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Penna said:
Don't know if people saw Mr Juncker's very recent comments at a public meeting in Germany - I assume this is sabre-rattling, but who knows? The plane issue is ridiculous (all those folk who have already booked their 2019 summer holidays to Spain, Portugal and wherever in Europe) and the quarantine one - well, we don't even have rabies in domestic animals in the UK. We use the pet passport travel scheme all the time on our journeys and it's relatively simple (and safe).

https://news.sky.com/story/juncker-...m-landing-in-eu-if-brexit-talks-fail-11514505
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All these things and thousands of others were pointed out before the referendum and since the referendum, everything was dismissed as scaremongering.
The truth is that unless there are agreements on these and many other points, the so-called scaremongering becomes reality.

The way things are going an agreement looks less and less likely as each day passes.

But when Brexiters say out is out and they want no deal, this is what they want out of, even if they don't realise it.
 
Jippy said:
Take back our borders.

PRIME MINISTER UNVEILS BRITAIN’S POST-BREXIT IMMIGRATION PLANS

“The new skills based system will make sure low skilled immigration is brought down and set the UK on the path to reduce immigration to sustainable levels, as we promised. At the same time we are training up British people for the skilled jobs of the future.”
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May must be loving all this, she's classed as a Remainer by Brexiters but I've always thought she's even more xenophobic than Farage.

This plan will rule out any hope of a deal being struck.

The part about having only higher skilled immigrants while British people are trained for the skilled jobs for the future.
Firstly why weren't British people trained for skilled jobs beforehand and secondly when the British people are skilled enough (hahaha) do they send all the immigrants who were skilled back home again.

Meanwhile all the fruit and veg will rot.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
May must be loving all this, she's classed as a Remainer by Brexiters but I've always thought she's even more xenophobic than Farage.

This plan will rule out any hope of a deal being struck.

The part about having only higher skilled immigrants while British people are trained for the skilled jobs for the future.
Firstly why weren't British people trained for skilled jobs beforehand and secondly when the British people are skilled enough (hahaha) do they send all the immigrants who were skilled back home again.

Meanwhile all the fruit and veg will rot.
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It's just meaningless soundbites, the news channels hardly even bothered covering it. The only actual announcement there is that EU citizens will now be handled the same as non-eu...well no shit.

No announcement for additional border forces just means nothing will change.
 
Adisa said:
I'm so lucky I'm now a citizen. This country is so hostile to immigrants.
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It's one of the most basic flaws of human nature to have an irrational fear of what's different. Everyone blames immigration for their problems in the west. Having said that I was in China years ago and found that some Chinese people disliked African people because Chinese construction companies were hiring cheaper labour from countries like Ghana, instead of paying more to hire Chinese workers.

The reality is that countries like the US and the UK are littered with incompetent and/or hate-filled politicians and people who aren't correctly educated about right and wrong. It's ridiculous how many people think they're better that others because of the colour of their skin or their nationality when they have literally no control over either of them.

Racism and xenophobia aren't traits that people are born with, they learn it from others.
 
Eire Red United said:
Unfortunately they do, the majority of narrow minded people who keep voting those bastards back in to keep out the big bad wolf Sinn Fein.
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In fairness northern SF have historically been more than a bit dodgy themselves. I know SDLP voters who used to vote strategically such was the hatred between those 2 parties.
 
Klopper76 said:
Racism and xenophobia aren't traits that people are born with, they learn it from others.
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I think they are. It's not so long ago, in evolutionary times, that we left the savannah. Those people from the next cave who look a little different and grunt a little different and wear a slightly different animal skin were an actual threat back then, whether through direct violence or competition.
 
sun_tzu said:
Just out of interest is it 100% impossible that in a really close vote the Sinn Fein MP's could actually attend the house of commons if their votes would bring down May?
My gut feel is they wouldn't but could pragmatics ever overcome their objections to sitting in the houses of parliament?
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No chance
 
sun_tzu said:
Just out of interest is it 100% impossible that in a really close vote the Sinn Fein MP's could actually attend the house of commons if their votes would bring down May?
My gut feel is they wouldn't but could pragmatics ever overcome their objections to sitting in the houses of parliament?
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Serious tough one and I don’t really know the answer. As a supporter I wouldn’t like to see them abandon their principles for a one off situation and couldn’t see them doing it tbh.
 
Eire Red United said:
Serious tough one and I don’t really know the answer. As a supporter I wouldn’t like to see them abandon their principles for a one off situation and couldn’t see them doing it tbh.
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Gerry Adams wrote a piece in The Guardian earlier this year addressing this very question - the answer, unsurprisingly, was no.
 
golden_blunder said:
They’re both dodgy as fook. That’s why we’ve had problems dragging on. Both shit stirring bitter as fook
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Yeah but one party is embroiled in six scandals last time I looked with one costing hundreds of millions of pounds. This false equivalency stuff is getting tiresome. Yes SF have a past and are capable of being political cnuts too but DUP are a law onto themselves.
 
Adisa said:
The DUP are a political terrorist group atm.
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Even their faces are terrifying..

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Smores said:
It's just meaningless soundbites, the news channels hardly even bothered covering it. The only actual announcement there is that EU citizens will now be handled the same as non-eu...well no shit.

No announcement for additional border forces just means nothing will change.
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Brexit doesn't appear often on French News these days but this was actually on the news today and the EU's ears have pricked up. No extra border controls announced because they've got to train them first.
 
Javid said 700,000 people living in the UK could not speak English.

“As home secretary, I will apply these principles to those who arrive in our country. So not only will there be a new values test but we will also strengthen the English-language requirements for all new citizens.”

The majority of British people living in France can't speak French.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Javid said 700,000 people living in the UK could not speak English.

“As home secretary, I will apply these principles to those who arrive in our country. So not only will there be a new values test but we will also strengthen the English-language requirements for all new citizens.”

The majority of British people living in France can't speak French.
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Likewise a significant chunk of Brits on the Costa ... Be interesting to see how the EU treat Brits wanting to retire or spend 6 months a year in their holiday homes
 
Ramshock said:
Yeah but one party is embroiled in six scandals last time I looked with one costing hundreds of millions of pounds. This false equivalency stuff is getting tiresome. Yes SF have a past and are capable of being political cnuts too but DUP are a law onto themselves.
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I’m not disagreeing with you about DUP. I’ve never voted fir them and I never would. But I wouldn’t let SF off the hook either, I remember them getting caught out in Derry with dead peoples votes ffs, or the thugs going door to door trying to intimidate people to vote for them. That’s before I even touch on them having a presence at Derry riots etc back in the day.

I wouldn’t trust either party as far as I could throw them. As far as I’m concerned this island would be better off if both sides were thrown in jail and the key melted in Mordor.

Then actual non-crazy people can get on with dialogue
 
sun_tzu said:
Likewise a significant chunk of Brits on the Costa ... Be interesting to see how the EU treat Brits wanting to retire or spend 6 months a year in their holiday homes
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Yeah good luck to the nhs when all those fat lobsters are sent back home again
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Javid said 700,000 people living in the UK could not speak English.

“As home secretary, I will apply these principles to those who arrive in our country. So not only will there be a new values test but we will also strengthen the English-language requirements for all new citizens.”
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F*ck off, little England.
 
sun_tzu said:
I'm hoping so... And the Eurostar
On a serious note has any European country made any announcement on UK citizens who live or work there yet?
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Don't think so but if no deal goes through just assume the status changes to that of non-EU migrants.
 
sun_tzu said:
I'm hoping so... And the Eurostar
On a serious note has any European country made any announcement on UK citizens who live or work there yet?
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It would have to be a collective EU statement I guess.
With those stricter immigration tests, you kinda wonder who'll want to come to this toxic island.
 
golden_blunder said:
I’m not disagreeing with you about DUP. I’ve never voted fir them and I never would. But I wouldn’t let SF off the hook either, I remember them getting caught out in Derry with dead peoples votes ffs, or the thugs going door to door trying to intimidate people to vote for them. That’s before I even touch on them having a presence at Derry riots etc back in the day.

I wouldn’t trust either party as far as I could throw them. As far as I’m concerned this island would be better off if both sides were thrown in jail and the key melted in Mordor.

Then actual non-crazy people can get on with dialogue
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All fair points
 
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