Brilliant.
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Brilliant.
I'm oldish and I think old people can especially stupid at times. This is one of those times.
Im sure someone has already posted this, but here goes. Under EU rules we can already remove migrants that havent had a job for 3(?) months. We dont do so because the government is incompitent.
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Pretty sure it's three months.
What's condescending about my post, exactly? The poster I responded to was essentially saying that, was he not? Albeit in a far more eloquent and reasoned way than most Brexiteers. The problem however is that you can sugar coat these things all you want but ultimately it does come down to those basic phrases. His reasons for leaving the EU were essentially to "take back control". Just because it was a widely used phrase used by morons throughout the leave campaign doesn't make it any less true. He even said himself that he hates the phrase but didn't actually deny that it was in line with his thoughts.
Most of what he said was still outright false about Greece and the EU trying to create one big sovereign state and take power away from the UK anyway, just like what more leave campaigners say because in reality there are zero benefits to leaving the EU, they can all be rebuked with facts that show they're a load of bollocks.
Taking back control just means decentralisation of powers. Don’t see what’s so offensive about the phrase other than it’s been uttered by the extreme brexiteers but only a moron would be listening to them anyway.
I agree, there's nothing offensive about it nor claiming it's what a poster essentially wants, yet somehow it's condescending to use it because .. what .. Johnson and Farage used it during the campaign? Please.
If Piers Morgan said "sack Mourinho" I wouldn't suddenly go "well, err, no I don't want to sack him, that's a silly view, I just want him to.. not be here?"
Who said the North doesn't want it?
The DUP doesn't want it but they've weaseled their way into power as unelected representatives for NI during Brexit whose views are wrongly held up as those of the people.
I would imagine that all European countries have this kind of arrangement? In Italy you can stay for 90 days in one stretch - if you want to stay longer, you have to apply for residency which involves showing that you have enough money to support yourself and have a proper place of residence, amongst other requirements.
You could be right!
Exactly - all the normal folk in the north just don't want a hard border - if there is a border in the Irish sea that is no problem, in fact the backstop is a huge opportunity for NI generally imo.
You think? Why so?
not a trick question, I'm genuinely curious, I would have thought a split down the sea would still be a bit of a disaster for NI.
How about a referendum in Northern Ireland only, on the backstop.
Would the Dramaqueen Unionist Party go for that?
Would the Dramaqueen Unionist Party go for that?
Yeah it’s a bit strange. I don’t think many of the same people would argue about taking some control from Westminster and redistributing it to local authorities in the North, Wales etc.
There already is the makings of a regulatory border down the Irish sea with checks on livestock etc. at Northern Irish ports. The DUP haven't had any problem with the concept of such a border until now and the backstop would merely increase the level of those checks to protect what Northern Ireland producers can sell on into the EU while at the same time maintaining full access to the GB markets. It's a win win for the North and as such has the overwhelming backing from the Ulster Farmers Union and local business leaders.
It's not great of course - BREXIT in general is a disaster whatever way they do it - however having a border in the sea is a vastly better option than a hard border in Ireland. The best solution would be to not have BREXIT which most of us over here voted for.
No they wouldn't.
What I'm wondering though is that it may just be the border that doesn't exist but how will you keep up with Brussels Regulatory changes as part of the UK when attempting to sell produce and goods in to the EU?
It is the Tories who hate that idea
If there's a border in the sea I'm getting a job lot of waterproof balaclavas in for the lads.
I'm a Leftie and I don't like the idea. How can we be a United Kingdom with a border between us?
Few snorkels too?
We aren't a United Kingdom and never have been. We are England and a bunch of invade and conquered other countries.
A united Ireland would be entirely logical except that we deliberately moved a huge number of Protestant Scots to Northern Ireland who now, obviously, don't want to be part of a United Ireland. We really do know how to feck things up.
Basically we just don't play well with others.
We really do know how to shoot ourselves in the foot but it doesn't answer the issue. No-one has known the answer to uniting Ireland. Make the Protestants move to England?
I believe in self-determination but that won't happen, meanwhile the EU have always known the Backstop and a border between us was never going to be an option because it tied our hands behind our backs.
We can get rid of any EU citerzens that are here and don’t work with current EU laws but we don’t. What makes you think things will change when we leave?
Or bring the south back into the UK with devo-max for all.
Or bring the south back into the UK with devo-max for all.
I'm not sure the Irish would like that plan and I'm definitely not sure the British Army could take the Irish Army!They'd get the protection of our Nukes. What more could they ask for?
Oh, i thought Wilhelm van Orange was responsible for the protestant movement in ni?
I can't even begin to imagine. Lots.
TBF though the Irish did send quite a few of their own over to Scotland just to even things up. Without them we'd never have had the friendly rivalry between Rangers & Celtic. So it's not all bad is it ?
Yes. Yes it is.
He was King of England for 13 years.
We have fecked it up so badly there is no quick solution, just workarounds. But abandoing our responsibilites now, as seems to be happening now, is a moral disgrace. The EU aren't responsible for this clusterfeck. The British are.
It is though mate because the Good Friday Agreement is about the Island of Ireland.
Again mate the DUP are saying they won't agree to that but the DUP don't speak for everyone in NI, at this stage i have serious doubts if their views even align with the majority of Unionists on the matter. The majority of people here voted to stay in the EU, including many Unionists.
To my knowledge there is nothing in the GFA about Northern Ireland needing to have regulatory alignment with Britain. No doubt because it was probably assumed that Ireland and the UK would always be members of the EU and the same customs union.
I think the British government should face their responsibility to uphold the GFA, however they decide to do that is fine by me as long as they do it.
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To counter your sweeping generalisations with my own, I've always found Eastern Europeans hard working and reliable and never any bother. A Lithuanian did our bathroom and Romanians did our bedroom, both to a high standard for a competitive price. The scumbags I've met have tended to be English council estate folk.
Nothing to disagree with there Wibbs.
The Backstop is no workaround though. The EU knew that with it in place there will be no one for the UK to trade with until if ever we negotiate trade agreements with either the EU or those few countries with no current agreements with the EU. We cannot even trade under World Trade Organisation Tariffs.