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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Dobba said:
By all means, you may know more than the bloke who has been talking to the actual negotiators for two and a half years, I just highly doubt it.
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The three main points that have been discussed are
Citizen rights
The settlement
The Irish border

The EU have said hundreds of times the 4 freedoms will not be negotiated and the backstop is there while a solution to the Irish border does not exist.
I've no idea what you think can be different or better.

The trade talks and all the rest start in April.
 
Cable talking now and making a lot of sense, allowed to talk too because the majority of the Tories have done their few hours work for the day and have retired to the Commons Bar.
 
Much of what can and can't be achieved with Brexit has been spelt out since day one. If Labour supporters believe they can negotiate fantasy deals that breach that reality then more fool them, they're every bit as delusional as their Tory supporting counterparts.
 
shamans said:
My English friend who wanted to leave wants to leave even more now because EU is "bullying us"
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You have shitty taste in friends. (Insert the abbreviation for ‘laugh out loud’ here because the text speak function on this site is stupid and prefers green smileys to a simple tla)
 
sullydnl said:
Much of what can and can't be achieved with Brexit has been spelt out since day one. If Labour supporters believe they can negotiate fantasy deals that breach that reality then more fool them, they're every bit as delusional as their Tory supporting counterparts.
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It's just optics, you've got Starmer and McDonnel pushing towards a referendum and backing amendments. Corbyns words are just for effect so it doesn't make Mays job easier in painting it as a party issue although she's giving it a good go anyway.

May threatens a no deal falsely and Corbyn a renegotiation. Neither have any intention of doing as such
 
Dobba said:
Labour want either a general election or, failing that, a second referendum. If the former happens and Labour win (or as Corbyn put it in that tweet the Tories 'give way to those who will'), we find out what Starmer's frequent meetings with the EU have told him. You must remember those, because they're usually followed by whining that Corbyn hasn't gone over there himself.

How many times have they got to come out and say it? Heck, how have you managed to miss People's Vote whining that they'd dare put something in front of their second vote?
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Yeah Labour have been so clear about their intentions. They've moved from Corbyn hiding behind 'respecting the referendum result' to now hiding behind 'a second referendum is still on the table' after the grass roots forced them to.
They're intellectually and morally bankrupt opposition to a borderline fascist set of bastards.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
See that the future of the UK is so important that there are hardly any MP's in attendance at the debate.
Few Brexiters in attendance like Paterson talking crap.
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It was packed and rowdy earlier but you can’t expect them to work for more than a few hours.
 
To be fair to them having had it on in the background whilst working from home, a lot of them were there for a very long time today and yesterday and will be for the next 4 days.
 
Smores said:
To be fair to them having had it on in the background whilst working from home, a lot of them were there for a very long time today and yesterday and will be for the next 4 days.
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I used to do 12-16 hour days 6-7 days a week for weeks at a time and was often lucky if I didn’t have to eat breakfast and staff dinner while on the go. All to cook some feckin poncey food.

Forgive me if I don’t have a lot of sympathy for these people who are supposed to be running the country and can’t be bothered to sit on their arses for more than a few hours to debate the most important issues of our lifetime. By all means nip out for some food, a coffee and some fresh air if you need it but 3/4 of the house buggered off well over an hour ago with no intention of coming back.
 
Pexbo said:
I used to do 12-16 hour days 6-7 days a week for weeks at a time and was often lucky if I didn’t have to eat breakfast and staff dinner while on the go. All to cook some feckin poncey food.

Forgive me if I don’t have a lot of sympathy for these people who are supposed to be running the country and can’t be bothered to sit on their arses for more than a few hours to debate the most important issues of our lifetime. By all means nip out for some food, a coffee and some fresh air if you need it but 3/4 of the house buggered off well over an hour ago with no intention of coming back.
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It's less work hours (as they'll be working elsewhere) and more that you can only sit and hear the same arguments over and over for so long. The length of the debates is more to allow ample time for backbenchers to speak on record than it is for genuine discussion.
 
Pexbo said:
I used to do 12-16 hour days 6-7 days a week for weeks at a time and was often lucky if I didn’t have to eat breakfast and staff dinner while on the go. All to cook some feckin poncey food.

Forgive me if I don’t have a lot of sympathy for these people who are supposed to be running the country and can’t be bothered to sit on their arses for more than a few hours to debate the most important issues of our lifetime. By all means nip out for some food, a coffee and some fresh air if you need it but 3/4 of the house buggered off well over an hour ago with no intention of coming back.
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I don't think that's necessarily a healthy lifestyle for anyone to lead though, irrespective of what you do.

Granted, I agree with your general point about MP's not attending these debates, due to their obvious importance, but I do feel like the occasional captions you see of HoC debates with not that many MP's in attendance can be a bit simplistic and manipulative. There are some issues wherein it makes sense for a small handful of MP's with some expertise in said issue to debate it. Albeit this isn't obviously one of them.
 
Dobba said:
Yeah. I wish he'd insisted the party came out against Trident with the last manifesto and I'd quite like the next one to propose a referendum on the future of the British monarchy. He was also far too generous when he rated the EU as 7/10 on that infamous episode of The Last Leg.
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He can kiss my vote goodbye forever if he ever tries that shit with Trident. Also since when was the Labour Party supposedly a dictatorship where the leader gets to impose his own policies on the party membership? You want Labour to turn into the Tories?
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
You have shitty taste in friends. (Insert the abbreviation for ‘laugh out loud’ here because the text speak function on this site is stupid and prefers green smileys to a simple tla)
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I'm just surprised because this friend of mine is usually a pretty smart guy, he has traveled the world and loves different cultures. For some reason he is incredibly pro brexit. To be honest he has convinced me that it won't be as bad as people make it out to be. Personally I see Brexit as a step backwards for England but I think the whole doomsday thing seems speculative? I really don't know much about the whole issue though.
 
It's an utter shambles. Her deal won't get approved so this means a likely GE happening before the departure date of 29th March. If that happens, whoever comes out in power will need to renegotiate the deal on the table so surely A50 gets extended no matter what? I just hope that if there is a GE that there is at least an informed discussion. Surely this is what Labour have been waiting for and have been building a full, complete and crystal clear manifesto??

Lib Dems have a chance if they promise to withdraw A50, but doubt they will ever get enough voters and could see the Tories stay in power with a clown like Johnson at the wheel which would be the worst outcome for all.
 
I'd say Brexit is possibly not going to happen now after yesterday. Still think it will sadly but there is at least a chance now it can be stopped.
 
I’m hopeful that most likely looking outcome is that Brexit now won’t happen, Labour will win a GE next year and will have to clear up the mess left by Cameron, May and the rest of their disgraceful governments.
 
I think the odds of a referendum or a GE are very high but I'm not at all convinced that the turkeys won't vote for christmas.
 
Those polls above (and others recently) show that the best bet for getting a Remain win in any 2nd referendum is to extend the franchise. There is clearly little point trying to persuade the core Leave vote to change their mind.
 
Smores said:
I think the odds of a referendum or a GE are very high but I'm not at all convinced that the turkeys won't vote for christmas.
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I'm not sure the odds are that high
Can't see may proposing a second referendum (I think she would rather default to the legal position of no deal and leave on 29th march)
And whilst I think there will be a confidence vote I think the dup will back her and trust she will go to hard brexit
 
sun_tzu said:
I'm not sure the odds are that high
Can't see may proposing a second referendum (I think she would rather default to the legal position of no deal and leave on 29th march)
And whilst I think there will be a confidence vote I think the dup will back her and trust she will go to hard brexit
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Yesterday's vote changed the situation. It's not now all on May to have to propose a new referendum, parliament just voted itself the right to vote on other options.
 
I was reading the technicalities of a referendum last week. I wasn't aware a referendum would take at least five months to prepare.
If there's going to be one, we have to make the decision quickly.
 
Adisa said:
I was reading the technicalities of a referendum last week. I wasn't aware a referendum would take at least five months to prepare.
If there's going to be one, we have to make the decision quickly.
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It doesn't have to take 5 months, they're talking bollocks. Other countries have arranged them in a fraction of that time, it just requires political will.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Surely that will go against the "will of the people"? Be a huge backlash if that ends up happening.
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It probably wouldn't be pretty, although riots in the streets, I'm not so sure.

Kentonio said:
Yesterday's vote changed the situation. It's not now all on May to have to propose a new referendum, parliament just voted itself the right to vote on other options.
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Indeed. Grieve's amendment and the opinion given by the ECJ Advocate General (assuming it becomes a formal ruling) have altered the situation to the extent that no deal has gone from being the most likely outcome, to the least likely.
 
Infra-red said:
Grieve's amendment and the opinion given by the ECJ Advocate General (assuming it becomes a formal ruling) have altered the situation to the extent that no deal has gone from being the most likely outcome, to the least likely.
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Is this how most see it now?
 
afrocentricity said:
Ok ELI5?
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If there is a second referendum, then, unlike in June 16, all UK citizens living outside the UK but in another EU state would have the right to vote. It is likely that the vast majority of these UK citizens are pro-Remain as they are likely to be most directly hit by the UK ceasing to be part of the EU (whether in terms of work and residence permits, reciprocal health care etc). These extra Remain votes may help swing the result.
 
Kentonio said:
It doesn't have to take 5 months, they're talking bollocks. Other countries have arranged them in a fraction of that time, it just requires political will.
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The article said something about Electoral Commission guidelines. Itsnt that something set in stone?
 
MoskvaRed said:
If there is a second referendum, then, unlike in June 16, all UK citizens living outside the UK but in another EU state would have the right to vote. It is likely that the vast majority of these UK citizens are pro-Remain as they are likely to be most directly hit by the UK ceasing to be part of the EU (whether in terms of work and residence permits, reciprocal health care etc). These extra Remain votes may help swing the result.
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Ah I get ya now. Cheers...
 
Adisa said:
The article said something about Electoral Commission guidelines. Itsnt that something set in stone?
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I think the four steps leading up to the vote are -

1. Parliamentary legislation
2. Review by the Electoral Commission
3. Choose official campaign teams
4. Campaign

I have read 22 weeks as a minimum figure. I imagine the first two items are the most complex and contentious although I am sure we could accelerate the last two steps (would we really need another 10 weeks of campaigning when it has dominated the news for 3 years?).
 
sun_tzu said:
I'm not sure the odds are that high
Can't see may proposing a second referendum (I think she would rather default to the legal position of no deal and leave on 29th march)
And whilst I think there will be a confidence vote I think the dup will back her and trust she will go to hard brexit
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Hard Brexit is effectively dead now as an option - as is no deal. Moog and his cronies have utterly failed.
 
Adisa said:
The article said something about Electoral Commission guidelines. Itsnt that something set in stone?
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Nothing is set in stone. We forget sometimes but parliament actually is sovereign and things like the Electoral Commission are subject to parliaments decision making. The only question is whether parliament chooses to use its almost unlimited powers or not.
 
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