What is it with this guy, And why do the media give him any airtime?
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What is it with this guy, And why do the media give him any airtime?
But the North doesn't agree to a border in the Irish Sea, and the agreement can't prevent the UK leaving if its people decide they want to leave the EU, CU and SM.
Unless you think the GFA means the UK can't ever leave them. Is that your point?
The whole thing seems to me a bit invented after the event which no one saw coming.
His point, which is completely true is that if people voted in protest, then it justifies the names they were called. It's the very essence of idiocy, or cutting your nose off to spite your face. What a normal person should have done, is separate the two, vote not in protest but for actual reasons they would stand behind, and deal with the name calling as a separate issue. Abandoning all logic and sense and chalking it up to a protest vote and then saying it's someone elses fault they did something is just stupidity and it doesn't excuse anyones actions.
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No. People voting leave is what allowed leave to win. Those who voted leave to stick it to people like me are beyond help anyway, there's no point in being super careful not to hurt their feelings, they don't give a flying feck about mine.
If people are fed up with status quo how about changing the status instead of creating an imaginary foe to blame all your woe's on? Now that I could respect...
This forum is full of leftists, so that's what you're gonna get.
I've found over the years that there are many older people who voted for brexit who have had enough of immigrants driving down wages, but on the other side there are a large amount of young people who voted remain simply because they're institutionalised, and don't actually know anything about the EU. Then there's the sincere voters on both sides. Most people on this forum are institutionalised young remainers, but not all.
Racist about t
The folk who think their wages have been driven down by immigrants are every bit as institutionalised as the young people you are on about.
young people who don't vote for the ruling party and have voted an antiestablishment figure to the leadership of the labour party are institutionalised sheep
ukip isn't sending us their best
ukip isn't sending us their best
Right, so what about all those areas voting Leave where there were barely any immigrants at all?
I heard all that last week when I was up at mum's in East Yorkshire (Haltemprice & Howden, wanker David Davis MP). Project fear, immigrants and controlling our own borders and laws were heavily repeated. It was tiresome and you can't fight ideology with logic when it comes to people in their 70s.
The Queen should just sack the lot of them
No quite frankly, I don't. Firstly she can renege on it and secondly I don't think it would matter one jot to these Tory MPs. If Brexit is botched, they will get obliterated in the next elections whoever the leader is.
So if verbal statements matter very little to both the person uttering them and the people who are the intended audience, why would I find it significant?
No, most people on this forum are younger people that are statistically more highly educated than the older folk. They seem to hate that, but it doesn't make it any less true. Brushing the younger generation off as 'institutionalised' is a bit of a weird sweeping brush to make, and almost smacks of bitterness.
What a horrible place to live.
Tbf blindly following any ideology, is sheep-like behaviour. Even one that is anti-establishment. On top of that student bases at most (probably all) Unis in this country are very left leaning, since we're talking about young people. So being anti-ruling party means little, in the context of being institutionalised, when it's placing you in the comfort of voting in line with the majority of your peers.
It's no difference to the BNP and NF complaining about the blacks and Asians stealing jobs. Just racism to hide thier own failings.
Most people who think like that, feel thier entitled to well paid work despite being under skilled, under educated, inexperienced and generally lazy.
If semi literate immigrants are making more money than you, it's your own fault. These people are capitalists when it suits them and then as soon as there is competition they want the state to end immigration to protect them.
Given that she's attempted to take every step up to now without parliament I think it's a possibility she revokes article 50 and resigns if she can't get her deal across the line. (Not saying that it will happen, but given the historical clusterfeck no deal would be I think it's a possibility).
With the Tories and Labour seemingly racing each other to see who is more useless, it’s a crying shame there is no third party who could come out and support remain and clean up in a GE.
Old people think young people are stupid. Young people think they know it all. All wankers if we’re being honest.
It really isn't and has been getting more right wing over the last few years.
You also don't need to be institutionalised, young or old to see that any form of Brexit is going to be incredibly damaging.
ah knew it was the unis what done it, getting shitfaced and last minute essays are basically points 1 and 2 in how to brainwash someone
I disagree, to quote somebody in another thread, the 'Caf is essentially a "left wing echo chamber"
Fair points, but answer me this. 4 towns off the top of my head local to me are literally full of eastern European immigrants. This is especially a problem in the two smaller town, in one of them they stand on the pavements all day long, shouting and roaring, very intimidating especially for women on their own, cheeky bastards too as I’ve heard of people catching them leaning on their cars etc when parked on the street. In another town the Romanians had to be chased out of it as they had been caught carrying out a spate of break-ins, the local catholic and the protestant churches were both done.
Now these people, the vast majority don’t seem to work, they but the government seem to be providing for them not a bother. Am I or is my local community racist for wanting something done about this blight?
It wouldn't be the EU putting a border anywhere, it would be the UK who could/would put a border in the Irish sea to preserve the Good Friday Agreement if/when the UK leaves the EU.
The Good Friday Agreement is about Northern Ireland and Ireland not Britain so different customs arrangements between NI and Britain wouldn't affect the agreement i don't think.
Plus i'm not sure how many unionists would actually be against a border in the Irish sea if it meant staying in the customs union and keeping things as they are now. Sure the DUP are against it but they are head bangers, that are going against the wishes of some prominent groups here like the Ulster Farmers Union and Northern Ireland business federations that wanted to go with Mays Brexit deal.
It's not a republican thing mate almost all the people in Ireland North & South are against a hard border.
The numbers in the GFA referendum were 78% in the North and 96% in the south, all those people voted yes to the GFA to have the current arrangements.
It will probably not surprise you that the DUP were the only party that campaigned for people to vote no to the Good Friday Agreement and peace.
Is this getting much coverage in Aus, Wib? Curious given the number of challenges to the various PMs over there in recent years, must seem like a routine occurrence.
I'm suffering the exact same problems. A lot of the Roma gypsies are utter scumbags. I just don't see how pigeon holing these people with hard working Poles and other Eastern Europeans helps? I also don't see why we have to wreck all the good things about the EU to sort out the riff raff?
I think;
1. Police could do a lot more. Move them on, put them in the cells if they argue, tackle street drinking, take a hard line zero nonsense approach. Get tough on modern slavery and prostitution (these lot are big into it).
2. Local councils could do more by being hard on anti social behaviour. Stop paying rent for anyone who is behaving in an anti social manner. Regularly inspect homes for overcrowding. Don't provide free translators to anyone.
3. They cause trouble across Europe, maybe there was a deal to be done Europe wide to refuse free movement to people with criminal records and deport those who commit crimes within 10 years of moving.
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For me the bottom line is trust. The EU might well be bad for us, but I don't trust the names and faces associated with Brexit to be working for a greater good.
It was all agreed and lodged with the United Nations in 1998 so it hasn't just been invented after the Brexit vote mate.
The truth probably is Cameron and the Tories never gave Northern Ireland a second thought when setting the referendum up in 2016. I certainly don't remember many if any of the British politicians talking about The GFA or the potential implications Brexit could have for Northern Ireland in the run up to the Referendum.
I would say thats definitely been the case mate, with most Tories it's probably a case of don't know or care about Ireland.
I've spoken to a few friends and guys i work with over the last few months from a similar background and some of them have came to feel that way.
Young people are naïve, old people should know better.
Aye, as a general rule it's usually safe to assume that people in mainland UK both care far less and know far less about NI than they should. Brexit has been a rather neat example of this, as demonstrated by the half-baked opinions on the issue that are still being put forward in this thread today.
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I don't think that's right,
It would undermine one side of the agreement because the people elected by the Unionists say they won't agree to a border in the North Sea. So if the GFA is the be all and end all when it comes to Brexit then the border has to be agreed by both parties in the North or the GFA is meaningless.
Also just so I know where you stand, you think that the UK shouldn't be allowed to leave the EU /CU/SM with all the territory it entered the common market with because of the GFA.
I don't think that's right,
It would undermine one side of the agreement because the people elected by the Unionists say they won't agree to a border in the North Sea. So if the GFA is the be all and end all when it comes to Brexit then the border has to be agreed by both parties in the North or the GFA is meaningless.
Also just so I know where you stand, you think that the UK shouldn't be allowed to leave the EU /CU/SM with all the territory it entered the common market with because of the GFA.
We haven't had a new PM in weeks now
It is getting some coverage, particularly on the quality tv stations - SBS and ABC. I don't really read Australian newspapers as the AU edition of The Guardian has much better reporting and many have pay walls anyway.
Corbyn as Lukaku makes perfect sense now.
Because the EU doesnt want a border. He wants the UK to stay in. Still does. Is the UK that wants out and one if the consequences of getting out of the CU, i remind, a UK choice, is a hard border. EU has to protect his citizens on immigration and consumers safety (like the mad cows) as UK will not be bind on EU regulations. And frankly, the EU can't go on goid faith on a serious topic like that. Specially after the many insults that the UK leadership had been doing on the whole process and even sonetimes talking not to pay up what UK would owe. No, is not equal weight when tge EU wants the UK to stay, has a solution for a no border (stay in the CU) but the UK says no. It's UK decision so the responsability, therefore the weight of breaking the GFA is sokely from the UK
Well put and something that a lot of the politicians don't seem to understand. It's our choice and the EU is under no pressure to sort the mess out for us.