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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Honest John said:
I am a bit sick of everyone and his dog in Westminster and elsewhere lounging around doing sod all but pointing fingers while TM is working her arse off trying to get things sorted. Lazy b’stards the whole damn lot of them. Tell me one positive thing that anyone else in the whole sorry bunch is doing to get our country out of this mess.
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Working her arse of to roll a turd in glitter now that the polishing committee have admitted defeat?

If one of my reports works really hard doing something stupid and doomed to failure I don't simply praise their hard work.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
It might be unpopular to mention this in this thread but feck it I would really like to discuss in reasonable fashion a couple of points/ questions.

So it doesn't say in the Good Friday agreement that the UK and Ireland have to remain in the EU, Single market or the Customs Union.

Article 50 was written after the Good Friday agreement.

If as many here say the UK isn't allowed to introduce a border in Ireland because of the GF agreement and the EU won't allow an open border then article 50 is a nonsense isn't it? If the UK isn't allowed then what is the point of having a procedure to leave which the UK could trigger let alone a referendum to decide whether to leave?

Paul TW think of the reasonable fashion part like a hard border with you on the other side.
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Anna Sourby MP said something similar on Good Morning Britain a few days back.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
@Steerpike what were the Remain lies?
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There weren't any. It was the leave campaign that lied, and the leavers lapped it up to hide their true motivation, ImmIGrAtiON!

Forgetting of course that we badly need immigration to help our economy as we're an aging population.

I have honestly never heard a good, well thought out reason for leaving. All i ever hear is "getting control back" (i guess enforced workers and human rights are inconvenient to the majority of the voting public) or getting rid of foreigners like we don't need them. Even the most basic of issues like fresh fruit and veg will br a cluster feck if we leave on a no deal. We'd have to renegotiate a worse deal with the eu to buy theirs, or fecking fly them in from god knows where. With the increase in prices we might not all be living in mansions made of gold.
 
Steerpike said:
Everyone likes a good conspiracy theory, so how do you feel about the idea that Theresa May, who was a 'remainer', has simply set out to sabotage Brexit? Consider the following;

- she had a workable majority, which would most likely have been enough to secure some sort of Brexit, so she decided to call an election.

- the election was an open goal, so she ran the worst campaign I can ever remember, and succeeded in screwing it up - no more majority.

- she appointed someone with all the charisma of a wet weekend as her Brexit secretary.

- whatever she may have said publicly, she nevertheless made it appear that the UK desperately wanted to do a deal, thereby completely undermining our negotiating position with the EU.

- she went behind the back of her new Brexit secretary, who actually seemed to have some notion of what the job entailed, to agree a position with the EU that she knew she couldn't sell at home.

Incidentally, her predecessor, also very much a 'remainer', is also guilty in part for the current mess: the Bill that paved the way for the referendum should have included a mandate for action based on the outcome, but it didn't. I actually think this was down more to incompetence than to any hidden agenda to avoid Brexit by any means possible.

I voted for Brexit (no, I'm not a racist and neither was I daft enough to believe the lies told on both sides of the referendum argument), and I would vote for it again. I was overjoyed when the result came through, but have always thought that the outcome would somehow be sabotaged. At no point have I ever thought the chances of Brexit happening were better than even, and right now I have zero confidence in it happening.

The European Court ruling that the UK could unilaterally withdraw Article 50 is hugely significant, and probably a pointer to how this will play out.
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Nah. No conspiracy. I just think that the whole mess has shown how incompetent the government and most MPs are, from not understanding how trade works to not understanding how the EU actually works.
Yet you’ve voted to give these people complete power of how they shape the country without guidance - good luck with that
 
Steerpike said:
You're probably right enough there!

As a counter to that, I would say that 'power' takes many forms, and there are lots of rich and powerful people in this country who made it clear that they would do whatever it took to avoid Brexit. Some of those people are a lot smarter than our current crop of MPs.
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To counter that, there are a bunch of rich and powerful people who stand to make a lot of money from brexit. Just look who funded the brexit campaign for example
 
nokillingmoths said:
There weren't any. It was the leave campaign that lied, and the leavers lapped it up to hide their true motivation, ImmIGrAtiON!

Forgetting of course that we badly need immigration to help our economy as we're an aging population.

I have honestly never heard a good, well thought out reason for leaving. All i ever hear is "getting control back" (i guess enforced workers and human rights are inconvenient to the majority of the voting public) or getting rid of foreigners like we don't need them. Even the most basic of issues like fresh fruit and veg will br a cluster feck if we leave on a no deal. We'd have to renegotiate a worse deal with the eu to buy theirs, or fecking fly them in from god knows where. With the increase in prices we might not all be living in mansions made of gold.
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Apparently leavers would live in mud huts as long as they “take back control”

I’d love for every EU funded building or project to magically disappear so they see what an even bigger shithole their towns will look like. Ghost towns
 
She's gone then! Hurrah! Now to see who the next idiot is, at least they won't try and circumvent parlaiment.

One of the all time worst prime ministers.
 
Smores said:
She's gone then! Hurrah! Now to see who the next idiot is, at least they won't try and circumvent parlaiment.

One of the all time worst prime ministers.
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I think she will survive...
Almost unthinkable the mps could agree one one replacement...
Equally unthinkable that they will want a circa 10-12 week leadership election at the moment
So I think she will survive
 
Best case scenario: she survives, DUP withdraws support, and Corbyn then goes for a VoNC that leads to a GE or People’s Vote, with a delay to the March 29 date.
 
LuisNaniencia said:
This worries me. What if we end up with a Brexiteer that pushes us into a no deal?
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Yeah my biggest fear with the whole process.

The last vote of no confidence vote i remember ended with palpatine in charge and that was a fecking disaster. Not sure this is great news.
 
golden_blunder said:
Apparently leavers would live in mud huts as long as they “take back control”

I’d love for every EU funded building or project to magically disappear so they see what an even bigger shithole their towns will look like. Ghost towns
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Unlike Ireland, the UK has been a net contributor to the EU for decades. It's been a net outflow of cash offshore of billions.
 
It would be nice if May won the vote and, being immune from a challenge by the ERG for a year, took the opportunity to pursue a softer Brexit/second referendum by cooperating with the opposition parties. Unfortunately her anti-immigration fixation makes that a fantasy.
 
I will never understand why any non prejudiced people would’ve voted leave if they were supposedly smart enough to see through the lies in the first place.
What are some actual positives of leaving? Honest question.

Edit: sorry I’m not trying to say all leavers are dumb or prejudiced. I’m just saying I don’t understand.
 
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LuisNaniencia said:
This worries me. What if we end up with a Brexiteer that pushes us into a no deal?
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I think she survives... But if not and either Johnson or mogg get to the postal vote I think they would win easily.

Then yeah it will be hard brexit and send the royal navy to Gibraltar... Presumably make britain great again plus build a wall in Ireland and make the EU pay for it

Hopefully the conservative MPs are a little more selective if who gets to the last 2

I expect
Raab gove Davies javid mogg and Johnson would look at running... Possibly more than that even
 
foolsgold said:
Unlike Ireland, the UK has been a net contributor to the EU for decades. It's been a net outflow of cash offshore of billions.
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The UK has, notably London, but the likes of Wales, NI, and parts of England (that voted to leave, funnily enough) are some of the highest recipients of funding per capita in the EU. If the UK has a hard brexit and loses trade then they will lose far, far more money than what they've put into the EU in net terms.

Basically, as usual, it's the deprived areas that will suffer the most.
 
If she survives the Tories are a disgrace. I've never known a leader and her government treat parliament in such a fashion. It's been disgraceful.

Just call a fecking unity government and we can have an election after this is all done.
 
golden_blunder said:
You’re very naive if you think a hard border instilled in NI wont kick things off again. It really doesn’t take much for the balaclavas to come out again. Not happy with fecking your own country you want to smash peace to smithereens too. Classy
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Doesn't have to be a hard border. Who knows though, everyone has reasons why something can't be done but nobody can offer ideas how to fix it.

Not sure what you mean by the bolded.
 
11101 said:
Doesn't have to be a hard border. Who knows though, everyone has reasons why something can't be done but nobody can offer ideas how to fix it.

Not sure what you mean by the bolded.
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It basically just means that imho brexit will hammer your country but don’t make it worse by ripping up a lasting peace to chase “taking back control”
 
11101 said:
Doesn't have to be a hard border. Who knows though, everyone has reasons why something can't be done but nobody can offer ideas how to fix it.

Not sure what you mean by the bolded.
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How can it not be a hard border? Please explain.
 
Smores said:
If she survives the Tories are a disgrace. I've never known a leader and her government treat parliament in such a fashion. It's been disgraceful.

Just call a fecking unity government and we can have an election after this is all done.
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To be honest I don't think a unity government helps.... Simply put there is no unity... There is many deals which 50%+ would be unified in voting down... I don't think any deal has a 50%+ in favour
 
11101 said:
Doesn't have to be a hard border. Who knows though, everyone has reasons why something can't be done but nobody can offer ideas how to fix it.

Not sure what you mean by the bolded.
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Yeah, technology will sort it. Not sure what technology or where it's going to come from but.. it'll fix it!
 
For what it's worth I expect May to survive tonight. The list of potential replacements is horrible.
 
sun_tzu said:
To be honest I don't think a unity government helps.... Simply put there is no unity... There is many deals which 50%+ would be unified in voting down... I don't think any deal has a 50%+ in favour
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I agree there isn't (bar blocking no deal) but at least we'd be moving away from a PM primarily looking after their own job, reputation, party.

Maybe...
 
11101 said:
Doesn't have to be a hard border. Who knows though, everyone has reasons why something can't be done but nobody can offer ideas how to fix it.

Not sure what you mean by the bolded.
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Because no deal - the result of Tory incompetence - would result in a hard border, the destruction of the GFA and quite possibly a return to the bad old days of The Troubles. And by The Troubles I mean murder of many innocents.

For some Land of Hope and Glory, dreaming of a colonial past bullshit.
 
Smores said:
I agree there isn't (bar blocking no deal) but at least we'd be moving away from a PM primarily looking after their own job, reputation, party.

Maybe...
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Well tradition is the leader of the largest party is pm
So after 10 weeks or so of a temporary leader (erm fek knows but possibly ledsom) the odds are you end up with Johnson or mogg in charge of this hypothetical unity government.
Plus 10 weeks of no leader as he head to the default position of hard brexit... Which coincidentally mogg and Johnson would both like... Especially as they can then say oh well not enough time to negotiate... Time for full hard (on) brexit
 
sun_tzu said:
I think she survives... But if not and either Johnson or mogg get to the postal vote I think they would win easily.

Then yeah it will be hard brexit and send the royal navy to Gibraltar... Presumably make britain great again plus build a wall in Ireland and make the EU pay for it

Hopefully the conservative MPs are a little more selective if who gets to the last 2

I expect
Raab gove Davies javid mogg and Johnson would look at running... Possibly more than that even
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Aparently Mogg is unlikely to be chosen because he lacks ministerial experience.
 
At times like these I’d like to see a bit of a sense of humour from them.

Coming out to some vaguely inappropriate music or something.
 
The usual tone deaf speech, based on broad brush assumptions (“people want us to just get on with it”) and completely contradictory statements (deliver Brexit while making the economy stronger).
 
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