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[Cheesy]

I disagree, but your patronising and aggressive tone isn’t welcomed.
I’m humouring you Remainers that are still crying over a referendum result 2 years ago!

I love it how when you ask Remainers re specific details (re what does the EU look like exactly in 20 years from now etc) that’s an absurd question, one cannot possible know every nook and cranny of it, but for Brexiteers we should know every minute detail, every repercussion etc etc.

Some of those people are crying because this is a process that will almost certainly impact their livelihoods, whether it be financially or professionally. The fact their government have no clue as to how they can actually implement this successfully is a huge concern for them.

There's room for discussion as to how the EU should look and how it should be reformed, but now we're outside it we certainly won't have a voice in that, and yet will almost certainly often find ourselves complying with their regulations because we're next door to so many of their countries and thus to an extent rely on them when it comes to trading.

 

[Rado_N]

I disagree, but your patronising and aggressive tone isn’t welcomed.
I’m humouring you Remainers that are still crying over a referendum result 2 years ago!

I love it how when you ask Remainers re specific details (re what does the EU look like exactly in 20 years from now etc) that’s an absurd question, one cannot possible know every nook and cranny of it, but for Brexiteers we should know every minute detail, every repercussion etc etc.

I don't really give a crap if you appreciate my tone, I'm frankly sick of your games. You're not humouring anyone, you're just showing yourself up.

You repeatedly and consistently ignore everything that doesn't suit your ignorant view of things and make nonsense comments that are either entirely irrelevant to what you were asked or completely ignore what has been presented to you.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I disagree, but your patronising and aggressive tone isn’t welcomed.
I’m humouring you Remainers that are still crying over a referendum result 2 years ago!

I love it how when you ask Remainers re specific details (re what does the EU look like exactly in 20 years from now etc) that’s an absurd question, one cannot possible know every nook and cranny of it, but for Brexiteers we should know every minute detail, every repercussion etc etc.

It's just over 6 months till the UK leaves but you have no idea what you have voted for as I said before.

 

[Rado_N]

It's just over 6 months till the UK leaves but you have no idea what you have voted for as I said before.

He doesn't even live here, he's just an ignorant mouthpiece laughing at other people's misfortune from half the world away because it doesn't impact him and fecks the people he looks down on.

 

[Member 5225]

I don't really give a crap if you appreciate my tone, I'm frankly sick of your games. You're not humouring anyone, you're just showing yourself up.

You repeatedly and consistently ignore everything that doesn't suit your ignorant view of things and make nonsense comments that are either entirely irrelevant to what you were asked or completely ignore what has been presented to you.

I’d send exactly the same back to you, word-for-word

 

[Member 5225]

He doesn't even live here, he's just an ignorant mouthpiece laughing at other people's misfortune from half the world away because it doesn't impact him and fecks the people he looks down on.

You know nothing of my life, try to keep discussions on topic and refrain from personal attacks. Only makes one us look bad...

 

[Rado_N]

I’d send exactly the same back to you, word-for-word

Excellent, your posting history speaks for itself, attempted smug emoji's don't change what you are.

 

[Rado_N]

You know nothing of my life, try to keep discussions on topic and refrain from personal attacks. Only makes one us look bad...

I know enough from what you post on here.

 

[Member 5225]

Not going to stoop to that low level. If anyone wants to debate, in a friendly manner I’m all for it. We won’t agree on much (or anything in some cases), but let’s remain civilised. If you want an echo-chamber then feel free to put me on ‘ignore’ or whatever it is.

 

[Klopper76]

Not going to stoop to that low level. If anyone wants to debate, in a friendly manner I’m all for it. We won’t agree on much (or anything in some cases), but let’s remain civilised. If you want an echo-chamber then feel free to put me on ‘ignore’ or whatever it is.

So tell me why you voted to leave. What are the merits and how do they outweigh remaining in the EU?

 

[balaks]

Not going to stoop to that low level. If anyone wants to debate, in a friendly manner I’m all for it. We won’t agree on much (or anything in some cases), but let’s remain civilised. If you want an echo-chamber then feel free to put me on ‘ignore’ or whatever it is.

There is no debate to be had with you though I'm afraid. You don't care about the main issue that is causing the UK problems in the brexit negotiations so you are essentially happy to pretend it doesn't exist therefore making any 'debate' with you utterly pointless as you are dealing in fantasy whilst choosing to bury you head in the sand and ignore a vital issue because you simply do not care enough about it to form an opinion. Why would I or anybody else waste our time on you now you have admitted this?

 

[C3Pique]

I’m in this camp:

Jesus christ they walk among us. How much of that £39b is going to be absorbed by welfare for the millions of people in the automotive and manufacturing industries who lose their jobs? And how much will be lost in tax revenue from companies such as JLR, BMW, PSA Nissan Honda etc who close their operations here in such an event.

 

[Member 5225]

Not going to stoop to that low level. If anyone wants to debate, in a friendly manner I’m all for it. We won’t agree on much (or anything in some cases), but let’s remain civilised. If you want an echo-chamber then feel free to put me on ‘ignore’ or whatever it is.

Oh look, shock the EU are now being more serious:

 

[Cheesy]

Not going to stoop to that low level. If anyone wants to debate, in a friendly manner I’m all for it. We won’t agree on much (or anything in some cases), but let’s remain civilised. If you want an echo-chamber then feel free to put me on ‘ignore’ or whatever it is.

I'm all for civility but I'm not sure as to why you expect people to take you particularly seriously when you've admitted you don't care about the NI border issue, one of the central issues to Brexit. If you want to defend your views it can be on the caveat that we ignore the aspects of those views that reduce their credibility to nil.

 

[balaks]

Oh look, shock the EU are now being more serious:

Did you read this at all? EU saying they are not budging at all and the UK needs to compromise from their position.

 

[diarm]

Not going to stoop to that low level. If anyone wants to debate, in a friendly manner I’m all for it.

Debate in a friendly manner with someone who openly admits he doesn't care about the issue of peace in Northern Ireland.

If this is you refusing to stoop to low levels then God help Canada.

 

[buchansleftleg]

Theresa May reveals tactical masterstroke!

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Oh look, shock the EU are now being more serious:

This is the same as he said two days ago.

 

[Member 5225]

The debate on the topics were (or should’ve) happened prior to the referendum. I’m a private citizen; no point constantly asking me. The debates were held (re NI for example), and the people made a choice. Why are we constantly rehashing these old debates?

 

[Stanley Road]

There's very little evidence to suggest austerity really works in the long-term. Most major economists discredit it as an approach.

Not heads of European states, they think its fantastic despite the fact its fecked a lot of their own. They are complete feckin loons.

 

[balaks]

The debate on the topics were (or should’ve) happened prior to the referendum. I’m a private citizen; no point constantly asking me. The debates were held (re NI for example), and the people made a choice. Why are we constantly rehashing these old debates?

NI made the choice to remain in the EU. I don't remember much chat about the Irish border prior to the election - do you?

 

[Cheesy]

The debate on the topics were (or should’ve) happened prior to the referendum. I’m a private citizen; no point constantly asking me. The debates were held (re NI for example), and the people made a choice. Why are we constantly rehashing these old debates?

The debate has to be raised again if it's discovered that something we've voted for is an impossibility. For example, leaving the single market and not having an Irish border. Plus democracy isn't static and is an ongoing process. People are entitled to change their minds.

 

[Member 5225]

NI made the choice to remain in the EU. I don't remember much chat about the Irish border prior to the election - do you?

NI, like Scotland is a part of the UK that has.....oh you get it

 

[balaks]

NI, like Scotland is a part of the UK that has.....oh you get it

Ahh there you go - Mr Patronising is back - you, the guy wanting everybody to be civil of course. The biggest hypocrite on the thread.

 

[Member 5225]

The debate has to be raised again if it's discovered that something we've voted for is an impossibility. For example, leaving the single market and not having an Irish border. Plus democracy isn't static and is an ongoing process. People are entitled to change their minds.

But that’s like saying snap election every time an elected government tries to change policy!
I have to disagree tbh. Happy for another referendum one day, in the future if there is a pro EU party hoovering up votes, once we are out.

 

[Member 5225]

Ahh there you go - Mr Patronising is back - you, the guy wanting everybody to be civil of course. The biggest hypocrite on the thread.

Apologies I’m making a factual statement. I can’t believe you’re using an argument of carving off various parts of societies to make a weird point IMHO.

 

[Cheesy]

But that’s like saying snap election every time an elected government tries to change policy!
I have to disagree tbh. Happy for another referendum one day, in the future if there is a pro EU party hoovering up votes, once we are out.

No, it's saying that the process we voted for is fundamentally flawed and damaging to the future of the country, and that people are entitled to argue against it.

 

[Member 5225]

No, it's saying that the process we voted for is fundamentally flawed and damaging to the future of the country, and that people are entitled to argue against it.

But that’s subjective to so many people. That’s the problem. For people that are so pro Remain, there are also loads that are equally as passionate re Leave.
It’d be a constitutional crisis IMHO.

 

[Cheesy]

But that’s subjective to so many people. That’s the problem. For people that are so pro Remain, there are also loads that are equally as passionate re Leave.
It’d be a constitutional crisis IMHO.

Of course it is. I don't see why that matters though. Politics is inherently subjective. I'm not sure I necessarily support another vote so soon but I'll certainly argue a hard Brexit isn't viable in any way, thus making Brexit itself pointless.

 

[balaks]

Apologies I’m making a factual statement. I can’t believe you’re using an argument of carving off various parts of societies to make a weird point IMHO.

I'm using it as an argument because the very fact the border was ignored by the rest of the UK and the fact that most people in NI voted to remain - added to the fact that we seem to be moving closer to a hard border no deal brexit - does give me and my fellow ulstermen and women the feeling of being totally cut off from the rest of the UK. You may not care about that but it is a fact.

 

[Member 5225]

Of course it is. I don't see why that matters though. Politics is inherently subjective. I'm not sure I necessarily support another vote so soon but I'll certainly argue a hard Brexit isn't viable in any way, thus making Brexit itself pointless.

For me it’s like trying to vote out a party after an election after they make their first U-turn.

 

[Member 5225]

I'm using it as an argument because the very fact the border was ignored by the rest of the UK and the fact that most people in NI voted to remain - added to the fact that we seem to be moving closer to a hard border no deal brexit - does give me and my fellow ulstermen and women the feeling of being totally cut off from the rest of the UK. You may not care about that but it is a fact.

Well fair enough - but tbh I remember it being a bit-part issue at referendum campaign time. Perhaps a misstep by both sides of the campaign (if it, indeed is the biggest issue).

 

[Cheesy]

For me it’s like trying to vote out a party after an election after they make their first U-turn.

Opposition parties continually argue against the government and when given the power to do so will seek methods through which they can get an election to unseat them. It's hardly some bizarre alien concept. And it tends to be more likely when the government's power/majority is threadbare, which works in this context considering the slim majority with which Brexit won in 2016. If an election was held tomorrow and the Tories won a narrow majority with not that many more seats than Labour, but were found to have lied about a significant aspect of their manifesto, then of course Labour would try to capitalise on that.

 

[balaks]

Well fair enough - but tbh I remember it being a bit-part issue at referendum campaign time. Perhaps a misstep by both sides of the campaign (if it, indeed is the biggest issue).

That is exactly why the UK has made a total balls up of the negotiations.Generally not caring or giving much thought to Northern Ireland. As I said earlier I do enjoy the irony of it all now that NI is the one issue that the UK are stuck on with no way around other than totally capitulating to Europe. You are continuing on in this vein which is even worse because it is now clear how vital this issue is to Brexit - I can understand you not caring before the vote, to not care now is frankly ignorance and/or arrogance.

 

[fishfingers15]

Paz with his condescending answers and as soon as someone begins to call out his bullshit, turns to the 'I'm here for a civil debate here, respect me mmkay?' again..

 

[Adisa]

 

[Traub]

You may not like Paz’s views (I don’t), but it’s proven a couple of things to me:
1. Hardline Brexiters just want to control the borders and couldn’t give a feck about the consequences
2. The Irish border means little to feck all to them

As a result, a second referendum (which isn’t going to happen) may not even result in a reversal of the decision. The sad reality is the majority probably don’t give a shit about NI. At the end of the day, a no deal Brexit is most likely going to happen. We’re going to see a pretty shit uncertain situation in Ireland for a good few years.

 

[balaks]

You may not like Paz’s views (I don’t), but it’s proven a couple of things to me:
1. Hardline Brexiters just want to control the borders and couldn’t give a feck about the consequences
2. The Irish border means little to feck all to them

As a result, a second referendum (which isn’t going to happen) may not even result in a reversal of the decision. The sad reality is the majority probably don’t give a shit about NI. At the end of the day, a no deal Brexit is most likely going to happen. We’re going to see a pretty shit uncertain situation in Ireland for a good few years.

I agree generally but I think the most likely outcome at the moment is a general election and then I hope a decision made for the UK to agree to one of the two options on offer from the EU.

 

[Minimalist]

Well fair enough - but tbh I remember it being a bit-part issue at referendum campaign time. Perhaps a misstep by both sides of the campaign (if it, indeed is the biggest issue).

It was definitely emphasised here during the campaign - no idea what happened across the water. People on this island don't want a hard border - it's a big fcuking deal that people on the mainland seemingly have no appreciation of at all. I've spoken to so many people who run businesses that rely on crossing the border on the daily. It's going to be a fcuking disaster.

I think it revealed just how little people give a shit about the situation in N.Ireland (not that we needed reminding).

 

[Adisa]

You may not like Paz’s views (I don’t), but it’s proven a couple of things to me:
1. Hardline Brexiters just want to control the borders and couldn’t give a feck about the consequences
2. The Irish border means little to feck all to them

As a result, a second referendum (which isn’t going to happen) may not even result in a reversal of the decision. The sad reality is the majority probably don’t give a shit about NI. At the end of the day, a no deal Brexit is most likely going to happen. We’re going to see a pretty shit uncertain situation in Ireland for a good few years.

We'll see how much they don't care when BMW, Honda etc start moving a lot of their production to Slovakia.