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GloryHunter07 said:
To be fair, Corbyn is probably keeping his powder dry for the TV debates.
Hopefully.
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I still haven't quite understood the purpose of the TV debate.

Two people who both want Brexit, who want to respect the 'will of the people'.
One of them has brought back an offer (the only offer) from the EU.
The other says nothing other than he could do better - which he obviously can't because there's nothing else to have.

They debate in front of a TV audience who have no say on the vote in parliament. What is different to what goes on and has been going on for the past two years or so?

No comprendo.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I still haven't quite understood the purpose of the TV debate.

Two people who both want Brexit, who want to respect the 'will of the people'.
One of them has brought back an offer (the only offer) from the EU.
The other says nothing other than he could do better - which he obviously can't because there's nothing else to have.

They debate in front of a TV audience who have no say on the vote in parliament. What is different to what goes on and has been going on for the past two years or so?

No comprendo.
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Tune in & find out like the rest of us!
 
Dobba said:
There's a five day debate on Brexit. Five days.

Do you think he's going to bring down the government if he asks 6 more questions on Brexit? If so, I can do you a cracking deal on some magic beans.
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Ok, so he's had a year and a half to talk about austerity, but its suddenly critically important that he spends the 5 days set aside for Brexit debate talking about austerity?

Do you think the government are going to suddenly shower the poorest in society with wads of cash, because Jeremy continues to talk about it during the Brexit debate? Or is he just perhaps going to miss a golden opportunity to pile more pressure on an already wobbling government?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I still haven't quite understood the purpose of the TV debate.

Two people who both want Brexit, who want to respect the 'will of the people'.
One of them has brought back an offer (the only offer) from the EU.
The other says nothing other than he could do better - which he obviously can't because there's nothing else to have.

They debate in front of a TV audience who have no say on the vote in parliament. What is different to what goes on and has been going on for the past two years or so?

No comprendo.
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Nobody does.
 
Kentonio said:
Ok, so he's had a year and a half to talk about austerity, but its suddenly critically important that he spends the 5 days set aside for Brexit debate talking about austerity?

Do you think the government are going to suddenly shower the poorest in society with wads of cash, because Jeremy continues to talk about it during the Brexit debate? Or is he just perhaps going to miss a golden opportunity to pile more pressure on an already wobbling government?
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Is it still going on, by any chance?

Twenty minutes of a week that sees five days of debate is too much for you. How the fecking christ do you think you're going to be able to pretend to care about people's lives for long enough to get them to vote your way in a second referendum?
 
Kentonio said:
I'm long past believing that he's just waiting for his moment. I think he genuinely doesn't want to avoid Brexit.
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I hope you are wrong... i am hoping he will suddenly rip open his shirt to show off an EU flag underneath on live tv.

Maybe i should let it go..
 
Dobba said:
Is it still going on, by any chance?

Twenty minutes of a week that sees five days of debate is too much for you. How the fecking christ do you think you're going to be able to pretend to care about people's lives for long enough to get them to vote your way in a second referendum?
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Typical Corbynista wankery. I actually support his economic policies and given that my family is from a deprived as feck ex-mining area (and most of them still live there), yes I actually care about poor people. But hey, I think Corbyn is making a huge tactical mistake and also is being a hypocritical prick, so yeah I must be anti-poor people.
 
Kentonio said:
I'm long past believing that he's just waiting for his moment. I think he genuinely doesn't want to avoid Brexit.
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He is quite happy for Brexit to happen, that is obvious and to be fair to him has been his position for decades. Unfortunately it also means he is complicit in all this and has utterly failed to hold the Government to account and is completely and utterly useless.
 
Kentonio said:
Typical Corbynista wankery. I actually support his economic policies and given that my family is from a deprived as feck ex-mining area (and most of them still live there), yes I actually care about poor people. But hey, I think Corbyn is making a huge tactical mistake and also is being a hypocritical prick, so yeah I must be anti-poor people.
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Six questions in twenty minutes or so was too long, so are you a 5 question level concerned about poor people or is it the time that's the problem? Is 15 minutes your cut off point? 10?
 
Dobba said:
Will it be bad enough that daring to take 20 minutes to talk about the people who are affected by it, won't be mocked by the media? Because, obviously the current lot hasn't reached that yet.
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I think we're very far from what you've described, like the opposite pole in fact. Corbyn is mocked for talking about the same thing over and over again, even when the present debate is not about that. Not for taking 20 mins to talk about something that he doesn't spend the other 365 days of the year talking about.
 
balaks said:
You could agree to stay in the customs union - that is softer and also solves the Irish border problem.
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May's deal means the whole of the Uk is staying in the Customs union until they find a solution to the problem of the border ie indefinitely. If the Uk went for Norway it doesn't include being in the CU.

May's deal may be rubbish but it's better than any other option apart from remain - unless of course someone is a Brexiter and wants to break the GFA and sabotage the UK economy.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
@Dobba are you leave or remain?
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Remain, which just about beats complete indifference by the width of a rizla. In fact, I'd rate the EU 5.000001/10.

MadMike said:
I think we're very far from what you've described, like the opposite pole in fact. Corbyn is mocked for talking about the same thing over and over again, even when the present debate is not about that. Not for taking 20 mins to talk about something that he doesn't spend the other 365 days of the year talking about.
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Dobba said:
Six questions in twenty minutes or so was too long, so are you a 5 question level concerned about poor people or is it the time that's the problem? Is 15 minutes your cut off point? 10?
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Do you actually give a toss about getting any kind of result for poor people or is it more important to you that Jeremy gets to keep repeating himself? This week is a GIANT opportunity to topple a government, prevent a huge economic disaster for the UK< and then almost inevitably get another election. Does any of that actually matter to you, or is Jeremy staying ideologically pure more important?
 
Dobba said:
Remain, which just about beats complete indifference by the width of a rizla. In fact, I'd rate the EU 5.000001/10.
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Again, it would be funnier if that wasn't basically the only thing he ever talks about. But ok, whatever floats your boat mate.
 
balaks said:
No deal is 100% off the table now
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This is an oversimplification I think
The legal position defaults to no deal and exit on 29th march
It is fairly easy for parliment to get over 50% to vote against a specific deal as it's so fractured
What will be more difficult is finding over 50% to agree on something... Which they have to do to prevent no deal (or the government have to cancel or apply to extend article 50 which they have repeatedly said they won't)
 
Kentonio said:
Do you actually give a toss about getting any kind of result for poor people or is it more important to you that Jeremy gets to keep repeating himself? This week is a GIANT opportunity to topple a government, prevent a huge economic disaster for the UK< and then almost inevitably get another election. Does any of that actually matter to you, or is Jeremy staying ideologically pure more important?
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Wait, 'toppling the government' is now the priority? I thought it was a second referendum yesterday?

MadMike said:
Let me take 20 mins to talk to you about how austerity has affected the poorest in this country.
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Yeah, sorry. The last decade or so of austerity had absolutely nothing to do with those people telling Cameron and co where they can stick the status quo at the last referendum.

Kentonio said:
TWITTER: Sir, the enemy are approaching the city gates and the palace will be over-run within the hour!

CORBYN: Ok, let's take this opportunity to discuss the diplomatic failures that led to this terrible war..
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So what's the People's Vote plan for this day after Brexit goes away? Will we finally be able to find 20 minutes to talk about people's lives again, or will we have to make do with 5?
 
Tbf if Corbyn can't speak about Brexit AND Austerity then he's fecking useless. Why does it have to be one or the other?
 
GloryHunter07 said:
I hope you are wrong... i am hoping he will suddenly rip open his shirt to show off an EU flag underneath on live tv.

Maybe i should let it go..
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Corbyn has voted against every significant EU bill. Including the 1975 referendum, Maastricht, Lisbon and a whole host of other legislation. He voted for a referendum on EU membership in 2011. He hates the EU because it embodies big business, globalisation and has powerful financial institutions. He couldn't give a rats arse how we eventually leave in the end or, what state the country is in when it does, as long as he can get into power tax the rich and nationalise what's left.

His limp suggestions of some airy-fairy new CU and SM access is tosh and just a ruse to further his main objective which is to unseat the government at whatever cost to the country. Corbyn's ideals trump everything. He will oppose every single thing that the government tables often before he's even read or understood it.

If this was May 1940 with our troops on the beaches he would have been talking about child diphtheria or even done a deal with Hitler if it meant Germany leaving us alone so Jezzer could get into power.

In truth the man has no sense of a world outside of England other than aggrieved pseudo states like Palestine. He'd let Scotland go and Northern Ireland - at a stroke.

If the Cornish protested enough hardship he'd give them independence too. They are all irritations which detract from the grand commune of his dreams.

And as for the first care of every leader - to protect it's citizens - then forget that too.

Anyone looking to Jeremy Corbyn to fix this Brexit debacle will be disappointed.
 
Dobba said:
Wait, 'toppling the government' is now the priority? I thought it was a second referendum yesterday?
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Why is it an either or? If Brexit gets cancelled then the government is going to be untenable. The Tories will be ripping each others throats out at their self perceived complete failure, and an election is then almost inevitable.

Dobba said:
So what's the People's Vote plan for this day after Brexit goes away? Will we finally be able to find 20 minutes to talk about people's lives again, or will we have to make do with 5?
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Why would it be the People's Vote plan? Once the second referendum is won, Labour can go straight for the Tories throats on all the stuff that lead to Brexit, austerity, economic inequality, poverty, yeah the stuff that led people to wanting Brexit in the first place. They can do it and frame it as 'Yes Brexit isn't happening, so here's how we're going to answer those issues that lead us here instead of just going back to the old neo-liberal economics that left so many people behind'. There's a huge appetite for re-balancing the economic playing field back towards the many not the few. If Jeremy could drop his ideological hobby horses and focus just on those economic issues, then he can do some actual good.
 
Dobba said:
If only there was some sort of ongoing debate on Brexit this week.

Bloody Corbyn wanting to talk about actual people's lives again.
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Ffs, why do you always have to come to his defence like he is a hopeless old man being harassed by Internet bullies?

Brexit is about people's lives. It should be the priority right now. No one is suggesting other issues should be ignored. If Jeremy cannot prioritise Brexit right now, when will he? Will he ever?
 
RedChip said:
Ffs, why do you always have to come to his defence like he is a hopeless old man being harassed by Internet bullies?

Brexit is about people's lives. It should be the priority right now. No one is suggesting other issues should be ignored. If Jeremy cannot prioritise Brexit right now, when will he? Will he ever?
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Kentonio said:
Why is it an either or? If Brexit gets cancelled then the government is going to be untenable. The Tories will be ripping each others throats out at their self perceived complete failure, and an election is then almost inevitable.
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Ask the people who were spitting feathers at the fact Labour wanted an election over a second referendum that question.

Kentonio said:
Why would it be the People's Vote plan? Once the second referendum is won, Labour can go straight for the Tories throats on all the stuff that lead to Brexit, austerity, economic inequality, poverty, yeah the stuff that led people to wanting Brexit in the first place. They can do it and frame it as 'Yes Brexit isn't happening, so here's how we're going to answer those issues that lead us here instead of just going back to the old neo-liberal economics that left so many people behind'. There's a huge appetite for re-balancing the economic playing field back towards the many not the few. If Jeremy could drop his ideological hobby horses and focus just on those economic issues, then he can do some actual good.
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Sorry, but the people who've spent the last three or so years refusing to sit on the shadow cabinet and/or resigning en mass when given jobs in it aren't suddenly going to rally towards a Corbyn led government. These people don't give a toss about ending neo-liberal economics, they've spent the majority of their political careers backing it and voting for it. Before Brexit came along and distracted them all, they were almost all in favour of austerity, economic inequality and poverty - heck, the usual response for who they'd rather be in charge of the party is the woman who decided her mission in life was going to be making work capability assessments 'tougher'. That's how desperate they are to reverse the circumstances that led to Leave winning in the first place.

RedChip said:
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Oh, you were serious? Go back to the response to any PMQs where Corbyn didn't spend his 20 minutes screaming about Brexit.
 
Dobba said:
Ask the people who were spitting feathers at the fact Labour wanted an election over a second referendum that question.
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I don't need to ask them, I'm one of them. I'm spitting feathers over it, because I don't believe that Corbyn would hold a second referendum under those circumstances, and him trying to implement his economic ideas in the fact of a depressed post-Brexit economy would doom him to failure. And more importantly, doom progressive economic movement to failure in at least the short term.

Dobba said:
Sorry, but the people who've spent the last three or so years refusing to sit on the shadow cabinet and/or resigning en mass when given jobs in it aren't suddenly going to rally towards a Corbyn led government. These people don't give a toss about ending neo-liberal economics, they've spent the majority of their political careers backing it and voting for it. Before Brexit came along and distracted them all, they were almost all in favour of austerity, economic inequality and poverty - heck, the usual response for who they'd rather be in charge of the party is the woman who decided her mission in life was going to be making work capability assessments 'tougher'. That's how desperate they are to reverse the circumstances that led to Leave winning in the first place.
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So what difference exactly is just holding a new election and skipping the referendum going to make? Either Jeremy can command the authority of his party or he can't. Personally I think in the face of a strong electoral push those MPs will come around to his message, just like the neo-liberal Democrats in the US have moved towards progressive stances. Stamping on their desires over Brexit though certainly isn't going to strengthen the likelihood of that happening.
 
afrocentricity said:
He's Corbyn.
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Dobba said:
Remain, which just about beats complete indifference by the width of a rizla. In fact, I'd rate the EU 5.000001/10.
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Such a Corbyn-esque answer to the question too!

I am sceptical that such a Corbyn devotee and dyed in the wool traditional hard lefty like you Dobby isn't a secret leaver like Jez.

Come now, you must have a little hankering for that socialist utopia that can't exist in the EU.
 
Kentonio said:
Personally I think in the face of a strong electoral push those MPs will come around to his message, just like the neo-liberal Democrats in the US have moved towards progressive stances. Stamping on their desires over Brexit though certainly isn't going to strengthen the likelihood of that happening.
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Is there a second Democrat party in the US that I've not heard of? Because the one I saw have a mediocre victory in the recent elections were quick to talk about how they were going to work with Trump.

Classical Mechanic said:
Such a Coryn-esque answer to the question too!

I am sceptical such a Corbyn devotee and dyed in the wool traditional hard lefy like you Dobby isn't a secret leaver like Jez.
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The EU is a steaming pile of shit, sitting on the sidelines whilst people within it suffer at the hands of austerity or refugees drown. Their pile is just slightly smaller than any country being led by a Tory government.
 
Dobba said:
Ask the people who were spitting feathers at the fact Labour wanted an election over a second referendum that question.


Sorry, but the people who've spent the last three or so years refusing to sit on the shadow cabinet and/or resigning en mass when given jobs in it aren't suddenly going to rally towards a Corbyn led government. These people don't give a toss about ending neo-liberal economics, they've spent the majority of their political careers backing it and voting for it. Before Brexit came along and distracted them all, they were almost all in favour of austerity, economic inequality and poverty - heck, the usual response for who they'd rather be in charge of the party is the woman who decided her mission in life was going to be making work capability assessments 'tougher'. That's how desperate they are to reverse the circumstances that led to Leave winning in the first place.


Oh, you were serious? Go back to the response to any PMQs where Corbyn didn't spend his 20 minutes screaming about Brexit.
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So there are people suggesting other issues should be ignored? Because I said, 'No one is suggesting other issues should be ignored', and you responded with a smiley.
 
Can the mindless Corbyn bashing just go in the Corbyn thread. Moaning about 20mins when there's a 5 day debate and a TV debate is obviously just moany nonsense.

There's around 2000 minutes dedicated in parlaiment to debating brexit. If you think an opportunity has been lost by not using an additional 20 min slot to be about brexit you're mental
 
I don't think there's gonna be a TV debate, guys.
 
Smores said:
Can the mindless Corbyn bashing just go in the Corbyn thread. Moaning about 20mins when there's a 5 day debate and a TV debate is obviously just moany nonsense.

There's around 2000 minutes dedicated in parlaiment to debating brexit. If you think an opportunity has been lost by not using an additional 20 min slot to be about brexit you're mental
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You're right. Corbyn is totally irrelevant to Brexit. I don't think they're really moaning about 20 minutes today, more like the past two and a half years.
 
I don't think it matters what topics Corbyn brings up at PMQs. May never answers a question.
 
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