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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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sun_tzu said:
I'm not sure all 27 will agree the time extension to do that... Especially macron
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Fairly sure they would if Brexit could be reversed. Point is article 50 can be revoked unilaterally. A referendum is a terrible idea anyway, result would never be accepted as May hasn't honourably tried to implement the first one.

The EU have realised parliament won't support no deal and the government will collapse if they try. Hence no renegotiation. I don't believe Corbyn wants no deal either even if he supports Brexit.

If no deal looks likely Corbyn can call a confidence vote and win it. Most Tory MPs don't support no deal, Boles already said he would resign the Whip and I'm certain there are a huge amount more.

Once Corbyn wins a confidence vote there are 14 days before a general. Unless half the house votes and passes a confidence motion in the same or a different government. I believe we could see a grand cross party no deal coalition in parliament win such a vote and then rescind article 50, or a labour led one. Labour could attempt to renegotiate, I believe the EU would say "no" though then the same outcome. Would have to be a general after that.
 
Cheesy said:


Brexit/Corbyn sending Rowling off the deep end.:lol:
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If you go on the media section of her Twitter that is all that's been on there since at least Novemeber
 
Significant numbers, as the BBC puts it, of illegal migrants crossing the channel to Britain, in December. Whilst this has nothing to do with EU freedom of movement, it may well have a lot to do with the result of a second referendum, if we have one.
 
711 said:
Significant numbers, as the BBC puts it, of illegal migrants crossing the channel to Britain, in December. Whilst this has nothing to do with EU freedom of movement, it may well have a lot to do with the result of a second referendum, if we have one.
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Absolutely nothing to do with the Tories continuously cutting the UK border force budget of course.

If we get a GE instead of a straight referendum I'd want Labour to promise a significant boost in funding for our border force. I'm sure that wouldn't satisfy the proper racists but perhaps it can convince some xenophobes that its a bigger step in getting control of our borders.
 
Smores said:
Absolutely nothing to do with the Tories continuously cutting the UK border force budget of course.

If we get a GE instead of a straight referendum I'd want Labour to promise a significant boost in funding for our border force. I'm sure that wouldn't satisfy the proper racists but perhaps it can convince some xenophobes that its a bigger step in getting control of our borders.
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I don't know whether such cuts have encouraged the new boat people or not. If there were better checks on ferries and airports wouldn't more migrants turn to the boats rather than fewer?

I agree with the rest, and if Labour wants to win elections that's the sort of thinking they need to do.
 
Smores said:
Absolutely nothing to do with the Tories continuously cutting the UK border force budget of course.

If we get a GE instead of a straight referendum I'd want Labour to promise a significant boost in funding for our border force. I'm sure that wouldn't satisfy the proper racists but perhaps it can convince some xenophobes that its a bigger step in getting control of our borders.
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Did the border force manage to stop small boats before and turn them around before? Thought this was a newish tactic of people buying small boats and the UK is actually picking them up but is unable to make them turn around due to laws no? We could have ring of boats around the UK but if one of these migrant boats turns up we have to bring them ashore and process them.
 
redshaw said:
Did the border force manage to stop small boats before and turn them around before? Thought this was a newish tactic of people buying small boats and the UK is actually picking them up but is unable to make them turn around due to laws no? We could have ring of boats around the UK but if one of these migrant boats turns up we have to bring them ashore and process them.
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I've heard a fair amount of these stories over the last few years so don't think it's that new of a tactic its just the Dover MP has chosen to make it bigger news this week. Whether he's any evidence to back up these claimsof criminal gangs or not is another question.

We only have a measly 2 patrol boats and have for a couple of years i gather largely due to funding cuts. There was a small storm about it last year.
 
John Redwood awarded a knighthood. This political system and the Royal family need to be binned.
 
The Queen standing in front of a golden grand piano telling people be happier is sure going to rub folks the right way....
 
Drifter said:
Britain's trade minister Liam Fox says 50 per cent chance Brexit may be stopped

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...nce-brexit-may-be-stopped-paper-idUSKCN1OS0OG
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I think this is just indicative of what's going to come out of government for the next two weeks...
Telling brexiteers it's mays deal or it might be remain
Telling remain MP's it's Mays deal or it might be a hard brexit
Probably testing other options (Norway, no deal, possibly even a second ref) and seeing All get voted down in parliment first.
Then the last option on the table is Mays deal and try to bully it through with threats and bribes.
Still probably fails though I think
 
I disagree with the nothings happening

The whips are hitting the phones hard (so I'm told )
People are starting to brief their arguments to the press (see fox and hunt today)
Apparently some MP's are starting to look cross party at options like extending A50
Peoples vote is increasing momentum
Corbyn is probably going to struggle to sit on the fence too Much longer
Next week is briefings and back room haggling
The week after is a week long slog through the commons (I think she will try the non binding votes to show no majority in parliment for any deal)
Then the week after a vote.. then presumably constitutional crisis / calamity carnage
This next week it will be interesting to see what people are prepared to publicly commit themselves to (or rule out)

Certainly this idea that there is another deal to be negotiated is not going to survive the debate given the noises coming from the EU

https://amp.theguardian.com/politic...-to-get-its-act-together-jean-cleaude-juncker
 
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In the Sunday Telegraph, Gavin Williamson, the defence secretary, declared that Britain, far from retreating into indigent introspection, will become a “true global player” after 29 March 2019, with military bases all over the world. In the Mail on Sunday, meanwhile, Jeremy Hunt, the foreign secretary, invoked the economic success of Singapore since independence in 1965 as a blueprint “for us as we make our post-Brexit future”.

Against this backdrop we have learned more and more in recent weeks of what a no-deal outcome would entail – and none of it is good. The mass purchase of fridges by the NHS to keep medical supplies viable; advice to Britons to “vary their diets” in the event of food shortages; plans to deploy 3,500 troops on the streets:
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https://www.theguardian.com/comment...it-blitz-spirit-nostalgia-toxic-world-war-two

A company with no ships and which has not previously operated a service has been given a £13.9 million contract by the British government to run extra ferries as part of preparations for a no-deal Brexit.

The company aims to operate freight ferries from Ramsgate to the Belgian port of Ostend, beginning with two ships in late March and increasing to four by the end of the summer.

But a Conservative county councillor for the Kent port town said he did not believe it would be possible to set up a new service from Ramsgate by the scheduled date of Brexit on 29 March.
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https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1230/1019649-brexit-ferry-contract/

Lads and Ladies, as an Aussie with a huge british family history (current and past), and dual citizenship, i feel like it's my duty as an extended family member to hold an intervention to inform you that your leaders have no clue what they are doing and you are being led into economic hardship for no reason. :confused:
 
WPMUFC said:
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...it-blitz-spirit-nostalgia-toxic-world-war-two



https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1230/1019649-brexit-ferry-contract/

Lads and Ladies, as an Aussie with a huge british family history (current and past), and dual citizenship, i feel like it's my duty as an extended family member to hold an intervention to inform you that your leaders have no clue what they are doing and you are being led into economic hardship for no reason. :confused:
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It's not for no reason, some people want a blue passport
 
711 said:
Significant numbers, as the BBC puts it, of illegal migrants crossing the channel to Britain, in December. Whilst this has nothing to do with EU freedom of movement, it may well have a lot to do with the result of a second referendum, if we have one.
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How many numbers was it in the end? Read something like 33 people which seems a lot for the media to get their knickers in a twist about given the overall problem of the refugee crisis.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Sounds very professional - I wonder if they've thought about employing customs officers etc and building the necessary infrastructure at Ramsgate and other ports. Hopefully they've also thought about how they go about obtaining the necessary licences for the trucks/drivers. Seeing as there is less than 90 days to go in case of no deal they'd better get their skates on.
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Apparently you need unconventional size ferries to operate in that port too.
 
711 said:
So you think it's a non-event as far as a possible people's vote goes then?
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No idea, I just wondered if it was an actual issue or a storm in a teacup? Clearly anything can be an event related to immigration if that’s all some people care about.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Apparently you need unconventional size ferries to operate in that port too.
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Yes... Though you could quite easily build A temporary roro to facilitate more standard ferries I think in another part of the port
Most possibly you switch out the ferries that fit from other routes that you backfill with standard sizes though... That said I'd be more than happy to build some temporary roro's if the price is right
 
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