Jesus I was being flippant. Imagine if flat earth theory genuinely challenged your belief system.
EDIT: Damn I can't silent edit in the CE.
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Jesus I was being flippant. Imagine if flat earth theory genuinely challenged your belief system.
EDIT: Damn I can't silent edit in the CE.
Its a consequence of leaving the eu not a reason for leaving.
Its entirely avoidable though. DUP being used to prop up a dying government thus somehow being able to veto any deal for NI wasn't part of the vote.
The people over here want the deal that was brought forward and their voice is being ignored by this nonsense in London.
The DUP being in this position itself is in violation of the GFA
It didn't have to be though, even before the EU referendum was held everyone involved should have made sure whatever the outcome of the vote that the Good Friday Agreement and the peace in Ireland was safe. But it looks like Ireland was never more than an after thought until they realized it was a big problem.
So now we're facing the possibility of one referendum vote destroying an agreement that was put in place by two other referendums if the UK leaves with no deal. The will of the people indeed, just not the people who are being ignored.
I agree, it was an in out vote though
Yes. I personally think the gfa should be above any wto agreement whatsoever, it is being used as a political tool by the eu imho opinion and thats just wrong. Trade and beurocracy over peace. Fkin smart that is.
Scenes in parliament. The MP grabbing the Mace, Skinner invoking Thatcher and Theresa May discussing premature ejaculation. What a time to be alive.
Must say from an outside the UK perspective, this is all fascinating. I'm rooting for No-deal, genuinely intrigued to see what that would look like.
Maybe mate i don't know for sure, personally i think the EU are just trying to protect Irelands interests. There is lunatic fringe in the Tory party who would rip the GFA up without batting an eyelid.
what
I fecking despise the whole set up and every cnut in there every time I see bullshit like this. How we've ever ran a country like that I don't know.
Maybe she should've addressed the point instead of sending everyone into what must be the most ridiculous sounding hysterics ever, or at least since the last time they were in there laughing and joking about running the country into the ground.
Then why is there a category for females ejaculating on tubegalore, mrs may? Check mate.
People vote for parties for usually the same reason - they vote for the party that they think represents them or offers what they see as benefits to themselves. To call people thick because they think differently from you is not only arrogant but it is also ignorant.
The DUP opposed the GFA and would be only to happy to throw it under a bus despite the vast majority of normal people here voting to remain in the EU and voting for the GFA in the first place. They have never represented the views of the normal people of Northern Ireland.
Pray tell then how you propose to solve the issues around the only land border between the UK and the EU.
British Parliament is truly funny sometimes. A ceremonial mace ffs! 
I wouldn't vote on those terms, there has to be an option to remain.
There's a large base of Tory voters who are voting against their own interests time and time again and then proceed to moan about the state of affairs. I don't think it's arrogant to question these people's intelligence.
Another fun day of brexit nonsense....
Ha ha ha how naive.
People vote for the leader that looks most prime-ministerial.
Failing that, they vote for who their granddad voted for.
For many, policy barely comes into it.
Yep neither would I and I can see no deal winning that one in the same fashion that the first result went which would bring the whole farce full circle really.
Get the impression from the recent rhetoric that May & European leaders have already agreed on a few concessions. This whole 'only deal' messaging just means May can save a bit of face from her trip & say she's been 'tough' on negotiations and got us an amazing agreement. EU will still get an excellent deal & Conservatives can bang on about saving the country because it looks like they've won a small victory aginst the mighty EU.
My thoughts too. May and the EU orchestrated this to put maximum pressure on the final vote, thus making it harder to vote down.
And then when you didn't vote, she'd claim the low turnout was due to people being sick and tired of Brexit and just wanting her to get on with it.
And if Labour could at least try and look credible, they might give voters an alternative to voting Conservative. Many are picking the least worst option.
Labour ought to spend less time lurching further to the left and more time on seeking out a candidate who can actually give the Tories something to think about.
What concessions do you think the UK are going to get?
Even if there was something about the backstop, which I would say is highly unlikely, you think the deal will get through? The ERG, Tory Leavers and Labour the DUP and SNP will vote it down whatever it says. All May is trying to do is delay the vote as long as possible.
Yes I think there will be some changes to the backstop. EU would rather anything than us leave on a 'no deal' basis but they have to save face and look to have made an example of the UK for their longevity as a union after we leave. The proposed deal is so one sided, it seems implausible that May can have negotiated so poorly and I think we'll see some very small changes now - spun by the media as huge wins. Whether that gets through is another matter but I think it's the best chance she has of remaining in power and looking like she's got a 'win'.
I differ to the other poster here as I think it will just be some fluff.
How can I vote for something when I do not believe in even the principle?
I'm not trying to persuade you to, just pointing out the trap she'd be laying.
Like what?
I'm genuinely curious, what can actually be done to the backstop? It's either open border, or hard border.
Yeah i said the same yesterday i think it's exactly what she's going to do. I don't know if it'll be allowed by the electoral commission or if parliament have the numbers to force remain as an option.
Personally I'd have it as Mays Deal vs Remain with some form if assurance there can't be a 3rd one. There's been no will of the people for a no deal
The 3rd option would be "Just get on with it!"
If there's another vote, someone needs to put together all the video clips and quotes of the hardcore Leavers saying AFTER the '16 referendum that 'no-one was talking about leaving the single market' before they later did a full 180 on it like everything else.
Both sides keep talking about 'clarifications' rather than wholesale changes so I think something will change. As I understand it our current deal keeps N Ireland aligned to 'some rules of the EU single market, if another solution cannot be found by the end of the transition period in December 2020.' (from the BBC) Interesting part of that being the word 'some'.
I had understood it as you have, that's a hard or open border choice and there's no wiggle room around that. The fact it appears we seem to be able to negotiate on points within the backstop (unless I have misunderstood the above) makes me think there's a whole raft of options that can be negotiated on even if the backstop stays.
I don't see how they can change the backstop, the whole point is that it is insurance against the Uk laving with no resolution to the Irish border.
I don't see it as one-sided but exactly what I expected. The UK have to remember that they want to leave and thus lose all the benefits of being in the EU but the EU are permitting them to have a transition period to help them soften the blow but if the UK still wanto leave without the transition that is their choice but the Irish problem still has to be resolved.
It's in everyone's interest for the exit to be as smooth as possible but the possibility of a no deal exit is highly probable at this moment because part of parliament want to leave at any cost another part think they can have cherries, cake and all the rest.
To think the EU will do anything to prevent no deal is dangerous.
New low.
If May gets a concession, like some codicil added to the legal text and the deal is voted through, eventually we will wind up at December 2020.
By this time there 'should' be a 'comprehensive, all encompassing FTA' agreed. If it isn't then whatever she agrees now kicks in with whatever caveats there are.
However, this eventual marvelous FTA will also require a solution for the border. If that is not to be the current backstop - lasting forever - then what will it be?
And, if people think that it is possible to agree an FTA which solves the border question, why can't that bit be the prime topic of focus in the transition period?
So. What do you think that a Conservative opposition would be doing were that the case.
Going for the jugular just like they always do and doing anything and everything to bring the government to their knees.
They did not get the nickname 'the nasty party' for nothing.
Then they will be letting the Irish down - which they insist they are standing behind. No deal = WTO = No Customs Arrangement = Hard Border. The EU should be busting a gut to ensure no deal.