Apply EU laws in Northern Ireland and effectively separate it from the rest of the UK. It reminds me something.
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Apply EU laws in Northern Ireland and effectively separate it from the rest of the UK. It reminds me something.
If someone comes up with a sensible solution , fine - still waiting
Yes it does
I disagree,if the British Army are sent to man the borders then it will start up again
The DUP have the Tories and therefore the UK by the balls, good luck with that.
They already rejected that proposition, so you are right.
Edit: The IEA literally stole that idea from the EU, https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-irish-border-unacceptable-says-arlene-foster
I don't know if Ultimate Grip is Irish, but I know you are, why the smiley, do you think differently? I am genuinely interested
Even in the very unlikely event of no deal there will be no army installation at the border. Even someone as incompetent as Theresa May will not feck up that badly.
Put it this way the moment a border installation goes up then some other things will be going up...in the air. This will go very wrong very quickly. Basically yet again Britain is tainting Ireland with its shit. We do not deserve the hassle of being their neighbours.
I personally think you’re overreacting. There will be no hard border even in the unlikely event of no deal. A bilateral agreement will ensure that even if the government will somehow manage to see us crash out of the EU. The CTA will be protected as it’s both in the interests of Britain and Ireland.
For a northern ireland solution how about northern ireland just being declared a state, they join the eu seperately and are given a favourable, exclusive trade deal with Britain as a once off. The eu's rules re negotiating as a bloc remain mostly undamaged. Leaving aside the politics its really not in northern irelands interest to leave the EU. Puts a lot of onus on Stormont and theres a thousand other problems with the idea but i think it has some vague possibility of working.
The DUP will burn the country down before they allow that to happen. They were strongly against the Good Friday Agreement despite that promising to bring peace. Now that they have the government by the balls they can dictate anything they want.
The EU has introduced far more for workers rights than UK government and the UK labour movement have done. The UK labour movement largely focused on big wage increases for certain high profile, predominantly male roles and left women largely to go swing. Meanwhile Unions in places like Germany took a more responsible position, gradually looking to gain a place on the board, help support their workers and actually help make the company perform better too.
These German unions showed that having an engaged union partnership with a business was actually a great thing and helped spur on the EU to write a lot of what they did into law for everyone else. Sadly the UK Labour movement is still largely stuck in the past with McDonnell going on about protecting workers picketing at "factory gates".
If you in one of those predominantly male roles the Unions liked to champion like say a "binman" then you would undoubtedly be unhappy with the EU as (due to equal pay legislation) you have lost lots of weird and wonderful bonuses that you won through endless disputes and strike actions. If however you are a worker in a less militant area such as engineering or service industry, or female then the EU has helped you tremendously, far more than Unions have done.
Not sure how happy binmen were because in some councils their pay was significantly reduced with the introduction of equal pay. Instead of bumping the dinner ladies up, they bumped the binmen down.
Cross dressing capital of the UK? Tell that to Geoffrey Boycott.
It won't be the IRA that starts being violent, it will be loyalist paramilitaries. There are very well established links between NI loyalists and UK hard right groups.
In the event of a No deal brexit the level of anti-immigrant feeling is going to be very strong and you can expect groups like EDL to feel emboldened and create disturbances in places like Oldham, Bradford, London etc.
In Northern Ireland in the event of a no deal brexit the border between the republic and NI will become a massive issue. At the height of the troubles, with full army and special forces involvement the UK government could not control the border. It will be a massive free-for all of Human trafficking, drugs, high value produce and the criminal gangs that hide behind political ideology on both sides will be heavily involved. Inevitably a turf war will start and could escalate horribly quickly. The DUP will massively over-react to this and call for either more money, or direct policing support which would be disastrous. Even using UK border force would be controversial in the area, god forbid they ask the army!
Remember that events in NI can quickly spiral out of control. The initial British Army involvement in the 70's was to protect Irish catholic families from being fired out of their homes by loyalist mobs, but the presence of British forces on the streets created more problems.
I think this from Stephen Pound is quite telling
yes that's what I mean - Binmen hated the equal pay stuff for that reason - they used to get bonuses for finishing early...but still get paid until the end of their shift, just a mess of conflicting bonuses!
There will be no border installations. Agree though that they would be swiftly given a makeover.
Also anyone remotely suggesting, as above, that British soldiers will be manning anything is in cloud cuckoo land.
As for the neighbours comment that "hassle" includes the economic benefits of the UK supplying the republic with virtually it's entire gas and oil requirements. The trade benefits are colossal. Some elements of Ireland's agri-food sector export 90% of product to the UK. Meat, dairy, wood manufacturing exports are huge. The Irish economy is inextricably linked to the UKs.
The eu promotes horizontal economic policies, freetrade and a rules-based approach, that promotes standardisation.
You are spot on that this process strips privileges of individuals and preferentially treated sectors of the economy.
This directly undermined aspects of power that unions had, because they had strong influence over the flow of these privileges/benefits.
Depending on the country, many unions embraced this (neoliberal) approach while others seem to see this as betrayal/anti-worker policy.
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This is exactly why people don't like politicians.
For all of those suggesting that the Republic of Ireland needs to help out Brexit by capitulating in some way, or that Brexit is in Irelands best interest as well - can I point you in the direction of this...
Fair play to that lad. Those stark facts should have been the starting point for all discussions but instead have been wilfully ignored by Tories.
Brexit planning / strategy meeting at work today...
My European colleagues have come to the conclusion we are mad...
Having gamed through numerous scenarios that we see as likley I think they are right...
My European colleagues have come to the conclusion we are mad...
Having gamed through numerous scenarios that we see as likley I think they are right...
As Paddy Crerand would say, "There's no question about that".
I think people are giving too much credit to these Brexit politicians.
I know some are conniving and manipulative but basically they're all as thick as sh!t.
Who's the Yorkshire Kim Jong-Un?
Not sure if its Brexit related but... Seems this Labour shadow chancellor has all but guaranteed Labour won't be winning the next election with his talk of dismantling British capitalism. 10% of businesses to be given to workers... I guess it also means definitely no second vote under Labour too.
Why is giving workers equity in the company they help to build a bad thing and a dismantling of capitalism
Many large corporations already do that!
Why is giving workers equity in the company they help to build a bad thing and a dismantling of capitalism
Many large corporations already do that!
From what I have read the workers get 500 pounds and the rest goes to the Government.
What have you read?
What I said the workers to get an annual bonus of five hundred pounds and the rest going to the Government.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ancial-rewards-bonuses-hundreds-a8551331.html
The workers getting something is a good idea but the largest amount would be taken by the Government.
That's in the FT too. 10% goes into a fund, dividends paid to workers, capped at £500, the rest going into the government coffers. 1% added to the fund every year for 10 years.
Geoff Boycott
It's only FTSE 250 companies that would be affected.Why is giving workers equity in the company they help to build a bad thing and a dismantling of capitalism
Many large corporations already do that!
Whys it bad? You're already looking down the barrel of hard Brexit, now a party are going to force businesses into stripping 10% from private investors... How's that good?
Dunno if it's how the piece is written, but a lot questions remain. How are the workers going to run this common fund? Do they get actual equity or just a payout linked to the share price performance?
If they do get shares, who is being forced to give them up or is everyone just diluted? What if the shares tank - no bonus? What is the tax treatment?
What if the company is structured as an LLP? Why the arbitary 250 employee number?
It's the idea of someone who is trying to champion workers' rights, but with no knowledge of how shares and markets work. Plus if it whacks the stock market, then that hits everyone's pension.