going on with it regardless). Labour by pretending they can somehow just re-negotiate a better deal and from what it seems mainly being interested in forcing an election to put themselves in power.
 
MancunianAngels said:
There shouldn’t be another Referendum

Yep.

Why a true “People’s Vote” is unworkable
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That logic may look good on paper but it's politically untenable.

Very few voted in the expectation we'd crash out and that's explicitly not what was promised - so leaving like that doesn't respect the vote. And staying in doesn't respect the result. if Parliament can;t pick a solution then someone else has to decide.
 
The EU will negotiate for a sensible solution but the backstop is not going to change. No unicorns from Corbyn.

Which means they stay in the customs union and/or Single Market but of course paying and being subject to the necessary rules, and we know what they are.

In other words parliament have got to come to an agreement to decide what it wants.

Good luck with that.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
The EU will negotiate for a sensible solution but the backstop is not going to change. No unicorns from Corbyn.

Which means they stay in the customs union and/or Single Market but of course paying and being subject to the necessary rules, and we know what they are.

In other words parliament have got to come to an agreement to decide what it wants.

Good luck with that.
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Adding the single market and customs union and free movement to the deal makes it just remaining without an exit clause or votes in how the union operates. No need for the backstop as the whole UK will be permanently in anyway. People who want Brexit will see straight through it and remainers will say why even bother?

Just another farce like the WA so politicians can say we "delivered Brexit" whilst lying through there teeth!

Hopefully that will be debated out in parliament and ultimately it will come down to no deal v withdrawing article 50.
 
Kentonio said:
What pisses me off is that while I totally understand people's desire to send a protest vote against a system they consider deeply unfair, the stupid cnuts then keep repeatedly voting the Tories back into power.
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Couldn’t agree more, and what’s worse than the stupidity of the general public is that when asked to clarify why, it’s allways trash like “Corbyn is unelectable” without stating why. I’m really starting to detest my country at this point.

Seems like the everyday joe is becoming more than just a useful idiot of the right’s propaganda machine but actually managing to further the narrative.
 
Smores said:
Merkel saying there's still time to negotiate
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The rest of the sentence is the most important:"but we are now waiting to see what the British Prime Minister proposes.".
 
Mb194dc said:
Adding the single market and customs union and free movement to the deal makes it just remaining without an exit clause or votes in how the union operates. No need for the backstop as the whole UK will be permanently in anyway. People who want Brexit will see straight through it and remainers will say why even bother?

Just another farce like the WA so politicians can say we "delivered Brexit" whilst lying through there teeth!

Hopefully that will be debated out in parliament and ultimately it will come down to no deal v withdrawing article 50.
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Yes agreed. It all boils down at the end of the day to No Deal v No Brexit - Who will revoke A50 though - don't notice any likely candidates.
 
JPRouve said:
The rest of the sentence is the most important:"but we are now waiting to see what the British Prime Minister proposes.".
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Yeah it's already been established that they've got the best deal they can... with May's ridiculous red lines. The EU would be open to negotiate if they felt it was an actual negotiation and not May standing firm on her demands and expecting the EU to concede on other things.
 
Oo0AahCantona said:
Couldn’t agree more, and what’s worse than the stupidity of the general public is that when asked to clarify why, it’s allways trash like “Corbyn is unelectable” without stating why. I’m really starting to detest my country at this point.

Seems like the everyday joe is becoming more than just a useful idiot of the right’s propaganda machine but actually managing to further the narrative.
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Because he’s a horrible terrorist supporting creep of a man who has no idea how to run the Labour Party let alone the country. As for his his is right hand man McDonnell, well a few pages back are a couple of links.
As for Tom Watson, enough said. He is kept very quiet, do you really want to travel back to the 70’s?
That is why labour are not fit to be voted in and I couldn’t vote for them until they are gone. Also can you honestly see Abbot holding office? They are a bloody laughing stock.

The Tories are a shambles as well mind you and both parties need a damn good clear out, I’ve never seen such a shower in Westminster in all my life. I might, for the first time ever not bother voting next time, a sad time in politics.
 
Pexbo said:
Yeah it's already been established that they've got the best deal they can... with May's ridiculous red lines. The EU would be open to negotiate if they felt it was an actual negotiation and not May standing firm on her demands and expecting the EU to concede on other things.
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Yup, it's even clearer when you look at what Heiko Mass says, he said that delaying Brexit would only make sense if there is an actual chance to reach an agreement which at this point in time is unlikely, he added that he doesn't believe that there is actual room for negotiation anyway.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Yes agreed. It all boils down at the end of the day to No Deal v No Brexit - Who will revoke A50 though - don't notice any likely candidates.
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Someone like Grieve who wouldn't particular care about the consequences and once a second referendum is looking tricky as he's on that track already.

Also need the other options laid out clearly first regarding any renegotiation that it will just being remaining with the 4 freedoms without a vote.

Didn't get there yet.
 
Brexit committee has voted for a statement demanding indicative votes to take place in the commons.

If only May had some kind of cross-party panel she could reach out to.....oh wait
 
Oo0AahCantona said:
Couldn’t agree more, and what’s worse than the stupidity of the general public is that when asked to clarify why, it’s allways trash like “Corbyn is unelectable” without stating why. I’m really starting to detest my country at this point.

Seems like the everyday joe is becoming more than just a useful idiot of the right’s propaganda machine but actually managing to further the narrative.
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I dunno. If people won’t vote for Corbyn, then Labour must ditch him for someone they will vote for. At some point if labour want to govern they have to act like it.
 
Buster15 said:
That is kind of them (not).
The EU will almost anything to stop the UK leaving.

I voted to remain but I fully accept the vote and see no reason for a second referendum.
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That's not the view I'm seeing in this part of the EU...

There was a bit of worry and what if when the vote first happened, but since then the Euro hasn't crashed, any talk of others leaving has died down and life has pretty much carried on as normal for the rest of Europe. They'd certainly like us to stay, but they aren't going to bend over backwards to help us do it. The EU don't need us the way we like to think they do.
 
Sassy Colin said:
So basically, you're not bothered, remain or leave?
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So. I am not bothered.
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear.

I voted to remain.
The majority vote was to leave.
I accept the majority vote and see no reason for a second referendum.

Hope that is clear.
 
11101 said:
That's not the view I'm seeing in this part of the EU...

There was a bit of worry and what if when the vote first happened, but since then the Euro hasn't crashed, any talk of others leaving has died down and life has pretty much carried on as normal for the rest of Europe. They'd certainly like us to stay, but they aren't going to bend over backwards to help us do it. The EU don't need us the way we like to think they do.
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The EU weren’t going to make it easy - why should they - but we fecked this up by ourselves. We played a bad hand poorly.
 
11101 said:
That's not the view I'm seeing in this part of the EU...

There was a bit of worry and what if when the vote first happened, but since then the Euro hasn't crashed, any talk of others leaving has died down and life has pretty much carried on as normal for the rest of Europe. They'd certainly like us to stay, but they aren't going to bend over backwards to help us do it. The EU don't need us the way we like to think they do.
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You have heard D Tusk latest comment.

Of course they want us to remain.
Why do you think they are making it so difficult for Mrs May to get an improved Withdrawal Bill.
 
nickm said:
Maybe but it may be necessary for there to be a second referendum, if parliament is incapable of deciding how to leave. Someone has to decide.

May's wretched red lines are the reason why we are having so much trouble leaving, not the EU. The UK screwed this one up.
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Not only the red lines.
It was her who proposed the Backstop.
 
Buster15 said:
You have heard D Tusk latest comment.

Of course they want us to remain.
Why do you think they are making it so difficult for Mrs May to get an improved Withdrawal Bill.
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Because they have no incentive to. And we aren’t offering any.
 
Buster15 said:
You have heard D Tusk latest comment.

Of course they want us to remain.
Why do you think they are making it so difficult for Mrs May to get an improved Withdrawal Bill.
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Yes, of course they'd like us to remain. But they don't need us to so they wont capitulate to us on these negotiations. We're the desperate ones, not them.
 
Buster15 said:
You have heard D Tusk latest comment.

Of course they want us to remain.
Why do you think they are making it so difficult for Mrs May to get an improved Withdrawal Bill.
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What is the improved withdrawal bill?
 
Buster15 said:
So. I am not bothered.
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear.

I voted to remain.
The majority vote was to leave.
I accept the majority vote and see no reason for a second referendum.

Hope that is clear.
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So it doesn't bother you that the case for Leave was built on lies? That our whole country has been plunged into chaos due to the slenderest of margins?

Tell you what mate, I'm fecking angry.
 
She's definitely surviving this. Complete waste of time from Corbyn.
 
19 vote margin in the vote of confidence - the 10 grubby DUP votes bought it for them.

Interesting to see a parliament give a vote of confidence to a PM it has no confidence in.
 
Cascarino said:
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No you were right, it was close. If the DUP, who have no confidence in her or her deal but like her money, had voted the other way, she would have lost by 1.

Bribery in a public office?
 
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