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Take back our borders.



Embargoed until 22.30, 1 October 2018

PRIME MINISTER UNVEILS BRITAIN’S POST-BREXIT IMMIGRATION PLANS

The Prime Minister, Theresa May, today set out details of how Britain will take back control of its borders and reduce immigration to sustainable levels through a new post-Brexit system.

In the biggest shake-up in decades, high-skilled workers who want to live and work in Britain will be given priority while low skilled immigration will be curbed.

There will be a new single immigration system that treats EU countries the same as non EU countries.

And the UK is looking at introducing a swift system of e-gate visa checks for tourists and visitors coming to the country for short stay business trips from all low risk countries.

The Prime Minister said Post-Brexit Britain will be an outward facing nation - but it is important the UK attracts the people the country needs to compete on the global stage whilst ensuring that immigration is reduced to sustainable levels.

She said: “Two years ago, the British public voted to leave the European Union and take back control of our borders. When we leave we will bring in a new immigration system that ends freedom of movement once and for all. For the first time in decades, it will be this country that controls and chooses who we want to come here.

“It will be a skills based system where it is workers’ skills that matter, not where they come from. It will be a system that looks across the globe and attracts the people with the skills we need.

“Crucially it will be fair to ordinary working people. For too long people have felt they have been ignored on immigration and that politicians have not taken their concerns seriously enough.

“The new skills based system will make sure low skilled immigration is brought down and set the UK on the path to reduce immigration to sustainable levels, as we promised. At the same time we are training up British people for the skilled jobs of the future.”

The proposals follow a report from the Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) that recommended high-skilled workers are given priority over visa applications from low-skilled workers. The report was based on an immigration policy that had a level playing field for EU nationals and applicants from other countries.

A White Paper detailing how the new system will work will be published this autumn, ahead of an Immigration Bill next year.

Under the shake up there will be routes for short-stay business trips and tourists and for those who want to live and work for longer in the UK.

Under plans being developed people arriving for a short stay would see passports scanned at e-gates in airports, train stations and ports, for so-called ‘fly-in, fly-out’ visitors. Currently EU citizens get fast-tracked through e-gates while tourists or businessmen from countries like Japan and Australia have to queue for passport control.

All security and criminal records checks would be carried out in advance of visits, cutting down red tape for travellers. These in-country security checks would be a similar system of prior authorisation to that operating in the United States.

For those wanting to live and work in the UK longer term, there will be a new immigration system for applicants with the skills that help meet Britain’s needs.

Applicants will need to meet a minimum salary threshold to ensure they are not competing for jobs that could otherwise be recruited in the UK.

Successful applicants for high skilled work would be able to bring their immediate family but only if sponsored by their future employers.

The new system will not include a cap on student visas, which are a separate system to work visas and are granted on the basis of academic ability, the ability to speak English and the ability of students to support themselves financially.

The ability of people from trading partners to deliver services and student exchange programmes will form part of future trade agreements.

The Government has already announced rights for the existing three million EU citizens already living and working in the UK will be safeguarded – even in the event of no deal.
 
Take back our borders.



Embargoed until 22.30, 1 October 2018

PRIME MINISTER UNVEILS BRITAIN’S POST-BREXIT IMMIGRATION PLANS

The Prime Minister, Theresa May, today set out details of how Britain will take back control of its borders and reduce immigration to sustainable levels through a new post-Brexit system.

In the biggest shake-up in decades, high-skilled workers who want to live and work in Britain will be given priority while low skilled immigration will be curbed.

There will be a new single immigration system that treats EU countries the same as non EU countries.

And the UK is looking at introducing a swift system of e-gate visa checks for tourists and visitors coming to the country for short stay business trips from all low risk countries.

The Prime Minister said Post-Brexit Britain will be an outward facing nation - but it is important the UK attracts the people the country needs to compete on the global stage whilst ensuring that immigration is reduced to sustainable levels.

She said: “Two years ago, the British public voted to leave the European Union and take back control of our borders. When we leave we will bring in a new immigration system that ends freedom of movement once and for all. For the first time in decades, it will be this country that controls and chooses who we want to come here.

“It will be a skills based system where it is workers’ skills that matter, not where they come from. It will be a system that looks across the globe and attracts the people with the skills we need.

“Crucially it will be fair to ordinary working people. For too long people have felt they have been ignored on immigration and that politicians have not taken their concerns seriously enough.

“The new skills based system will make sure low skilled immigration is brought down and set the UK on the path to reduce immigration to sustainable levels, as we promised. At the same time we are training up British people for the skilled jobs of the future.”

The proposals follow a report from the Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) that recommended high-skilled workers are given priority over visa applications from low-skilled workers. The report was based on an immigration policy that had a level playing field for EU nationals and applicants from other countries.

A White Paper detailing how the new system will work will be published this autumn, ahead of an Immigration Bill next year.

Under the shake up there will be routes for short-stay business trips and tourists and for those who want to live and work for longer in the UK.

Under plans being developed people arriving for a short stay would see passports scanned at e-gates in airports, train stations and ports, for so-called ‘fly-in, fly-out’ visitors. Currently EU citizens get fast-tracked through e-gates while tourists or businessmen from countries like Japan and Australia have to queue for passport control.

All security and criminal records checks would be carried out in advance of visits, cutting down red tape for travellers. These in-country security checks would be a similar system of prior authorisation to that operating in the United States.

For those wanting to live and work in the UK longer term, there will be a new immigration system for applicants with the skills that help meet Britain’s needs.

Applicants will need to meet a minimum salary threshold to ensure they are not competing for jobs that could otherwise be recruited in the UK.

Successful applicants for high skilled work would be able to bring their immediate family but only if sponsored by their future employers.

The new system will not include a cap on student visas, which are a separate system to work visas and are granted on the basis of academic ability, the ability to speak English and the ability of students to support themselves financially.

The ability of people from trading partners to deliver services and student exchange programmes will form part of future trade agreements.

The Government has already announced rights for the existing three million EU citizens already living and working in the UK will be safeguarded – even in the event of no deal.

Brexit Kavanaugh?

Edit: ahhh, there we go.
 
Lots of mentions of 'skills' but no mention that the rich will be welcomed with open legs, as per.
 
Arlene Foster saying today that the GFA could be altered to accommodate Brexit.

Feck you, Arlene Foster.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1002/999351-good-friday-agreement/
It could be altered so that Northern Ireland is no longer part of Britain.

Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, the MP for Lagan said that everyone would be better off is "half as much energy" was put in to reaching a trade deal between the UK and the EU as there currently is on resolving the backstop issue.

She's not very bright this one... How many years of violence did it take to get a peace deal moving. All those concessions from both sides... That was easy!
 
Jeremy Hunt at the Tory Party conference:

"At the moment you seem to think the way to keep the club together is to punish a member who leaves."

No, Jeremy, the best way is to give into their every whim and reward them for leaving the club. What a moron.


"And let me say one more thing about these talks.
Never mistake British politeness for British weakness.
Because if you put a country like Britain in a corner, we don’t crumble. We fight."


Throw your toys out of the pram or start WW3?

It's funny but hypothetically speaking if ever there was war you can bet your bottom arse that neither him nor his kids or anyone of his ilk will be fighting in it.

It makes me sick when cowards like him in invoke the memories of the fallen. Those who died because of the power plays and whims of those above them.

So brave these politicians who are willing go fight to the last drop of other oroples blood...
 
Take back our borders.



Embargoed until 22.30, 1 October 2018

PRIME MINISTER UNVEILS BRITAIN’S POST-BREXIT IMMIGRATION PLANS


Applicants will need to meet a minimum salary threshold to ensure they are not competing for jobs that could otherwise be recruited in the UK.


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OK so I just don't get this at all - we have unemployment at around 4% and a working lifetime is approx 50 years (so about 2% of the workforce retire each year)

We are aiming for I think 2% growth as an economy

The vast majority of jobs will be outside of the threshold the government sets... so presuming 2% growth equates to approx 2% more jobs and assuming that 2% of people retire we are left with full employment after 1 year and -2% unemployment after 2 years... (lets hope they get building those robot workers ASAP)

I'm pretty sure the economy needs lower wage immigration as well - unless the long term ambition is that only British people do low skilled jobs and more senior jobs go to immigrants... is that the brexit people voted for?
 
Don't know if people saw Mr Juncker's very recent comments at a public meeting in Germany - I assume this is sabre-rattling, but who knows? The plane issue is ridiculous (all those folk who have already booked their 2019 summer holidays to Spain, Portugal and wherever in Europe) and the quarantine one - well, we don't even have rabies in domestic animals in the UK. We use the pet passport travel scheme all the time on our journeys and it's relatively simple (and safe).
British planes could be stopped from landing in the EU if Brexit talks fail, according to Jean-Claude Juncker.

The European Commission president said at a public meeting in Freiburg: "Sometimes I have the impression that the British think that it's us quitting Great Britain, but it's exactly the other way around.

"There never was a real referendum campaign in Britain in the sense of an information campaign.

"The British, including government ministers, are only now discovering how many questions it raises.

"If talks [on air transport] go wrong, then no more British airplanes can land on the continent.

"People didn't know that, and they should probably have been told."

There could also be a four-day quarantine placed on pet dogs and cats from the UK into continental Europe with the same on their return journey, Mr Juncker added.

"I ask myself what is going to happen to the 250,000 dogs and cats who leave the European continent each year," he said.

"Right now they just pass through the customs, all these dogs and cats coming to mainland Europe each year.

"There are lots of people in Europe who just want people and animals to just cross borders, but I think we are going to have a four-day quarantine.

"If you want to go to Brittany for eight days for holidays, then maybe you need to leave the dog or cat at home, or maybe you will stay home altogether."
https://news.sky.com/story/juncker-...m-landing-in-eu-if-brexit-talks-fail-11514505
 
Don't know if people saw Mr Juncker's very recent comments at a public meeting in Germany - I assume this is sabre-rattling, but who knows? The plane issue is ridiculous (all those folk who have already booked their 2019 summer holidays to Spain, Portugal and wherever in Europe) and the quarantine one - well, we don't even have rabies in domestic animals in the UK. We use the pet passport travel scheme all the time on our journeys and it's relatively simple (and safe).

https://news.sky.com/story/juncker-...m-landing-in-eu-if-brexit-talks-fail-11514505
Could impact my wedding!
 
Don't know if people saw Mr Juncker's very recent comments at a public meeting in Germany - I assume this is sabre-rattling, but who knows? The plane issue is ridiculous (all those folk who have already booked their 2019 summer holidays to Spain, Portugal and wherever in Europe) and the quarantine one - well, we don't even have rabies in domestic animals in the UK. We use the pet passport travel scheme all the time on our journeys and it's relatively simple (and safe).

https://news.sky.com/story/juncker-...m-landing-in-eu-if-brexit-talks-fail-11514505

i think there is some substance to the worries

ref the pet passport - That's an EU scheme though isn't it not a UK specific one - so if we leave the EU we need to agree a new scheme with the EU (and the other listed countries)... and if we dont have that in place by the time we leave (which seems impossible if we eave with a no deal as i suspect there will be issues higher on the agenda) then I think quarantine is probably going to be the only option
http://apha.defra.gov.uk/external-operations-admin/library/documents/exports/ET159.pdf

as for the planes - thats been highlighted since 2017

that's why a sudden no-deal scenario is so alarming to the industry, a point that was recognised back in October 2017 by Chancellor Philip Hammond.

"It is theoretically conceivable in a no-deal scenario that there will be no air traffic moving between the UK and EU on 29 March 2019,"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45019603

and it would also hit flights to USA / Canada which currently operate under the same EU rules

of course things can be negotiated but it takes time and considering we dont have much then yeah its concern I think

Even a best case scenario in a no deal would see UK flights only given permission to fly into / out of EU - so for example they could fly to paris - but not then onto rome

which if your expecting your rome to UK flight back - well basically your ducked and thats best case scenario in a no deal
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-cease-immediately-in-event-of-no-deal-brexit

From September, when many people will start booking Easter and summer holidays in 2019, RyanAir will add a "Brexit clause" to all tickets sold for travel after 29 March .

It will warn customers that their tickets may not be valid if aviation regulation is disrupted in the event of "no deal".

If flights don't take place, the cost would be refunded.

In a statement, RyanAir said it hoped a 21-month transition agreement after Brexit would be implemented as part of a withdrawal agreement, to give airlines more time to prepare for a transition to a new relationship.

But it said: "We believe that the risk of a hard (no-deal) Brexit is being underestimated."

planes cause perhaps the most immediate headache as there really isnt a fallback position

One of the reasons for the continuing uncertainty is the nature of the aviation industry.

In other areas of the UK's trade relationship, if it leaves with no deal, it will fall back on the basic rules of the World Trade Organization.

But in aviation, there is no fall-back position. Either you have a deal or you don't.

So if negotiations with the EU fail, and neither side wants that to happen, there would have to be a scramble for an interim solution to keep planes in the air.

The most obvious one would be some kind of stopgap agreement to roll over current rules for a short time.

But that would mean the UK's current commitments to the EU - such as legal and budget commitments - would have to continue as well. It would be extended membership in all but name.
 
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It's funny but hypothetically speaking if ever there was war you can bet your bottom arse that neither him nor his kids or anyone of his ilk will be fighting in it.

It makes me sick when cowards like him in invoke the memories of the fallen. Those who died because of the power plays and whims of those above them.

So brave these politicians who are willing go fight to the last drop of other oroples blood...

Also this fecking nonsense about ‘a country like Britain’. As if the French, Belgians, Dutch etc weren’t fighters and wouldn’t have done the same as the British did if they’d had the small advantage of being an island nation with a powerful navy in 1939..
 
I really hope they sort out the planes issue because the last thing I want to have to do after all this is go on Holiday in the UK and be surrounded by Brexiteers!

That would be the final nail in the UK travel industry for me!
 
Not sure if its worth a seperate thread - though it certainly plays into the bigger brexit picture but has anybody else been keeping up on the latest italian budget and the EU response

https://www.dw.com/en/italy-and-the-eu-clash-over-budget-plan/a-45721849

If anything I think it will make the EU more resolved to not budge an inch on the UK and Brexit for fear of increasing the risk of quitaly (and possibly destabilising the EU and the Euro)
 
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Not sure if its worth a seperate thread - though it certainly plays into the bigger brexit picture but has anybody else been keeping up on the latest italian budget and the EU response

https://www.dw.com/en/italy-and-the-eu-clash-over-budget-plan/a-45721849

If anything I think it will make the EU more resolved to not budge an inch on the UK and Brexit for fear of increasing the risk of quitaly (and possibly destabilising the EI and the Euro)
An interesting article. I realise the UK isn't in the eurozone, but as an example of EU thinking maybe it helps explain why Corbyn, McDonnell and the seventies lefties are so anti-EU?
 
Also this fecking nonsense about ‘a country like Britain’. As if the French, Belgians, Dutch etc weren’t fighters and wouldn’t have done the same as the British did if they’d had the small advantage of being an island nation with a powerful navy in 1939..

Its just completely embarrassing. Puseudo saber rattling and bluster from a pompous cnut. As if this tyoe of talk is going to have any value other than amusing the other side.
 
Arlene Foster just played the DUP's hand (like nobody knew already) by maintaining the GFA isnt sacrosanct.

Isn't that a massive comment for Ireland, even when if I'm not mistaken she isn't representative?
 
Arlene Foster just played the DUP's hand (like nobody knew already) by maintaining the GFA isnt sacrosanct. Her party is willing to send NI back to the 70's just to be loyal and British as they can be.



Unsurprisingly, the Irish Government has come out with the opposite view, which everyone living in the real world knows is the actual case.
 
To be expected as DUP have been against the agreement from the start. They do not talk for the people of NI
Unfortunately they do, the majority of narrow minded people who keep voting those bastards back in to keep out the big bad wolf Sinn Fein.
 
I'm so lucky I'm now a citizen. This country is so hostile to immigrants.
 
Unfortunately they do, the majority of narrow minded people who keep voting those bastards back in to keep out the big bad wolf Sinn Fein.
Just out of interest is it 100% impossible that in a really close vote the Sinn Fein MP's could actually attend the house of commons if their votes would bring down May?
My gut feel is they wouldn't but could pragmatics ever overcome their objections to sitting in the houses of parliament?
 
Just out of interest is it 100% impossible that in a really close vote the Sinn Fein MP's could actually attend the house of commons if their votes would bring down May?
My gut feel is they wouldn't but could pragmatics ever overcome their objections to sitting in the houses of parliament?

No that would basically undermine their whole reason for existing.