Well I find it extremely cheap apart from smokes and public transport. I would also take out private health insurance. The weather is something we cant change but my mrs hates warm climates.
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The UK is most definately not extremely cheap - we get ripped off completely with food prices, booze, etc.
Most of the planet were not actually in it to start with and have not had to leave - I think that is quite a big point you are ignoring. It is a very simple proposition to leave something you were not in to begin with right?
that's how I see it too.
That's debatable but if it was true, that's in the past starting next year.
It's amazing how many of them work in orchards, all year round as well.
Food prices are amazing, a giveaway compared to here mate. therefore I always take 1 empty suitcase when I go there, to stock up.
Compared to where? Anytime I go on holiday around Europe I'm always stunned at how cheap the food and booze is.
Remind me never to live in NL.
Its amazing how the slaves are ignored in the figures, I'm sure highly skilled people pay lots of tax and get a fair wage but what about the not so skilled? Should we just forget they exist? Where the uk building industry relies on eastern Europeans to exist, the Dutch builders I've had at my house have nothing but contempt for them, and this at a time when there is enough work for everyone.
NL, and the choice in supermarkets back home is amazing.
Yes. Because nothing has been discussed in depth since the referendum
And using The Express as a source is only slightly better than using The Heil or Sun.
What? It’s a fact she’s only getting 10 minutes, I just happened to link to an Express article about it. There are many many many articles saying the same, google it. You think it’s fake? Jesus Christ stop being so tedious!
I've informed the IND already
You do know who is responsible for enforcing the minimum wage.
Ignoring that, do you think that practice would disappear just because the Eastern Europeans go back home. Someone will replace them or the firms go bust.
It shouldn't take ten minutes to say we "we want our cake and eat it"
Ideally replaced by Brits over time ...but more realistically, sure, loosening up visas for folks that businesses need via points based system. This happens in most countries around the world (outside of the EU), why is it so hard?
Well they should go bust if they if they wont pay a locals salary, you seem quite happy with keeping things ticking over on low wages yet you don't believe anyone drives down wages, quite a contradiction.
Anyhow, the contempt here is not cos of wages being driven down in the building sector here, in fact wages are high for all as the economy is going great. I will quote the last builder we had, "They have been here for years and don't speak a word of Dutch, all they do is rob the Netherlands of its money and go home to share it out".
Now I don't know if this is true as I don't work in this sector but I never hear any of them speaking Dutch. Whats even funnier is that his Polish neighbor agrees with him.
I don't mind anyone going to work anywhere but when you start banging on about racist brits you need to open your ears to what other 'Real' people think in Europe.
The type of work we are talking about here, fruit picking and the like have thousands of vacancies but no requests from Brits because they've never wanted to do it and they'll get more on the dole. Fruit picking is never going to pay high wages.
Normal paid work will be filled by the most apt to do the job regardless of nationality. As figures show immigrants put in more than they take out. Of course there are low paid and high paid, same as the natives of the country.
If an immigrant is unable to support himself the government have a right and always have to send them back but the government don't tell the people this.
Also the UK are still bragging how low unemployment is so who will be doing all the jobs if there were not all these immigrants.
Don't worry about it, Oscie has been basing all his points based on what he reads in the Mail, even giving high praise to the new editor. He hasn't done to badly out of it.
Not fake. Irrelevant.
They could schedule 5mins or an hour. Still irrelevant. The UK have had forever to get themselves together and it is still a shambles. That is what should be the concern
Bingo, you're getting it. There isn't actually a fruit business at all if 21st century salarys are paid. Slavery is not the answer, closure is.
Brits, so long as the salary is minimum or above.
Well tbh I’d be a bit draconian - dry up the benefits and say ‘look there are huge numbers of jobs available so we recommend you go apply for some of those’ - there needs to be a culture change amongst Brits (if you are correct with your stereotyping of Brits not wanting to do jobs).
...and I’m jealous of all the other EU countries getting their amazingly hardworking folks back!
I remember not that long ago you moaning about the price of fruit, so you don't want fruit at all now and on top of that one of the few things that the UK can be self reliant on is certain fruits and vegetables.
As I said which Brits are going to do it even if the wages were minimum wage.
Who gives a feck about fruit anyway? I mean, lets make this country even more unsustainable by importing all of our fruit from other countries that pay less and have worse working conditions. feck it, lets just ban fruit altogether because some idiot thinks it's beneath our citizens (or more importantly, stops those bloody foreigners from coming into our country!!). Despite said moron not actually living in the UK anyway.
Fortunately I eat fruit once a year, if its expensive cos someone is getting a decent salary then I am happy with that, and just cos I don't eat fruit there is still a demand for it as some people will pay whatever the price.
Nah let’s just stuff our country with unlimited foreign folks so it’s even tougher for local lower skilled folks on society to even contemplate getting jobs...not to mention the artificial impact to house prices, social services, etc. But most important of all...society and how it tears the fabric of communities apart.Who gives a feck about fruit anyway? I mean, lets make this country even more unsustainable by importing all of our fruit from other countries that pay less and have worse working conditions. feck it, lets just ban fruit altogether because some idiot thinks it's beneath our citizens (or more importantly, stops those bloody foreigners from coming into our country!!). Despite said moron not actually living in the UK anyway.
Elite capitalists love the system the way it is. Capitalism is built upon this artificial pumping of economies by increasing the numbers of people (to fuel demand for more stuff), even if it is at the cost of societies.
I’d be very happy to go down this liberal utopia of open borders and genuine globalisation as soon as you get China, Middle East, etc on board. We can’t just walk in and do what we want (in terms of trade or society) in those countries, but we should let anyone do it within Western democracies? Shock horror: Brexit, Trump and all these other ‘undesirable’ parties getting so much traction / votes!
What about the people who can't afford it and need fruit and vegetables in their diet?
No one is forcing people into slavery.
My niece has just got a job here in France picking apples until November, I doubt the pay is any higher than in the UK.
Hope you haven't torn the fabric of the community where you live in Canada apart, think of all the poor Canadians whose job you've stolen and the impact on house prices and social services, are you ashamed of yourself?
Said moron does not like people being taken the piss out of. Fine that your happy to live with slavery, from Bristol by chance?Who gives a feck about fruit anyway? I mean, lets make this country even more unsustainable by importing all of our fruit from other countries that pay less and have worse working conditions. feck it, lets just ban fruit altogether because some idiot thinks it's beneath our citizens (or more importantly, stops those bloody foreigners from coming into our country!!). Despite said moron not actually living in the UK anyway.
10 month process, points based. My medical health, financial health, qualifications, etc etc were all scrutinised (despite being married to a Canadian!).Hope you haven't torn the fabric of the community where you live in Canada apart, think of all the poor Canadians whose job you've stolen and the impact on house prices and social services, are you ashamed of yourself?
Thanks for making my point; this is what regular folks are fighting for in the UK!
Nothing stopping us from doing it for the bulk of immigration (non-EU) already. Those 'regular folks' you speak of are probably more worried about having neighbours from Iran or Somalia than Italy or France.
Theyd be worried if that frenchman was Paul
If EU citizens cannot support themselves they cannot stay in the UK, so that is irrelevant. This has been pointed out so many times.
Whether you're qualified or not according to your logic the other points still stand.
They're safe, I'll never live in the UK again.
Referring mainly to the 18 - 35 demographic. Fewer children and illnesses etc.
A few things, the rules have only toughened up more recently after the outrage by so many nations. My point was a broader point re impact on society, now we’re debating a slither of that (EU migrant rules to the UK in 2018).
As has been said so many times (admittedly perhaps my post should’ve been in a non-Brexit thread), immigration was only ONE of the topics of concern, and even then, not even the top one!
Regarding food shopping earlier
Groceries Prices in Netherlands are 13.33% higher than in United Kingdom
Here's the whole list https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livi...?country1=United+Kingdom&country2=Netherlands
Interesting list
Beef Round (1kg) (or Equivalent Back Leg Red Meat) 7.63 £(8.60 €) 14.31 £(16.12 €) +87.45 %
Yes that 87% higher
Groceries Prices in Netherlands are 13.33% higher than in United Kingdom
Here's the whole list https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livi...?country1=United+Kingdom&country2=Netherlands
Interesting list
Beef Round (1kg) (or Equivalent Back Leg Red Meat) 7.63 £(8.60 €) 14.31 £(16.12 €) +87.45 %
Yes that 87% higher
Where do you live (not connected to this debate just curious)
Where do you live (not connected to this debate just curious)
50km south of Limoges in France.
No they haven't. Fake news.
What impact on society, hearing people speaking another language, I used to do that when I lived in the UK, my wife and I spoke to each other in French in public so people couldn't understand what we were saying, must have driven the locals insane.