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[Paul the Wolf]

You know how May is going back to the EU for assurances, etc? Can anyone explain to me why she thinks that the EU would want to help her out to get her deal through Parliament? The UK is one of the largest economies in the EU and is a net contributor to it. If we go, it could spell the beginning of the end for the EU. Surely they want us to stay and therefore don’t want to offer a deal that will be accepted. If they just refuse to budge, they could get a second referendum and have it reversed.

The EU have accepted for 2 and a half years that the UK is leaving. For both sides this is the agreement that helps the UK leave relatively smoothly. It is the UK that decided to leave not the EU throwing them out.
If the deal gets voted down there is a much greater chance that there will be no deal which is not good for anyone but catastrophic for the UK.

 

[stevoc]

You have the EU on one side and the UK on the other. Something will get squeezed between the sides and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if its NI. Its a very different place than when the Belfast Agreement was signed, does it really need to be kept exactly as it is.

To be fair only one of those parties made a commitment lodged with the UN to uphold the Good Friday Agreement.

Is it really that different, i don't think it would take much to kick trouble off again. You only have to look at all the nonsense that was stirred up a few years ago over a flag on City Hall.

 

[Adisa]

how is the executive of this government still dense enough to try negotiating with single governments

Her usual run to Paris, Berlin etc at the first sign of trouble is an insult to the other countries. Why doesn't she run to Budapest?

 

[Honest John]

Why does the bbc always ask fecking farmers about brexit?

 

[P-Nut]

Why does the bbc always ask fecking farmers about brexit?

Exporting their produce?

 

[711]

Why does the bbc always ask fecking farmers about brexit?

In the early years of Britain's membership the common agricultural policy took a huge proportion of the common market's budget, and it's what people associated most with membership. The press went to town daily on butter mountains, wine lakes, waste of money, us paying for French farmers to live in luxury while the price of food had doubled and bananas didn't taste as good as they used to. Older journalists still think of farming first with Europe.

 

[Honest John]

In the early years of Britain's membership the common agricultural policy took a huge proportion of the common market's budget, and it's what people associated most with membership. The press went to town daily on butter mountains, wine lakes, waste of money, us paying for French farmers to live in luxury while the price of food had doubled and bananas didn't taste as good as they used to. Older journalists still think of farming first with Europe.

I wish they would ask more people that work in manufacturing. Most people that want a hard brexit are either retired, self-employed or work in sectors where they don’t think that they would be seriously affected. They are of course totally wrong.

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

Don't know how reliable but..............

Is the Queen taking over the negotiation?

 

[Eire Red United]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46528952

Hahaha payback ya’s bastards.

 

[Adisa]

Wasn't Thatcher abroad when she was being knifed?

 

[TheGame]

Don't know how reliable but..............

Is the Queen taking over the negotiation?

Has May got some duty free gin?

 

[711]

I wish they would ask more people that work in manufacturing. Most people that want a hard brexit are either retired, self-employed or work in sectors where they don’t think that they would be seriously affected. They are of course totally wrong.

Agreed. As a country we should be looking at every means possible of supporting manufacturing and increasing the status and rewards of those involved in it. Getting off topic a bit though.

 

[Eire Red United]

Whatever her motivation (and I don’t agree with your view) the point is no other fecker has a single cohesive idea or can be bothered to do shag all to help. They should all be sacked.

Whatever her motivation, definitely an argument to be made for her trying to cling to power but anyway, she is the only one of them trying to provide a genuine solution to this mess, she may be slightly useless but at least she’s actively doing something and coming up with a semi-reasonable solution.

 

[Eire Red United]

Why does the bbc always ask fecking farmers about brexit?

They’re going to be amongst the hardest hit obviously, between whatever damage will be done in terms of exports and losing the single farm payment/various subsidies if that happens.

 

[SteveJ]

Oh f*ck, Pardew's back...

 

[golden_blunder]

I am a bit sick of everyone and his dog in Westminster and elsewhere lounging around doing sod all but pointing fingers while TM is working her arse off trying to get things sorted. Lazy b’stards the whole damn lot of them. Tell me one positive thing that anyone else in the whole sorry bunch is doing to get our country out of this mess.

In fairness they’re busy writing letters and buying sticks & shares

 

[golden_blunder]

You have the EU on one side and the UK on the other. Something will get squeezed between the sides and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if its NI. Its a very different place than when the Belfast Agreement was signed, does it really need to be kept exactly as it is.

You’re very naive if you think a hard border instilled in NI wont kick things off again. It really doesn’t take much for the balaclavas to come out again. Not happy with fecking your own country you want to smash peace to smithereens too. Classy

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

Oh f*ck, Pardew's back...

Resolves Brexit by telling the EU to feck off, calls Corbyn an 'old cnut', headbutts Robert Peston, and replaces Hammond and Grayling with Norman Lamont and the ghost of Edward Heath

 

[SteveJ]

Resolves Brexit by telling the EU to feck off, calls Corbyn an 'old cnut', headbutts Robert Peston, and replaces Hammond and Grayling with Norman Lamont and the ghost of Edward Heath

 

[Sigma]

Piers Morgan is so annoying.

 

[Steerpike]

Everyone likes a good conspiracy theory, so how do you feel about the idea that Theresa May, who was a 'remainer', has simply set out to sabotage Brexit? Consider the following;

- she had a workable majority, which would most likely have been enough to secure some sort of Brexit, so she decided to call an election.

- the election was an open goal, so she ran the worst campaign I can ever remember, and succeeded in screwing it up - no more majority.

- she appointed someone with all the charisma of a wet weekend as her Brexit secretary.

- whatever she may have said publicly, she nevertheless made it appear that the UK desperately wanted to do a deal, thereby completely undermining our negotiating position with the EU.

- she went behind the back of her new Brexit secretary, who actually seemed to have some notion of what the job entailed, to agree a position with the EU that she knew she couldn't sell at home.

Incidentally, her predecessor, also very much a 'remainer', is also guilty in part for the current mess: the Bill that paved the way for the referendum should have included a mandate for action based on the outcome, but it didn't. I actually think this was down more to incompetence than to any hidden agenda to avoid Brexit by any means possible.

I voted for Brexit (no, I'm not a racist and neither was I daft enough to believe the lies told on both sides of the referendum argument), and I would vote for it again. I was overjoyed when the result came through, but have always thought that the outcome would somehow be sabotaged. At no point have I ever thought the chances of Brexit happening were better than even, and right now I have zero confidence in it happening.

The European Court ruling that the UK could unilaterally withdraw Article 50 is hugely significant, and probably a pointer to how this will play out.

 

[sullydnl]

Piers Morgan is so annoying.

Quite genuinely the nicest word I've seen used to describe Piers Morgan in years. Which I think technically makes you an awful person by default. Sorry.

 

[Blatzo]

Everyone likes a good conspiracy theory, so how do you feel about the idea that Theresa May, who was a 'remainer', has simply set out to sabotage Brexit? Consider the following;

- she had a workable majority, which would most likely have been enough to secure some sort of Brexit, so she decided to call an election.

- the election was an open goal, so she ran the worst campaign I can ever remember, and succeeded in screwing it up - no more majority.

- she appointed someone with all the charisma of a wet weekend as her Brexit secretary.

- whatever she may have said publicly, she nevertheless made it appear that the UK desperately wanted to do a deal, thereby completely undermining our negotiating position with the EU.

- she went behind the back of her new Brexit secretary, who actually seemed to have some notion of what the job entailed, to agree a position with the EU that she knew she couldn't sell at home.

Incidentally, her predecessor, also very much a 'remainer', is also guilty in part for the current mess: the Bill that paved the way for the referendum should have included a mandate for action based on the outcome, but it didn't. I actually think this was down more to incompetence than to any hidden agenda to avoid Brexit by any means possible.

I voted for Brexit (no, I'm not a racist and neither was I daft enough to believe the lies told on both sides of the referendum argument), and I would vote for it again. I was overjoyed when the result came through, but have always thought that the outcome would somehow be sabotaged. At no point have I ever thought the chances of Brexit happening were better than even, and right now I have zero confidence in it happening.

The European Court ruling that the UK could unilaterally withdraw Article 50 is hugely significant, and probably a pointer to how this will play out.

While it's not unreasonable to suggest that a botched Brexit might be a path to avoiding it altogether I fear you're giving the people in power far too much credit.

 

[Honest John]

In fairness they’re busy writing letters and buying sticks & shares

It’s a disgrace. I don’t think she has any ambition to lead the party into the next election. She just wanted to steer us through brexit find a way to arrive at the the best solution all round. People say she’s trying to hang on to power. If that is the case, I don’t think she is doing that for herself. She believes that all the alternatives i.e other Tory leaders or other governments would be much worse. If you remember she went before the 1922 committee after the disasterous election and said that she’d serve as long as they wanted her to. She was quite prepared to go then. They banged the tables in rapturous applause and told her she had their backing. I don’t think she’s power mad I think she genuinely cares about the fate of the uk in this debacle and wants to make it as painless as possible. She should go to the commons and challenge the gutless lazy tossers to do their worst. You never know she might win. And then even win the commons VNC if Corbyn brings one.

 

[Steerpike]

While it's not unreasonable to suggest that a botched Brexit might be a path to avoiding it altogether I fear you're giving the people in power far too much credit.

You're probably right enough there!

As a counter to that, I would say that 'power' takes many forms, and there are lots of rich and powerful people in this country who made it clear that they would do whatever it took to avoid Brexit. Some of those people are a lot smarter than our current crop of MPs.

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

It might be unpopular to mention this in this thread but feck it I would really like to discuss in reasonable fashion a couple of points/ questions.

So it doesn't say in the Good Friday agreement that the UK and Ireland have to remain in the EU, Single market or the Customs Union.

Article 50 was written after the Good Friday agreement.

If as many here say the UK isn't allowed to introduce a border in Ireland because of the GF agreement and the EU won't allow an open border then article 50 is a nonsense isn't it? If the UK isn't allowed then what is the point of having a procedure to leave which the UK could trigger let alone a referendum to decide whether to leave?

Paul TW think of the reasonable fashion part like a hard border with you on the other side.

 

[Blatzo]

You're probably right enough there!

As a counter to that, I would say that 'power' takes many forms, and there are lots of rich and powerful people in this country who made it clear that they would do whatever it took to avoid Brexit. Some of those people are a lot smarter than our current crop of MPs.

That's a very valid and fair counter. It would seem they weren't clever enough, however, to foresee the result of having our european future decided by referendum!

 

[Jippy]

Somehow got into a mass work debate about whether you'd go down on May for 20 minutes to avoid Brexit or not.

 

[SteveJ]

I'd rather mass debate.

 

[The Firestarter]

Somehow got into a mass work debate about whether you'd go down on May for 20 minutes to avoid Brexit or not.

Sounds like a Black Mirror plot.

 

[Green_Red]

Somehow got into a mass work debate about whether you'd go down on May for 20 minutes to avoid Brexit or not.

and would you?

 

[Grinner]

Somehow got into a mass work debate about whether you'd go down on May for 20 minutes to avoid Brexit or not.

Well at least she has confirmed that she isn't a squirter.

 

[P-Nut]

It might be unpopular to mention this in this thread but feck it I would really like to discuss in reasonable fashion a couple of points/ questions.

So it doesn't say in the Good Friday agreement that the UK and Ireland have to remain in the EU, Single market or the Customs Union.

Article 50 was written after the Good Friday agreement.

If as many here say the UK isn't allowed to introduce a border in Ireland because of the GF agreement and the EU won't allow an open border then article 50 is a nonsense isn't it? If the UK isn't allowed then what is the point of having a procedure to leave which the UK could trigger let alone a referendum to decide whether to leave?

Paul TW think of the reasonable fashion part like a hard border with you on the other side.

Because the EU is more powerful than Ireland it would surely be the good Friday agreement that makes way. Not that I agree with it, however if we're going to leave the EU then it's basically a hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland or they use the Irish sea as a divide. The second seems even harder to envisage at the moment.

 

[SteveJ]

What’s most interesting is the talks between No10 and the Palace.

Don’t want to speculate too much or try and type out constitutional procedure here, but that would seem to suggest that the Palace have at the very least challenged number 10 on whether this is, as the constitution requires, the promise of May having a government of majority.

It’s a huge change of the state of play.

You could also speculate that the palace being part of conversations may even suggest a resignation (a bit of a stretch but a genuine possibility).

One thing is for absolute sure though, there is 100% going to be a no confidence vote.

 

[Wibble]

Everyone likes a good conspiracy theory, so how do you feel about the idea that Theresa May, who was a 'remainer', has simply set out to sabotage Brexit? Consider the following;

- she had a workable majority, which would most likely have been enough to secure some sort of Brexit, so she decided to call an election.

- the election was an open goal, so she ran the worst campaign I can ever remember, and succeeded in screwing it up - no more majority.

- she appointed someone with all the charisma of a wet weekend as her Brexit secretary.

- whatever she may have said publicly, she nevertheless made it appear that the UK desperately wanted to do a deal, thereby completely undermining our negotiating position with the EU.

- she went behind the back of her new Brexit secretary, who actually seemed to have some notion of what the job entailed, to agree a position with the EU that she knew she couldn't sell at home.

Incidentally, her predecessor, also very much a 'remainer', is also guilty in part for the current mess: the Bill that paved the way for the referendum should have included a mandate for action based on the outcome, but it didn't. I actually think this was down more to incompetence than to any hidden agenda to avoid Brexit by any means possible.

I voted for Brexit (no, I'm not a racist and neither was I daft enough to believe the lies told on both sides of the referendum argument), and I would vote for it again. I was overjoyed when the result came through, but have always thought that the outcome would somehow be sabotaged. At no point have I ever thought the chances of Brexit happening were better than even, and right now I have zero confidence in it happening.

The European Court ruling that the UK could unilaterally withdraw Article 50 is hugely significant, and probably a pointer to how this will play out.

You don't need a conspiracy when incompetence is so abundantly available.

 

[Wibble]

Just revoke A50 FFS. Even if you liked the idea of leave in the largely fact free run up to the referendum surely people can now see the reality is a fecking stupid idea?

This is like we voted to take a tourist drive in Western Ireland to the Aran Islands and the GPS is glitching so that the tourist bus will drive straight over the Cliffs of Moher to get there and most who voted that way are saying "it is shit we are all going to die but we voted to go to the Aran Islands and it would be undemocratic not to die now".

 

[unchanged_lineup]

Just revoke A50 FFS. Even if you liked the idea of leave in the largely fact free run up to the referendum surely people can now see the reality is a fecking stupid idea?

This is like we voted to take a tourist drive in Western Ireland to the Aran Islands and the GPS is glitching so that the tourist bus will drive straight over the Hills of Moher to get there and most who voted that way are saying "it is shit we are all going to die but we voted to go to the Aran Islands and it would be undemocratic not to die now".

*Cliffs

 

[unchanged_lineup]

@Steerpike what were the Remain lies?

 

[Berbaclass]

Just revoke A50 FFS. Even if you liked the idea of leave in the largely fact free run up to the referendum surely people can now see the reality is a fecking stupid idea?

This is like we voted to take a tourist drive in Western Ireland to the Aran Islands and the GPS is glitching so that the tourist bus will drive straight over the Hills of Moher to get there and most who voted that way are saying "it is shit we are all going to die but we voted to go to the Aran Islands and it would be undemocratic not to die now".

Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way isn’t it?

 

[Wibble]

*Cliffs

Woops.