I hate her. She fluked her way to Number 10 and now forcing this crap on us.
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Boris sticking the knife in and giving it a good old twist.
It's almost impossible to be more incompetent than May but Corbyn seems to have no trouble.
It would only be natural to hold a second and final referendum once all the cards are on the table, since the initial referendum didn't specify what kind of Brexit people would get and it was decided by the smallest of majorities anyway. If no deal Brexit is indeed the will of the people then they will simply vote for it a second time.
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But for some reason, this would apparently undermine democracy.
fecking hell Corbyn. Just look at the massive majority Remain has in all these polls on the subject of Brexit or even if people want a second referendum.
We're still into polls, right? That whole 'Labour would be 20 points ahead if they came out as against Brexit/if Yvette Cooper was leader' shit still applies?
That's not the point, there is no better deal to be had and Corbyn is going to make the EU do what exactly?
So Corbyn goes 'this deal sucks, feck whatever Starmer has been talking to the EU about for the last two years, lets remain', the Tories all resign and insist they're replaced by their local Labour candidate and we can forget the whole thing and really hope nobody takes advantage of the voting public being ignored when it comes to the next elections?
This could be critical.
No the genie's out of the bottle and can't be put back in but whatever Corbyn's tactics are or were, they aren't working. If Labour vote the deal down and it ends up as a no deal, guess who's getting a lot of the blame for doing nothing for three years . Him and his six tests , only remain passes the tests.
I think you guys should cut it short.....
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The Tories who called the referendum and have since voted for it every step of the wa...
Oh no wait, Corbyn. I forgot for a second that a referendum dreamt up by Cameron to try and calm a fight within the Conservative party was Jeremy Corbyn's fault, my bad. He did after all only rate the EU 7/10 on The Last Leg.
Given today's events, I'd love to see what Corbyn's tactics working looks like if this isn't it.
They were though. I remember a BBC journalist interviewing him on the bus during the campaign saying he was lying about about what we send to the EU because of the rebate. They ended up arguing like children with Johnson continuing to deny he was lying as the journalist repeated the accusation at him.
As has been said before, we live in a post truth society where people believe what they want to regardless of the merits of the argument.
Three years come next April if the Uk leave without a deal, he said very little leading up to the referendum and very little since. It will be four years since Cameron tried to kill off UKIP.
So given today's events, what happens next, if the deal is voted down (which is not actually a deal but what the EU are prepared to offer which has been known since day one) either the UK revoke Article 50 and remain or it's no deal.
Which one does Corbyn want - he says he wants to respect the referendum result thus he wants no deal.
Has anyone asked a question as simple as;
“Do you believe that more than 50% of the country currently wants to leave the EU”...?
It’s 100% anecdotal but two things are true;
1. Nobody I’ve spoken to that voted Remain, wants to now leave.
2. Many people that I’ve spoken To that voted leave, now want to remain.
The government is an absolute joke.
I’d take Trump over May or Corbyn
“Do you believe that more than 50% of the country currently wants to leave the EU”...?
It’s 100% anecdotal but two things are true;
1. Nobody I’ve spoken to that voted Remain, wants to now leave.
2. Many people that I’ve spoken To that voted leave, now want to remain.
The government is an absolute joke.
I’d take Trump over May or Corbyn
I wasn't talking about Johnson but in general hardly anyone is challenged by what they say. Very little is challenged even in parliament.
You can thank the genius that is Alan Johnson for that, who lead the Labour Remain campaign and wanted nothing to do with Corbyn or Momentum. Thankfully there hasn't been an election since where those two working together has made him look like an absolute fecking idiot, or I'm sure your ire would be in his direction.
What a mad bastard. Just ignore it and all the people who voted to leave will wake up like when they kill the enemy at the end of an episode of Doctor Who. I'm sure you could make Tommy Robinson and his new UKIP mates and/or what Nigel Farage comes up with next to pinky promise not to use the fact the voting public were ignored in all their future election campaigning.
You're avoiding my point.
We are where we are - Corbyn will now vote down May's deal which does respect the referendum result.
What happens next - either the UK cancels Brexit or it leaves with no deal. Which one is Corbyn in favour of?
He can't cancel Brexit because that doesn't respect the referendum result, he can't satisfy his six tests because that means the UK have to remain to satisfy them, there is no renegotiation, only remaining option is no deal.
So does Corbyn favour No Deal - simple question - Yes or No?
There's no way Labour get blamed for the Tories brexit
Labour want either a general election or, failing that, a second referendum. If the former happens and Labour win (or as Corbyn put it in that tweet the Tories 'give way to those who will'), we find out what Starmer's frequent meetings with the EU have told him. You must remember those, because they're usually followed by whining that Corbyn hasn't gone over there himself.
How many times have they got to come out and say it? Heck, how have you managed to miss People's Vote whining that they'd dare put something in front of their second vote?
You don't half go off on one... Do you have any criticisms for Corbyn?
Yeah. I wish he'd insisted the party came out against Trident with the last manifesto and I'd quite like the next one to propose a referendum on the future of the British monarchy. He was also far too generous when he rated the EU as 7/10 on that infamous episode of The Last Leg.
Sorry if pointing out that the brains trust of 2016 Labour decided to let Alan Johnson run their remain campaign, was inconvenient for you.
Are you refering to the election that Corbyn lost?
Not inconvenient at all. Maybe I'm wrong I'm sure I've missed loads but all I see is another politician playing politics. His non committal snakery is incredibly disappointing/disheartening/dishonest/etc...
To see you so forcefully fighting his corner. Just wondered is all...
That's the one.
Like Alan Johnson lost the Labour argument at the Brexit referendum, I'm sure you were going to go on to explain.
I know Labour want a general election, whether there is one is doubtful , whether Labour wins is doubtful. The Tories or rather the civil service have been in non-stop discussions with the EU for the best part of two years and the Uk have got exactly what was expected. Labour / Starmer will change nothing. The 4 freedoms and the backstop are not up for discussion. The second part of the negotiation will start after the UK leaves in March if May's deal survives.
I know the UK still think, even after all this time, that the EU are just waiting around to see which cherries the UK would like and which leader will be in charge. The first part is over, either the UK go ahead with the deal, they revoke A50 or they leave with no deal. No more fantasy from the Tories or Labour.
Yeah, I'm going to stick with the views of Keir Starmer. I think if he'd spent the last 2 and a half years being told by the EU that he'd 'change nothing' should he have been leading the negotiations he'd probably have mentioned that and told Corbyn that Labour should either back May's deal or go all out for a second vote by now.
Tell me what you expect that Starmer could possibly get and you still haven't answered my question.
Hang on, let me climb into his mind so I can listen to the conversations he's been having with them for the last 2 and a half years.
What could May and her merry band of cretins have got if she had different red lines in her negotiations?
I must have misunderstood your point. Sounded like you were taking vindication from an election loss.
So you've no idea but you're believing that he would achieve something.
May is claiming she negotiated down the money to be paid, the 100bn was only something claimed by one of the British papers and the EU have never said a figure publicly. The second success she is claiming is that the whole of the UK will be covered by the CU in the backstop, which is rather good news for the EU.
This isn't May's deal, this is what was on offer since the beginning, just finer points have been tweeked.
Corbyn can call May a hopeless negotiator, he may well be right, but there's not been really a lot to be negotiated.
The real negotiations start in April but by then we'll know how the UK will be leaving (or not) as the case may be.
Is there any possibility for the UK to negotiate a delay in order to have another referendum - deal on offer vs remain presumably? Or would that take revocation of A50 and start again?
It's possible.
By all means, you may know more than the bloke who has been talking to the actual negotiators for two and a half years, I just highly doubt it.
Given the shadow international trade secretary happily described the most substantive of their six tests when behind closed doors as "bollocks" (for which he was not sacked), I'm going to suggest their public statements on the matter may not actually be what they really think.
Everyone knows Labour's position is a fudge to walk the line between angering the two poles of support in the party, let's not pretend it's being put forward in good faith.
Everyone knows Labour's position is a fudge to walk the line between angering the two poles of support in the party, let's not pretend it's being put forward in good faith.
My English friend who wanted to leave wants to leave even more now because EU is "bullying us"
It's come at a very bad time because the EU have elections for the EU parliament on 23rd and 26th May and candidates have to be presented in early May. The new parliament starts sitting at the beginning of July. As it stands the Uk will be leaving and thus will have no seats in the EU parliament an thus have left so the very latest would have to be by end April realistically. So if it is possible the Uk have got a possible month extension. But as it takes longer than that to organise a referendum even if it started next week ,I don't see it.
Someone has floated the possibility that MPs act as MEPs for an interim period. No idea if thats actually possible.