Also, why the feck is May still bleating on about Chequers?
It's dead.
It's dead.
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Not saying it's the EU's fault. Not at all. It's not in their interests for Britain to emerge with a good deal. Why should they make things easy for the UK?
Why? They are a very balanced/centre think tank organisation. They have a record of being critical of the EU even if they are essentialy pro EU.
Even then, the EU has worked with a divided, incompetent, and dishonest UK negotiating team throughout the process. There are EU red lines, of course there are, but they've been obvious since day one and the options the UK have have been laid out. It's the UK's unwillingness to commit to an avenue (for fear of alienating one portion of their coalition of disparate Brexiteers ideologies) that has dragged us here.
The unfortunate fact that Brexiteers can't or won't consider is the reason the EU aren't offering us a 'better deal' is because the best deal is the one we currently have.
He’s got a polish sounding surname. The irony
'Tunnel of goats' etc.
That's the problem right there.
The EU has a very clear idea of what they want from Brexit. They want us to either reverse the process or at least deter any repeat from other EU member-states. And they want to appropriate key parts of our economy, notably financial services.
The UK, in contrast, has no idea what it wants. The preferred model of separation should have been clarified before the vote in 2016. But instead the Brexiteers have pushed us off the cliff without even knowing what their Brexit model would look like. It's also come at a time when the two major parties are as intellectually mediocre as they've probably ever been.
It's a vanity project to garner nationalism when a country has nothing to offer.
No surprise the last time it happened, the country was struggling badly.
No surprise the last time it happened, the country was struggling badly.
- May implied that she did not fully understand the EU objections to Chequers. She said:
This is the PM of the UK who doesn't understand what the problem is?
Has she the brain the size of a pea?
The real problem is she has no clue whatsoever as to what to do next, so she is desperately clinging on to this ridiculous Chequers plan.
Because countries like NL have a large budget surplus after the austerity program and the UK dont. So when they write that the program was nearing its end in the uk i dont believe it so i stopped.
You better read a few books first.
I've read more than you west brit
Jeremy Hunt at the Tory Party conference:
"At the moment you seem to think the way to keep the club together is to punish a member who leaves."
No, Jeremy, the best way is to give into their every whim and reward them for leaving the club. What a moron.
"And let me say one more thing about these talks.
Never mistake British politeness for British weakness.
Because if you put a country like Britain in a corner, we don’t crumble. We fight."
Throw your toys out of the pram or start WW3?
"At the moment you seem to think the way to keep the club together is to punish a member who leaves."
No, Jeremy, the best way is to give into their every whim and reward them for leaving the club. What a moron.
"And let me say one more thing about these talks.
Never mistake British politeness for British weakness.
Because if you put a country like Britain in a corner, we don’t crumble. We fight."
Throw your toys out of the pram or start WW3?
Can you imagine the meltdown if Tusk likened the Brexit UK to a prison and the soviet union? Thank God Ms May had always treated the EU with respect
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-russia-foreign-secretary-putin-a8562256.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-russia-foreign-secretary-putin-a8562256.html
It seems likening the EU to a prison and the soviet union is a clear example of British politeness
I'm sure the EU are mightily impressed and can't now fail to give in to all the UK's demands. What an embarrassment. Another foreign secretary who excels in the art of diplomacy.
Not really, they said there could be no trade discussions until after the UK left, yet there they are reviewing uk's proposed future trade plans before UK leave, the fact that they've dismissed them in neither here nor there. If she came in with something they liked they'd agree before the leave date. red lines, Shread lines.
If the UK had agreed the Irish border problem, citizens rights and the bill within a few months as they should have, the trade talks would be well under way already but May's plan is still trying to cherry pick over 2 years down the line. The EU said they want to look at the basis of a future relationship and try to salvage something from Chequers to proceed with that. They've got very little to work with from the UK.
My point stands.
No, they won't discuss a FTA before the UK leave because the UK are still part of the EU until they do, but they can agree a basis of what a future agreement may look like.
Statement still stands
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I love how Bojo the bozo thinks he can get a "better deal" with the EU than Theresa May post Brexit. I'm no fan of hers but the one thing in her favour is everyone knows she's a Remainer, yet we see how hard lined the EU have been at times with her.
Why on Earth would they be more willing to deal with one of the charlatans that deceived millions to leave their union?
Why on Earth would they be more willing to deal with one of the charlatans that deceived millions to leave their union?
Nuts magazine doesn't count.
Surely if we were £500 mill a week better off over the last 2 years, or year even, we would be much better off? No idea if this exactly covers their assertion but it doesn't sound totally impossible.
I dunno anymore, or care, probably
Tbf read that study and it quickly becomes apparent its very flimsy. I do like how they always find nice round numbers for headlines
A lot of their reasoning relies on us matching German/US growth if we hadn't voted Brexit but we were never in as strong a position as them. It just reads like a Tory remainer making excuses for their handling of the economy.
And there we have a vision of the UK for the 21st Century - An Obnoxious pisshead that has been thrown out of the nightclub, trying to start a fight by banging on the soundproof windows.
Meanwhile inside the club they party on, ignoring the sad spectacle outside.
A lot of nationalistic chest beating at the Tory Party Conference appealing to their core Brexit voters.
They forget that the whole world is listening and especially the EU.
Will Raab try to sneak in the back door unnoticed at his next meeting in Brussels?
They forget that the whole world is listening and especially the EU.
Will Raab try to sneak in the back door unnoticed at his next meeting in Brussels?
Watching the Tory conference coverage on Sky doesn't make my confidence in a deal happening grow. Worrying how senior torries have convinced themselves that "chequers" is a workable plan, infuriating how they claim the EU just has to "explain exactly" it's problems with it when Barnier and Tusk have done just that for months.
Raab's definition of "respect" seems to be to ignore the person you're "respecting".
Raab's definition of "respect" seems to be to ignore the person you're "respecting".
The Tory party has got two massive problems
1)Their memberships and voter base is literally dying off. But that wouldn't be a problem if they were getting in new voters but they aren't.The tories can't appeal both socially(As Mogg has already shown)and economically to anyone under the age of 45 because of the second problem.
2)The most recent big shift in UK politics was Thatcherism and that is now dead.To apply a similar ''critique'' Thatcher used on socialism(you always run out of other peoples money)to her own politics - you always run out of things to privatise.
Thatcherism is and always was a short term political project, once you've destroyed unions, privatised public utilities , in-powered finance and sold off the council houses to create a once in generation voter base what happens then when it all goes to shit ? You can't blame the unionised workers because there isn't any, you can't blame that state on the failings of infrastructure and most importantly you can't build new council homes because to quote a former tory PM ''It creates Labour voters''.
So Brexit with all it's nationalistic/racist/xenophobic/Empire nostalgia suddenly becomes a life line(Well more like a final stab of adrenaline)but all this doesn't fit so nicely together in world after one of the biggest financial crashes, years of austerity and liberalisation of social views(Being a racist gay hater like Thatcher isn't going to work in 2018). So this is why we get - in favour of global trade but think the EU is the new Soviet Union, the famous citizen of no where line, Boris ''feck business'' Johnson etc.
I quite like the idea of community economy, like i fix everyones pc they give me wine and stuff. If only money didnt exist.
Thought you were a crusty old socialist Stan?
Well i am, this is about a favour for a favour at 0 pc interest. Call it the Goode Life.