Yes, what does that all equate to for the remaining countries?
Anything else to say chief?
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I'm going to be all logical and suggest more jobs for them as companies leave the UK.
Come on over to Ireland, folks.
Odd that they didn't air the interview they had with Labour's Brexit Secretary earlier in the day.
Is Corbyn in charge of their production team as well?
Go on over to eastern europe folks.....oh wait, thats already happening since years ago.
English-speaking country which will still be within the Eurozone.
https://www.siliconrepublic.com/companies/brexit-ireland-relocation
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...t-choice-london-banks-brexit-relocation-plans
https://www.irishexaminer.com/break...ays-begins-dublin-jobs-relocation-852618.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...e-dublin-ireland-relocations-eu-a8335841.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/business...-financial-services-jobs-in-ireland-1.3519952
http://www.thejournal.ie/goldman-sachs-dublin-office-brexit-3771451-Dec2017/
Frankfurt and Paris will benefit massively from financial services flight also. And yes, exactly, they are moving to other Eastern European countries too. Jaguar Landrover to Slovakia, for example. So yeah, that also tallies with my original logical assertion.
So, to be as clear as possible, you asked what it'll mean for the other Eurozone countries, I've said "UK jobs moving to them" and you've agreed.
Is this the one that's after 15 years? I voted remain because I thought the economic damage of leaving would outweigh any other factors, but this doesn't seem a worst-case scenario at all really. It's how we would deal with reduced tax revenue in the first years that worries me.
Anything else to say chief?
Theresa May demands respect from EU over Brexit as pound falls
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...pect-from-eu-in-brexit-negotiations?CMP=fb_gu
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...pect-from-eu-in-brexit-negotiations?CMP=fb_gu
Brexit really is going to screw the island of Ireland.
cheers Brexit voters.
cheers Brexit voters.
I know almost nothing of this but realistically how far away are we from a second referendum or scrapping the whole thing? I know a lot of people that it would piss off. It would just make it glorious to see their meltdown. On the other hand, it would be as equally entertaining if the brexiteers won a second referendum.
Is it? Shedloads of multinationals are going to transfer headquarters there, they'll get the best of all worlds, language, timezone, within the EU but easy access to the UK, which will still be a significant market for them, and low tax. New opportunities all round. I can see the North may be a problem but in the South they'll lap it up.
The only country Brexit will screw is England itself.
...and Scotland and Northern Ireland and, technically, Wales.
We
Stand
Ready
apparently.
Only slightly hunched over, with our trousers and pants round our ankles, and our arseholes twitching with anticipated friction.
What a fecking mess.
Stand
Ready
apparently.
Only slightly hunched over, with our trousers and pants round our ankles, and our arseholes twitching with anticipated friction.
What a fecking mess.
A real shower of shit.
Tories in chaos and Labor frozen in fear on the issue for fear of upsetting people.
At companies I've worked for over the past 10 years, I've seen all production moved to eastern europe, before brexit was a thing. I've been made redundant because of it, before brexit was a thing. Its how things work.
A lot of the major milestones achieved in the EU over the course of its development were heavily influenced and in a lot of cases even driven by the UK and it's top decision makers. Europe IS the UKs project as much as anyone else's.
It's OK though because I belive the UK can grow their own apples mate, so yous will be fine.
The mid 1975 referendum is the when he was looking for I suspect.
The mid 1975 referendum is the when he was looking for I suspect.
Yes, but before ownership and production could stay in the UK and those companies would be able to trade unhindered within the European borders. Now, companies that want to trade in the EU and avoid tariffs will have to ensure that a large part of their business is 1. owned by European entities / citizens, and 2. a certain percentage of production HAS to be completed inside the borders of the EU.
Years ago, Dell moved it's computer assembly business from Ireland to Poland because the jobs were unskilled and the pay requirement was only minimum wage, and it just so happened Poland's unskilled labour was far cheaper than Irelands. That kind of move is fine, but when its high skilled labor jobs that are moving its another story. Take Rolls Royce jet engines as an example. The biggest earner for Rolls Royce on jet engines is the aftermarket servicing of the engines, not the sales of the engine. What happens when a services job like that is moved from its base in the UK? Or, Nissan in the northeast, something like 5000 employees, what happens if that shuts up shop? That's a pretty big domino to lose.
What I see potentially happening in the aftermath of what looks like now will be a no deal is that income taxes will go up so that the government can subsidise businesses to stay in the UK and try to offset any incurred expenses with business subsidies, like reduced corporation tax or jobs creation incentives.
At the end of the day, it will be the British tax payer that will foot the bill, which we've already seen by the commitments made by the British government to continue to pay the equivalent EU grants after membership ends.
IMO, yes there is going to be a couple of years where things are a little uncertain, but Britain will come out the other side. A lot of the uncertainty right now is because no one really knows what the playing field will be after Brexit, now we have a fair idea business and government can now start to get on with the task of building on the foundations of what will be on 29th March.
Just to add, Brexit has polarised everyone, which is completely understandable, but one thing everyone should be able to agree is that you should either be in, or out... one foot in and one foot out is not in the interest of Britain long term, the damage that could cause to Britain is a much bigger risk than completely out. It would be like having someone who doesn't know how to watersky tied to a speedboat, not a pretty sight.
Sure, it happened here too, over the past 30 years. I remember the doom and gloom very well. But access to the single market, a highly educated workforce, incentives and speaking English drew replacement industries here (biomedical, pharma and laterly tech). Replacement indigenous companies also grew out of the ashes of departed companies, taking advantage of the single market too.
Can you really deny that Brexit won't cause even more job flight?
I strongly doubt you'll find many people at all who'll agree you on that, let alone everyone. Some form of Soft Brexit is a far better option than totally out.
I hate to say it, but you might be right Stan
Then dont out at all do you? Isnt that the whole point of it? You cant just chop and choose option as you please.
I found this down a YT rabbit hole. We don't seem to talk about the CAP and butter/grain mountains and wine lakes anymore. Kenneth Williams as a pro-euro voice is funny, and an excellent little Man Utd gem from the conservative MP.
Another good one between two titans compared to the bellends we have currently.
In the short term there southern Ireland will get fecked by a no deal. There are even predictions that our GDP will be hit harder than the UK's. Imagine for a country of 4.8m people you no longer have free trade and movement with your 65m people neighbour who 40% of your products go to. it's a disaster. And there's the fact that so much of what's imported here comes through UK ports because we don't have the infrastructure in place here to do it ourselves. We are a much smaller island than you that is far less equipped than you to handle such a huge loss.
I agree the long term benefits of the UK leaving the EU are probably good for us but short term it's going to be a disaster. Barclays moving 250 jobs here won't make up for our agriculture losing by far it's largest import and export partner. Besides, Dublin is already stretched and that's where all the jobs go. Dublin isn't the problem, Dublin already has oodles of high paying financial and tech jobs, it's rural Ireland that's the issue.
I doubt the long term benefits for you are much better.
If the UK drops it's tax rates, Irelands position as an English speaking tax haven will be under threat.
If the UK signs free trade deals with the old commonwealth countries and the USA, we could see the amount bought through Ireland reduced (especially agriculture).
There are opportunities out there for the EU's only majority English speaking country, and as a gateway between the UK and EU... but whether those outweigh the tangible drawbacks Brexit produces...I'm not sure.
I disagree with your long term points completely.
Regardless of the UK dropping your taxes, we'd still be in the EU and you wouldn't. Companies come here because we are the lowest corp-taxed English speaking nation in the EU.
And long term I'm not really worried about exports to the UK. We have been steadily decreasing the amount of trade to the UK for years and increasing to the EU and other countries with trade agreements with the EU. We could easily continue to do that if we need to. That's a huge market. We just don't have the infrastructure for it right now which is the problem.
Short term Brexit would be a disaster for ireland but long-term it'd probably benefit us, eventually. It'll never benefit the UK.
Soft brexit v hard brexit sounds like some kind of dietary issue
The UK needs to learn that trade negotiations is mostly done between different countries (or country and bloc) and less between their own political party.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but what will affect imports/exports to the UK? The UK wants the lowest possible tariffs. People will still move freely. If you're saying Britain can buy Ireland's products and services that much cheaper elsewhere you're sort of saying Brexit might not be that bad an idea from Britain's point of view.
If the UK is outside of the EU at the start then tariffs and customs checks are an inevitably and therefore that pushes up the cost of goods both to and from the UK for us. Things will instantly get a lot more expensive for us. What you're suggesting re. Tariffs and such is assuming the UK strike a deal before they crash out.
Oh and clearly that's not what I'm saying and I've no idea how you'd divulge that? With the EU the UK already have the best value they'll get for importing and exporting goods. If there's no EU then they'll have to pay more to go elsewhere (and to the EU) so obviously it's not a good thing.
I think also factor in that in such a scenario there may be some increased friction over boarder issues and although I hope not a return to attacks can not be completely discounted (hopefully a sensible solution can be found) but if there was bombings or similar then that may put off quite a few companies in terms of relocation
There don't have to be tariffs whether there's a deal or not, although customs checks I agree. Any other country's goods and services would be subject to the same though, so I don't see why Ireland would be any less competitive than it is now. I thought you're saying other countries can produce and deliver much cheaper than Ireland can, which would be a good thing from Britain's point of view, would it not? Our exports would plummet of course, so you've not converted me to Brexit, but you've at least pointed out a benefit.
Are you on a WUM or something here? You do realize that goods becoming more expensive to import from Ireland (and the EU) to the UK is a bad thing for the UK, right? You also realize that exporting goods from the UK to Ireland (and the EU) becoming more expensive is a bad thing for the UK, right?
Ireland would obviously be less competitive, if the pound plummets (it will) then the money we make from importing to you would suffer. likewise with custom checks it costs more to give you those goods, so, we lose again. We can't, in the short term, move all those goods to other countries instead, ergo we'll take a financial hit from them. And, just to be clear, you lose in this situation too. It's not good for the UK either. if you have to go try getting goods from outside of the EU instead then it'll be more expensive, without question.
No idea what you're saying. I voted remain.
You realise Ireland is in the top 5 GDP per capita in the world? And top 6 or 7 for GNP... Our economic output per person is nearly twice the UKs. If we get hit harder than UK then there is something way beyond Brexit causing problems for our economy.