Let’s burn all text books. Demolish schools and universities. Not needed for window cleaning and fruit picking.
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Now, what will do when all the future CEOs decide they cant be fecked going to exclusive universities and joining secret societies to do buttstuff and then not being adequately compensated for all that effort and pressure and responsibility?
The government will provide everything so what do you need to learn to read and write for?
Engineer? Scientist? No point you won’t be paid a red cent more. Window cleaning all the way for me
i bet there are tons of people who become scientists to get rich
the aspirational, i earned my money and should get paid lots bullshit falls apart when we have an economy set up to reward people born into wealth more than people who actively contribute to making society better
it falls apart when we have a government driving doctors to strike over wages while house prices double every decade
it falls apart when schools are asking parents to buy supplies and donate money for wages while phillip green is stealing his workers pensions
anyone who buys into that, while voting for the party of jeremy hunt is either a liar a moron
it falls apart when we have a government driving doctors to strike over wages while house prices double every decade
it falls apart when schools are asking parents to buy supplies and donate money for wages while phillip green is stealing his workers pensions
anyone who buys into that, while voting for the party of jeremy hunt is either a liar a moron
Regulate and reform ffs. But don’t chuck the baby out with the bath water.
Not in Silva’s UK there won’t be. Lots of fruit pickers though..
scientific researchers should be better paid than managers
so should fruit pickers, it's a fecking hard work compared to the overwhelming majority of jobs in the higher tax brackets
Who is going to put the research into practice?
it's amazing how the people who promote a "work hard get paid" economic system often denigrate hard working professions like cleaners and fruit pickers, then use doctors as their go to example when we live in a country where doctors are routinely fecked by the government, or science researchers who frequently work in underfunded labs and barely get paid enough to pay rent in the cities where science research takes place
Most people won't be arguing for the country to give its people everything - a basic social safety net to ensure people can live comfortably is fair. I'd imagine most people in such a position will still want to do well for themselves, and will still have passions etc they wish to pursue. Indeed as automation accelerates current economic models will mean a lot of people find themselves out of work anyway irrespective of how ambitious or hard-working they are. As a result of that the government are probably going to need to provide for people to a certain extent.
I'm all for hard work and don't doubt you've done well for yourself through that - but at the same time, in any capitalistic system, if everyone hypothetically does work hard you're still going to inevitably end up with people who don't really benefit economically because they've been beaten out by others. Which means that while, yeah, hard work is obviously important, it's no guarantee of success. Plenty of ambitious, intelligent people don't get anywhere in life because they either don't get the opportunities, are unlucky, or have, say, strenuous family commitments that need to be met and which stop them from pursuing potential success economically.
Trained marmosats
Many doctors in the UK are already thinking in this exact way and are leaving/ thinking of leaving, including me. As a direct result of years of appalling government policies but especially after 10 years of the most right wing government in years so not sure it makes sense to say this government are so amazingly aspirational for those who work hard.
Something for another thread too but they have just spent £700,000 absolutely crushing a junior doctor in his attempt to win whistle blowing rights for doctors by threatening him with all the legal costs if he didn't win his case.
The whole government and the current situation are a shambles.
The concept of equality under a socialist society is good in theory but it’s seriously flawed in practice and can likely never work.
Socialisms biggest challenge is human nature and thus far it hasn’t been able to succeed against greed, envy and spite among other things.
It is unlikely for it to be able to overcome any of these challenges in our lifetime.
Socialisms biggest challenge is human nature and thus far it hasn’t been able to succeed against greed, envy and spite among other things.
It is unlikely for it to be able to overcome any of these challenges in our lifetime.
You are completely out of touch if you don't belive 80k isn't a fantastical sum
If there's a demand for the jobs the ceo who's retrained as a plumber has given up then those jobs will just be taken by someone else
Thanks for the history lesson but fact is people set up business in high tax Britain. They do it today in the high tax scandi nations. America has a very high corporate tax rate and they still set up business
Funny you say this because the party that loves direct taxes are the Tories, its the most regressive form of tax hurting the poorest most
I just think you are out of touch, and haven't a clue what earning 80k would feel for 95% of this country
I don't care what they earn, only they pay their taxes. Also do you think a footballer isn't going to be a footballer because he'll be in the upper tax band?
Thread has been fecked.
You’re mixing up Socialism and Communism.
Agreed - Mods! We need a cleanup!
Can we get back to Brexit and set up a separate thread on the merits of redistributive taxation and socialism?
As for Jezza, if he doesn’t come up with a more constructive solution than rejecting May’s deal in order to renegotiate for unicorns (during a transition period which is only operative if the UK has signed the withdrawal agreement), then there will be significantly less wealth to redistribute anyway.
As for Jezza, if he doesn’t come up with a more constructive solution than rejecting May’s deal in order to renegotiate for unicorns (during a transition period which is only operative if the UK has signed the withdrawal agreement), then there will be significantly less wealth to redistribute anyway.
Spain are serious about fecking May.
Last minute cock waving
No big surprise though is it? Gibraltar was always going to be an issue.
I think they (Spain) have left it too late tbh.
Barnier meased up. He was to preoccupied with NI.
But they can have 26 cocks wave with theirs simultaneously
It's strictly a UK-Spain issue while NI is a land border issue between the EUCU and the UK.
Just shows how skewed the wealth distribution in the UK is. If you make 80k and are moaning about paying a few extra quid to have a functioning NHS and public services then there is no hope of changing your mind. After all, your employees and their families (the people that work to make you wealthy) depend on that system in order to live. You may benefit from Private healthcare but if your workers can't pay for healthcare, childcare etc then your workforce is going to struggle to support your lifestyle longterm.
I make less than half of that and would happily pay a little extra in tax if it meant the NHS was a world leading healthcare system.
Post-brexit is beginning to sound like Cambodia under Pol Pot
Don't worry, all these socialist/communist idealists soon change their tune when they get a bit of money themselves.
I remember one strategy in the 70's was to give firebrand shop-stewards senior management jobs.
Yeah I don't get it at all either. I mean I get basic human greed but the logical conclusion in the rich hoarding all the wealth and feckin everyone else over is gated communities and no go zones outside of them. Is that really what people want the future to look like because that is the way it's going.
Why do you think I am?
My workforce are paid well.
I don't mind paying extra tax. In fact I already do by virtue of the fact that over half my income is taxed at 40%.
I just object to Labour placing their funding plans wholly on the higher rate taxpayer. a) higher rate payers shoulder a large proportion of the burden already b) taxing them alone more to fund their spending plans will never cover it.
They will have to tax the whole working population at rates at 1970's levels and borrow substantially.
They can't say that though because the populist Robin Hood gloss will rub off.
Rubbish. Compared to when I worked an entry level job, I give more to charity, do volunteer work and would happily pay a bit more tax now that I earn at a higher level. Not everyone is driven by greed.
Any stats to back that up? Should be easy to see a trend of those who pay a higher rate moving away from Labour once they do?
If anything I've become more socialist the more money and higher salary I've obtained. Why would my opinion on what's just change with additional security?
This simply isn't true and can be added to the pile of other lazy comments you've made on the topic over the last day or two.