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I think 2016-18 has probably put me off British politicians for a lifetime. My Dad’s so bitter that he dislikes everyone, I’m struggling to see how you can take an alternative view.
I suspect she knows that... But stringing out enough to rule out any other options before putting it to the commons that they either vitevfir her deal or its no deal... she might even be prepared to allow a referendum with the options her deal or no deal
Then quit at the start of April and leave Boris etc to negotiate the deal...
FFS the state of UK politics
Live in Scotland.
They are playing up those 117 votes but it still feels like a massive win for her, all things considered.
fecking amazing how many politicians are still calling for more votes on everything except the one thing that matters.
fecking amazing how many politicians are still calling for more votes on everything except the one thing that matters.
Massive is a huge stretch. This can’t help her position in the UK or in Europe.
They voted her in in 2016 and now they decided they wanted another vote but the people aren't allowed another vote.
I'm sure that irony has been mentioned already
I'm sure that irony has been mentioned already
It has
Tory fan tv is going to be lit tonight though
Rees- Moog: "Fam, Fam, Family listen, my emotions tonight are a smorgasbord of anger and disappointment fam-ily. She needs to resign blood. My wife thinks Theresa is the best person for the job! IS SHE MAD BLOOD? She needs to resign now fam-ily. Go to the queen and resign blood.
Peter Bone: "I'm tired Robbie, it's not acceptable anymore, it's time to go, it's time to fecking go"
Rees- Moog: "Fam, Fam, Family listen, my emotions tonight are a smorgasbord of anger and disappointment fam-ily. She needs to resign blood. My wife thinks Theresa is the best person for the job! IS SHE MAD BLOOD? She needs to resign now fam-ily. Go to the queen and resign blood.
Peter Bone: "I'm tired Robbie, it's not acceptable anymore, it's time to go, it's time to fecking go"
Yeah, never mind democracy, I think Brexit has well and truly wrecked what little faith I had in politicians.
Labour / Richard Burgon still saying they're going to renegotiate with the EU and get a better deal ie the unicorn deal.
No deal is a certainty surely.
No deal is a certainty surely.
Win?
It is a further weakening of her already weakened position as over half of all Tory backbenchers voted against her. She is now totally at the mercy of the cabinet.
Normally she would be gone and a GE would soon follow. These are not normal times though.
No deal or a GE and a delay or revocation of A50 as an outside chance.
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A GE might even give Tories a bigger majority and the leader may well be a Hard Brexiter.
Labour don't seem any more keen on a referendum than the Tories nor revoking A50.
You could have all that and be back in the same place as the UK is now in a few months time.
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Well, what a wasted day that was.
Could be. Who knows these days?
Labor are paralysed by fear.
I'd hardly call it a massive win.
She's surrendered her leadership for the next election because she's accepted the fact that her party doesn't believe they can win with her as leader.
How many people changed their vote because of that?
A third of her party doesn't believe in her.
Her deal, that she has put all her faith in, has no chance of getting through the commons.
She is in a desperately bad situation.
Feels like UK politics is in such a weird place that whoever instigates a ge might end up a big loser due to protest votes. No one has a clue what to do anymore
It’s condescending attitudes like this that were a massive factor in leave winning the referendum.
Was sat on a train home (I do live in Tory lands) and when 9 hit, I heard "ahh, great news she won" then about 4 other random people chirped up discussing it in elation. Couple of older ladies tarted saying how if there was a vote they'd get rid of Scotland out of the UK and that who cares about NI.
If there was any justice in the world she’d be getting locked up for that one.
I don't know why you think that her saying she might not run, has swung many votes. What happens in 4 years time is of little consequence now, I would have thought.
It's not her that's in a bad situation. It's the whole Tory party. There's no one that can come in and remedy this. The party doesn't have a parliamentary majority. On top of that its own MPS are (like the rest of the country) bitterly divided on the issue of Brexit, while the opposition is unified in wanting to reject any deal offered in order to force general elections. She's not in any worse shape than her replacement would be from day 1.
Oh zip it. Brexiteers and leavers lied 200 times a day every day of the year before and since the referendum, often in combination with insulting the EU and the countries that make it up.
Also if condescending attitudes lead you to vote for stupid things those attitudes are exactly what you deserve.
Would I be considered a fruitloop to say I hate Mrs May's clothing style? Her short jackets make her look horrendous.
Talk about going to the EU to get a legally binding limit to the backstop... then it's not a backstop, is it?
It's the principle that she needs to try and win confidence votes by seeking to assure her MPs that she won't lead the party in the next election. She's admitting the fact that she understands there is little confidence in her to lead the party to victory.
You don't find this significant?
Apparently she wanted to lead the party into the next election, but her advisers must have explained to her that, to be voted down now by her own party, would be a total humiliation to her personally. To avoid this, she was advised to concede her leadership at a later date.
Ok, but why is it Ok for the EU to put that border in the Irish Sea against the wishes of the Unionist but some how its an affront to all that's holy for the UK to be forced to put it on the former border against republican wishes as the GFA gives equal weight to both?
It's time burn Oxford and Cambridge to the ground. They've clearly failed several generations of undergraduates if this is what our leaders are up to.
That does not make me feel better at all Sultan?
No, but yes.
Simple fact, the UK has contributed more to the EU than has been spent in development funds over the past 30 years. The money has gone in developing Ireland, and eastern and southern Europe. I'm not arguing that this was a bad use of money. However there isn't a case to be made that the UK has benefited from infrastructural funding from EU projects
Catch yourself on. I don’t support Brexit so stop with the whataboutery regarding Brexiteers as I couldn’t care less what they said and people like Farage don’t represent me.
I was simply making the point that people like yourself dismissing others genuine concerns about the EU as nothing more than neanderthals grunting about “bleedin foreigners” and “take back control” are part of what allowed leave to win. People voted in protest (ok misguidedly) but because they are sick of the status quo.
In 2016 the tories had 330 seats, now they have 317.
It's a smaller proportion of her party backing her