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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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its a toss(er) up

Id almost welcome cameron running for leader again - I mean he might fek pigs but at least hes not gove hunt johnson mogg etc

Cameron will go down as the worst Prime Minister since Anthony Eden,this brexit mess was his cunning plan as for Johnson & Mogg they are like members of the cast of Blackadder.
 
I think the only real points to sort out are
1. Does the EU even bother with the special meeting as its clearly a waste of time
2. Does the PM cling on long enough to see her deal voted down
3. Does she stand down or is she voted down by her own MP's

After that its a new PM and whoever that is its probably hard brexit
 
Got on a plane from Toronto to London and the pound was at about 1.15 against the Euro.

Just landed and it’s back down to 1.13.

How is she still standing?
 
I think he's been carefully positioning himself for a while. He is of course a high-profile brexiter, but can also now say he has supported the party leader as a party loyalist, he's after support from all sides of the party, and there's not many will be able to do that. I don't like him by the way, I'm just assessing his chances of being next party leader.
Even though I vote conservative I never much liked Gove. He always reminded me of the stereotypical Tory-Boy. However, having watched him a bit more closely, he has gone up in my estimation. He never complains about the roles he's given, just gets on with it. He works hard and really tries to get to the nitty-gritty of the job. He is also not afraid of radical reform. His Tory-boy image may be his undoing in terms of any ambitions of leadership he harbours but he is a very shrewd politician. He stabbed Boris in the back for a reason and not all of it was selfish. I think he knew that Bojo would definitely drive the country off a cliff. Gove is a Brexiteer, but he's not crazy.

If there is a leadership election then Gove will be well in the running in my opinion.
 
Even though I vote conservative I never much liked Gove. He always reminded me of the stereotypical Tory-Boy. However, having watched him a bit more closely, he has gone up in my estimation. He never complains about the roles he's given, just gets on with it. He works hard and really tries to get to the nitty-gritty of the job. He is also not afraid of radical reform. His Tory-boy image may be his undoing in terms of any ambitions of leadership he harbours but he is a very shrewd politician. He stabbed Boris in the back for a reason and not all of it was selfish. I think he knew that Bojo would definitely drive the country off a cliff. Gove is a Brexiteer, but he's not crazy.

If there is a leadership election then Gove will be well in the running in my opinion.

He is a lizard person.
 
Labour’s David Lammy says the deal will not get through parliament. When politics is broken, one can only put the decision back to the people, he says.

May says, when she talks to people, they tell her they just want the politicians to get on with it.
It's like a bloody parody.
 
Got on a plane from Toronto to London and the pound was at about 1.15 against the Euro.

Just landed and it’s back down to 1.13.

How is she still standing?

If she doesn't get this deal through (or unless the UK remains) the pound will collapse a lot further.
Still haven't heard one person in parliament who is in favour of it.
Toast.
 
Yeah. I do feel sorry for her. She was asked to polish a turd.

She put herself in this position it's not like she didn't know where this would go. She just decided she wanted the role of prime minister.
 
This is a tough listen.

The sheer amount of her own friends standing up and saying 'Look, you're a good person, you're a hard worker and you've done your best, but this is no good. Your saying we take a bad deal or no deal. Give it a second vote'

There has to be a second vote.
 
She put herself in this position it's not like she didn't know where this would go. She just decided she wanted the role of prime minister.

Yep. Hard to have sympathy for someone who's in this position because of their own ambition. Although if it hadn't been her would we have ended up with Johnson? Small mercies maybe.
 
She put herself in this position it's not like she didn't know where this would go. She just decided she wanted the role of prime minister.

100%

She's ploughing threw with something she doesn't believe in to the detriment to her people. She should be ashamed of herself.
 
She put herself in this position it's not like she didn't know where this would go. She just decided she wanted the role of prime minister.
Well, yes, I guess she siezed the opportunity to be PM. But you can't hold ambition against people. I don't think there has been a more difficult job for a PM in my lifetime. Brexit is genuinely complex, intractable, which is why I feel sorry for her.
 
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I would love there to be a second vote but I can't see it happening.
There's a lot of people looking at it and asking for it now. I'm kinda pessimistic on it too, but what happens if you ignore those people and just go ahead and potentially feck the country?
 
Raab has a feckin nerve resigning in a huff after being the chief negotiator! What a cnut

Apparently Raab was frozen out (maybe a good job given his confusion over the port of Dover) and the civil servants negotiated it with direct instructions from May. So this might be piqued personal pride as much as principle.
 
Have no sympathy for her whatsoever.Her policies have hurt a lot of people including Windrush. And like Cameron she will land on her feet in a cushy job when this is over.
 
I would love there to be a second vote but I can't see it happening.
Why can’t they just say that we’re not prepared for this as a country, let’s get our prep done, let’s educate the country properly, let’s get plans done properly and revisit it in say 10 years ? Never?
 
There's a lot of people looking at it and asking for it now. I'm kinda pessimistic on it too, but what happens if you ignore those people and just go ahead and potentially feck the country?
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I think I'm expecting the very worst i.e. we lurch out with no deal. That would be an economic and social disaster for the UK and far far worse for Ireland.
 
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I think I'm expecting the very worst i.e. we lurch out with no deal. That would be an economic and social disaster for the UK and far far worse for Ireland.
I mean how do those people react? I don't think they'll be rolling over, there will be a reaction...
 
How do we get to the 3rd option - no brexit?

I dunno. I can't see May going for it and if she falls a hardliner willbecome PM.

Even if the government falls doesn't that mean hard Brexit?

I can't see the series of events that might lead to a second vote. I wish I could.
 
Why can’t they just say that we’re not prepared for this as a country, let’s get our prep done, let’s educate the country properly, let’s get plans done properly and revisit it in say 10 years ? Never?
I hate Brexit but this blanket empty ''educate the people'' stuff is the worst.

This isn't how politics functions at all.
 
I dunno. I can't see May going for it and if she falls a hardliner willbecome PM.

Even if the government falls doesn't that mean hard Brexit?

I can't see the series of events that might lead to a second vote. I wish I could.

What do you think a second vote would achieve other than decide to Remain and cancel the whole thing? Trying to get a different deal from the EU is not on the cards.
 
I think May might be gone by the end of the day, only to be replaced by something even worse.