So the “lead economist of the Leave campaign” leaves it until this late in the day to finally be honest about the implications of giving the electorate the Brexit they voted for. The UK public have been treated with contempt from day one. This prick earns no kudos from me for finally putting his cards on the table.
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So the “lead economist of the Leave campaign” leaves it until this late in the day to finally be honest about the implications of giving the electorate the Brexit they voted for. The UK public have been treated with contempt from day one. This prick earns no kudos from me for finally putting his cards on the table.
What a cnut.
I just hope our government fully understands the reality of what we're dealing with over there and are planning accordingly. If stuff like this helps with that then I'm grateful for it.
I mean he's just saying what's been obvious since day one, Brexiteer's don't give a toss about NI and the border. At the time of the referendum it wasn't even talked about. If them getting out means a hard border, who cares about those 1.8m across the sea anyway?
There will be an inquiry over brexit in the future.
Sure. And, in a way, I do admire him for being one of the first high profile Brexiteers who has stopped pretending the UK can have their cake and eat it. Still an absolute thundercnut for leaving it this late in the day to stop feeding the electorate a load disinformation and lies.
I wonder if Farrage and Bojo have the guts to come out and say the same?
I suggest a 2 year deferral under the current arrangements since there doesn't seem any prospect of an agreement.
Then in 2 years' time, I suggest a 2 year deferral.
Then when those 2 years are up, a 2 year deferral seems like it would be needed.
After those 2 years are up, deferring for 2 years would probably make sense.
Then with a bit of luck enough dickheads are dead that we can just forget the whole thing and move on.
Then in 2 years' time, I suggest a 2 year deferral.
Then when those 2 years are up, a 2 year deferral seems like it would be needed.
After those 2 years are up, deferring for 2 years would probably make sense.
Then with a bit of luck enough dickheads are dead that we can just forget the whole thing and move on.
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-6403_en.htm
Brexit: European Commission intensifies preparedness work and outlines contingency action plan in the event of a no deal scenario with the UK
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- Visas: The Commission has today proposed to amend the Visa Regulation. This would mean that when EU law no longer applies in the U.K, on 30 March 2019 in case of a no deal or at the end of the transition period in case of an orderly withdrawal, UK nationals would be exempt from any visa requirement for short stays in the EU. This is entirely conditional on the UK also granting reciprocal and non-discriminatory visa-free travel to EU citizens travelling to the UK. This is in line with the Commission's commitment to put citizens first in the negotiations with the UK.
Brexit: European Commission intensifies preparedness work and outlines contingency action plan in the event of a no deal scenario with the UK
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- Visas: The Commission has today proposed to amend the Visa Regulation. This would mean that when EU law no longer applies in the U.K, on 30 March 2019 in case of a no deal or at the end of the transition period in case of an orderly withdrawal, UK nationals would be exempt from any visa requirement for short stays in the EU. This is entirely conditional on the UK also granting reciprocal and non-discriminatory visa-free travel to EU citizens travelling to the UK. This is in line with the Commission's commitment to put citizens first in the negotiations with the UK.
What an utter prick. Though at least he is being honest and I'd not be surprised if that is the view of quite a few leave voters. They simply couldn't give one toss what happens in Ireland - North or South.
If a few paddys get killed as a result of all this and the economy in NI tanks then it's a small price to pay to 'get our country back', etc.
Looks like May has managed to secure some sort of withdrawal agreement with the EU. Let's see the details...
I fully expect it to not pass the muster and be shot down by either the DUP or parliament as a whole. I am interested in what was agreed on the Irish border though, I suspect some form of kicking the can down the road.
I think its a customs area of some sort but obviously waiting for details.
It must be the UK as a whole remaining in a 'temporary' customs union as a backstop if no free trade deal is agreed, the question is what is the exit process from the customs union, who controls it, and what EU rules the UK must obey while a member of the customs union.
Full article here:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1113/1010667-brexit-deal/
Looks like it involves the UK basically staying in the customs union (no surprises), so, yeah, the DUP will reject it, back to square one.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1113/1010667-brexit-deal/
Looks like it involves the UK basically staying in the customs union (no surprises), so, yeah, the DUP will reject it, back to square one.
Time for brexiteers to put up or shut up.
They won't reject it if NI is in the same situation as UK though - they reject it if NI is treated differently. The problem now is not the DUP - it's the Conservative rebels.
'The backstop will come in the form of a temporary UK-wide customs arrangement, with specific provisions for Northern Ireland, which go deeper on the issue of customs and alignment on the rules of the single market than for the rest of the UK.'
Also matters what the actual detail of this is.
Also this will not be a temporary arrangement in practice because there is no way to overcome the border issue in reality - the UK will essentially remain in the customs union permanently. This is exactly what they have needed to do months ago but May was weak.
It'll be us staying in the customs union but worded in a way which makes it sound like we aren't. Even though it'll get rejected by the DUP anyway.
They might go with it depending on the wording but yes it does mean customs union which in my view is great news but won't be supported by hard liners.
Would that pass Corbyn's 'six tests' or however it was phrased?
Probably, since most of those six tests are all so vague and meaningless to the point where they can be construed in any way that suits your own perspective.
"Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?" - I can't see how any deal, other than literally remaining in the Single Market and Customs Union, would pass this test.
Just the Custom's Union?
To be fair that is likely to be exactly what will be proposed, albeit with slightly different names/wording.
No chance they retain the freedom of movement required by the Single Market.
Being in the custom union only doesn't prevent checks and borders from appearing, does it? Can't see how that solves the border issue still.
Pretty much. Labour seem to have at least moved from tacitly supporting a hard Brexit to supporting 'transitionally' staying in the single market and customs union now - I suspect the 'transitional' part involves them hoping people sort of move on and forget about immigration and don't demand an end to EU freedom of movement.
It's annoying that that clause is down to bullshitter-in-chief Davis's false promises.
To pass the six tests the Uk has to stay in the EU.
If they do manage to kick the Brexit can down the road to the next general election, it'll be interesting to see if either Con or Lab change tack. Surely May won't still be leader.
Might depend on how the Brexiteers currently within the party react. If they're unhappy and decide to revolt then she'll finally be gone. But at the same time they might realise they can't implement their own hard Brexit since it's an impossibility - if so she might cling on for a while longer yet. Somehow.
Well yeah I guess, if we're talking same benefits. That's basically Corbyn pushing for hard Brexit.
Have to be in the SM as well - agreeing with the EU is the easy part, the UK agreeing with the UK is the difficult part.
Based on the alleged difference between NI and the rest of the UK, I suspect that the checks will be made away from the border, basically do what the EU initially suggested and use the Irish sea as the border and check in ports.
I'm still hoping for a miracle, like waking up and finding out Bobby Ewing is still alive and he was only in the shower. The nearer we get to this disaster, the more I can't believe we're actually doing it.