Yes I understand it as that as well - that's why I don't see the point of her trip to 'save the deal' unless there is some wiggle room
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Yes I understand it as that as well - that's why I don't see the point of her trip to 'save the deal' unless there is some wiggle room
She's the real opposition, according to Newsnight last night. Emily Maitlis cut her off, just as Soubry was saying she'd vote with the government on any no-confidence vote, to tell us that.
There is no such thing as a Tory rebel. People need to realise this.
Soubry has constantly been a very good voice throughout this process to be fair. She's just owned Lidingtons hypocrisy on claiming impossible things being possible.
Bah gawd! That man has a family!
But that's what I mean. Even if there was a FTA in place by the end of 2020 it doesn't mean the customs union isn't necessary. There has to be a solution to the Customs union, not a solution to a free trade agreement. The EU has a FTA with loads of countries but they still have borders between them. These are two different matters. I would expect the transition to be extended to end 2022 but it's going to cost money amongst other things.
Both sides have to agree to the UK leaving the backstop, otherwise they could leave on the 30th March.
Agree the EU has the UK where they want them but that's the consequence of leaving without a solution to Ireland and not falling off a cliff. Seemed inevitable to me.
There's even more complication but that's for another day.
NI needs to not only be in the CU but I believe the SM as well.
I wonder what these toadies have been paid with to stand up and try defend this mess 
I don't know the effectiveness of the SNP on their domestic policy but their westminster representatives are of the highest order
I don't know the effectiveness of the SNP on their domestic policy but their westminster representatives are of the highest order
What about placating the 70% who voted remain but who are not represented by their leader.
That sounded very close to sounding like np-confidence support from Nicky Morgan. Calling for a national unity government too
I don't know. All I do know is that the Swiss/EU border is pretty much open. Yes there are some lorry check points but it is definitely not hard. There is actually a border in Ireland now. There are different currencies and VAT rates and I do believe there are checks that can and do take place either electronically for customs or on vehicles of interest. Why would it need to be much harder than that if the UK has an FTA with the EU?
Probably something along the lines of what Switzerland has. You're expected to comply with the relevant laws and border guards select vehicles and people to check. It's not too dissimilar to what the UK has in place already in that only some imports are screened.
Makes it easier that Switzerland is part of the Schengen zone, but as Ireland is not so we will just have to trust that they adequately screen people.
Switzerland , Norway or Outer Mongolia is not the solution to the Irish border.
That would breach the Good Friday agreement, would it not?
it's already been discussed to death but neither the Swiss nor Norwegian models would would with the Irish border. The GFA renders this impossible.
The whole “future technology” vagueness annoys me no end. It’s the kind of bullshit that happens in my business when someone can’t think of a solution or answer. It’s like saying “let’s check that and get back to you”.
So, what technology are you talking about? What will it specifically do? Who is paying for it?
It will need to be bloody good because there are many crossing points between south and north Ireland
So, what technology are you talking about? What will it specifically do? Who is paying for it?
It will need to be bloody good because there are many crossing points between south and north Ireland
Yes it would. Some cops standing around a little wooden hut is a hard border
It's ludicrous. Their answer to 'how will we prevent a hard border?' is basically to say '...magic'.
There was a Common Travel Area in operation allowing FOM and residence of Irish Nationals in the UK and vice versa long before either Ireland or the UK were in the EU. What is the fear here? A few bottles of potcheen and the odd chlorine chicken that the UK bought from the USA? That the DUP will build a wall? The only reason there was ever a hard border was the need for security because of the troubles. There is no need for a hard border.
The need for checks to determine tax and customs duties that will need to be collected in the event there is no comprehensive free trade agreement for goods.
@Honest John
There are no borders between northern and Southern Ireland
There are no electronic checks. If they need to check a car for a criminal then they stop it physically somewhere along the road and search it
The only way you can tell that you’ve crossed from north to south or vice versa is when the road signs change
There are no borders between northern and Southern Ireland
There are no electronic checks. If they need to check a car for a criminal then they stop it physically somewhere along the road and search it
The only way you can tell that you’ve crossed from north to south or vice versa is when the road signs change
I’m half expecting them to say something like “just because” or some other childish nonsense. It’s crazy - if they feck this up there will be bombs flying off in the UK again. They will literally set peace back decades again
If and when the UK leaves the EU, the CU and SM and assuming NI leave with them, they will under completely different regulations.
Why is the UK so keen to have control of their borders then? Why not let everybody and every product and every service and every capital into the country
Right. So if Brexit has to happen then May's deal looks like the only realistic possibility. WA - transition - FTA negotiations - extension or backstop if needed - FTA agreed with customs alignment.
Yes but something has to give and the deadline is fast approaching. You need a border somewhere and with time running out they will be looking around the world at similar situations.
Yes - as I've been saying it is the only possible outcome if the UK leave with an agreement - and this was inevitable. But at the end of the process there's still no way out of the backstop if the UK or rather NI leave the CU.
Which probably means it will never get through parliament.
The end of the process will require regulatory alignment. All trade agreements require that in varying degrees. If what we are talking about is to be 'comprehensive and unique' therefore not Norway, Switzerland, Canada or anyone then regulatory alignment can be negotiated to the point that it almost mirrors what is in existence now. The EU won't say that though because it will seem like cake and cherries. But business wants it. Here and in the EU.
A comprehensive and unique agreement would mean that the UK had exactly the same rules as the EU - don't think Trump would be too happy not to mention the leavers.
Someone's going to tell me the point of leaving.
I mean that was obvious, but why would she say it?
Hence why I said there will be a back lash no matter what happens...
She said it yesterday and got called 'the voice of the opposition' by our state broadcaster, so she's probably wondering what sort of praise she'll get by saying it in front of even more journalists.
Chuka Umunna has to be the most hated man in parliament. Everything he does is seen as a plot to remove Corbyn.
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Twitter musings seem to be saying the magic number may have been reached. Although knowing this goverment and the tory party I'm not convinced they wouldn't cover it up.
I’m a little out of loop today. Are we talking votes on her deal or votes of no confidence?
The tory letters of no confidence aka leadership change.
Although judging by Corbyns speech then demanding the Tories bring a vote to the house tomorrow I'm half expecting a house vote of no confidence to be called if they don't.
Knowing May, the cnut will probably win a vote of confidence and get immunity for the next year and run us off a bridge.
No confidence.
Corbyn doesn't want to call a vote yet.