Which is what?
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Which is what?
Now the people's vote is irrelevant - no deal or no May only leaves Remain
To force the government into a new solution. Which is clearly a second referendum. They might try for Norway first, but I can’t see it being achievable in the time.
Norway is worse than May's deal and a second referendum only works if the result is remain and there's not enough time.
There is enough time for another referendum. Other countries have done it in weeks, its achievable if there's enough will in parliament.
If they can then it's a choice between Remain and No deal which basically what it was in June 2016.
Yup, agreed.
Revoking is what everyone wants really though, isn't it?
That text is great news for Northern Ireland.
I'm sick of seeing the Northern Irish people getting sidelined in this, if any country needs a vote its them.
10 unelected officials are holding them back.
I'm sick of seeing the Northern Irish people getting sidelined in this, if any country needs a vote its them.
10 unelected officials are holding them back.
Would genuinely throw the whole fcuking lot of them in the sea.
It is a complete train crash this. Hard to say what way it will go. Like I said before like some nightmarish platform game.
You have to remember the 17.4m. Norway/2nd Ref./Brexit pull-out could all cause major civil problems - if you think France was bad then think again.
The government asked the question, parliament massively backed it being asked. Parliament massively backed triggering A50. The two biggest parties campaigned on honouring the vote in the 2015 GE. Nearly 600 MP's are in a job on the back of this.
If Parliament somehow turns this over I fear there will be consequences the like of which none of us alive today will have seen. Jumps in the £ and markets will be irrelevant against the reaction it would cause. Remember a good many of those leavers were hard-up folk who were told that the EU were the source of all their ills and promised a better and brighter future.
Then there are the Leave options.
No deal is the least problem in terms of the vote being honoured but the most problem for the the other 16.1m - and eventually the winning 17.4m once they find that their lives have actually got worse.
I think Norway (and Labour's idea - because that is what it is) will will be totally unacceptable to leavers. And not that good for remainers. Why have what we had without any say in anything, paying money into it and accepting free movement?
Remainers, who fear no deal may settle for Norway.
Leavers who fear no Brexit may settle for May's deal.
May does have some points here.
People keep saying this. You do realise this is British people we're talking about here?
They'll do fcuk all but slam their tea mugs down a bit harder. This is a country that let the banks and the government feck over their children multiple times over without so much as a whimper.
Only the scumbags who were already scumbags will riot and all that jazz.
There will be backlash regardless, so why worry more about the leave vote reaction than you would about the remain vote reaction? Just do what you need to do for the best of the country and its populace and worry about the "what ifs" after...
Exactly this. The British people did basically nothing more than tut loudly as the Tories shredded the NHS, Education and Policing, but apparently they’re going to burn down the country over EU membership? Sorry but I roll to disbelieve.
Not on this one I fear. The trouble is you actually asked people a direct question and promised to enact their wish.
Those aspects are all subject to debate and will depend which side of the divide you are on. As far as many leavers are concerned the issue here is black and white.
An extremely fecking vague wish. Technically May's deal sorts out their issues. It's shite for the country but it's still honouring the vote in a way.
And I still don't believe anything of significance will happen. People are all talk - we'll just have the odd nutcase doing nutcase things - which happens anyway.
EDIT: Re your next post - that's the problem all along, there's nothing black and white about the ref vote choice. The only certainty was the remain option - the leave option was a black-box.
With regards to the civil unrest debate:
You've got 17.4mil brexit voters that may be pissed off if we end up staying. Deduct those that have now changed their mind or are more neutral/worred.
You've got 53mil people in the UK over the age of 16 that may be pissed off if we end up leaving as reality unfolds on them.
You've got 17.4mil brexit voters that may be pissed off if we end up staying. Deduct those that have now changed their mind or are more neutral/worred.
You've got 53mil people in the UK over the age of 16 that may be pissed off if we end up leaving as reality unfolds on them.
Not the case in Tottenham in 2011. That was over one incident and it spread. This has far deeper consequences. Your team won 1-0 fair and square and someone comes along and say's no. The other team won.
Riots are forgotten in a few weeks anyway
You really think France is going to implode and never recover from their recent riots?
You really think France is going to implode and never recover from their recent riots?
London riots only lasted a number of days though? For all the looting and stuff, it was over pretty quickly.
Even if it a bit of unrest occurred for a few weeks, that's still something I'd file under 'fcuk all happened'.
I call BS. Other than the reasons mentioned in response to your previous post. Why would the potential reaction of leave voters being ignored be any more dangerous than the potential reaction of remain voters feeling they have been pushed into turmoil for at least a decade against their wishes? Based on a marginal majority of people that voted in 2016, add dishonesty, fake news and lies right up until where we are today....
How do you see that reaction manifesting anyway?
That riot was a reaction to a police shooting, different reasons, different history, different demographics.... It's apples and oranges.
I can see the army of mobility scooters rolling down whitehall as we speak 
Only the 'hardcore' no deal muppets would actually be that angry about it. The rest of those who voted leave will just pout a bit - if they're even still paying attention.
I'd bet a chunk of leave voters just want to forget the whole thing or don't even realise we haven't already left.
Only the 'hardcore' no deal muppets would actually be that angry about it. The rest of those who voted leave will just pout a bit - if they're even still paying attention.
I'd bet a chunk of leave voters just want to forget the whole thing or don't even realise we haven't already left.
I agree that this 'no Brexit' civil unrest stuff is massively overdone. A bit of silliness aside, it will mostly just be sullen acceptance.
#GolfClap
Which means that No deal is not off the table, because it would still happen if Leave won another referendum or if there is no other option.
I hope that the UK wake up in time and also not believe in Corbyn's fantasy either.
If Leave won a second referendum then Britain deserves the hardest of hard Brexits.
If only there was some sort of ongoing debate on Brexit this week.
Bloody Corbyn wanting to talk about actual people's lives again.
The political editor of the Times put it well..
Corbyn has the political instincts of a first year student union member. This is a time when the government is teetering on the brink of collapse, and this fecking idiot is handing them exactly what they need the most to restabilize.
There is a 5 day fecking debate on Brexit happening this week. I realise actual living people's lives are of little importance to the Westminster bubble, but I didn't think 5 questions in a 20 minute window would be too much.
He asks the same ones every week and gets the same answers though.
Whereas if he asked questions on Brexit, may would resign on the spot and offer him the front door keys to Number 10? Or she'd spew out 'national interest' a half dozen times and the political editor of the Times and Nick Robinson can wank themselves silly over her stoicism.
It's quite staggering how everyone clamouring for a People's Vote isn't even able to pretend to be concerned about the lives of the very people they'd have to try and get to vote their way. The pride they take in it too is something else.
You're talking about the patient with a broken leg when the hospital is on fire.
The patient has been wrongfully deported and died without access to medical care, whilst the media giggle at how the person responsible for their deportation dances to ABBA.
Too soon?
PMQs for Corbyn is merely a mechanism to generate effective video clips for social media which is all that he can expect given May's constant refusal to answer any questions directly and without waffle. PMQs is utterly pointless for anything else and has been for many years. Corbyn, to his credit, understands this and although the twitter commentariat may deride his questioning today he has managed to get himself a nice little clip of him scolding the PM for laughing at poverty which Labour can wheel out out at the next election.
Watch him talk about the UN report for the whole 5 days. It's not that the report is not important and is not deserving of mention and discussion. But this is basically Corbyn stuck on 1 gear, the one that is about inequality and the poor. He's out of his comfort zone talking about anything else or having a clear and coherent position about other important political matters. Or he's entirely disinterested, who knows.
Ironically, Brexit will lead to a recession by even the most optimistic govt estimates. The effects of which are always felt the most by the most vulnerable. Yet he's still failing to form a clear alternative position as a leader of the opposition party. The most opposition May is facing is from the backbenchers in her own party, the DUP, the Lib Dems and the SNP. While Corbyn's Labour appears essentially indifferent, unlike their voting base.
Will it be bad enough that daring to take 20 minutes to talk about the people who are affected by it, won't be mocked by the media? Because, obviously the current lot hasn't reached that yet.
You mean repeating the same things he's been saying for month after month, at a point where there's a critically important issue with a rapidly declining time limit happening?
There's a five day debate on Brexit. Five days.
Do you think he's going to bring down the government if he asks 6 more questions on Brexit? If so, I can do you a cracking deal on some magic beans.