There's some bilge posted in that thread, and I only looked at the first page.
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There's some bilge posted in that thread, and I only looked at the first page.
What does left leaning mean? Obviously not enuff to vote labour now.
And what does traditional left mean? In the past tories were for the working class and labour not. Most in this thread are nowhere, just looking for status quo or something that suits their own greed.
Politics has moved quite sharply to the right. Labor are currently only very slightly to the left of centre and labor under Blair were as central as the lib dems are now. There are no mainstream left wing partys left in the UK.
So disagreeing with Tory policy, which is often far right, doesn't make you left wing.
I don't think Blair was overtly centrist as some now claim. The unparalleled investment in public services of any government ever was a fairly left-wing thing to do, for example. As was effectively increasing the size of the welfare state by design rather than mismanagement. I think the last Labour government was definitely more left-wing than the current 'everything any Labour government has ever done ever makes them Tories' narrative we have now would have anyone believe.
Sure people can also point to things like tuition fees but you won't get ideological consistency from any politician. Just look at how Jeremy Corbyn takes his talking points from Nigel Farage on Brexit.
Sure people can also point to things like tuition fees but you won't get ideological consistency from any politician. Just look at how Jeremy Corbyn takes his talking points from Nigel Farage on Brexit.
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Uh no, as the EU universities don't give us our degree till we do the full 6 years. Source: studied at an EU medical school.
There's more than disagreeing with Tory policy going on here mate.
When was this?
2000 B.C. Think it was a Thursday afternoon.
A long time ago . Look it up.
I'm far from an expert when it comes to historical politics, I know this wasn't the case at the inception of the party though or for a long time afterwards. I'll look it up but give me a decade or something.
The Tories have never been for the working classes. They have periodically recognised this by unsuccessfully trying to recruit working class/union members to run for election as Tories (I think the succeeded in recruiting a union official once just before WW2). I suppose pre-WW1 religion was a stronger influence of voting intentions than social class but it would be a massive stretch to say that the Tories were ever a pro-working class party and Labor have always been a pro-working class party.
That the Tories get a large proportion of the working class to vote for them is the largest con trick in history. In effect getting people to feck themselves over because they percieve other working class people who, are slightly less well off as themselves, as lazy or whatever, when it is the right wing policies they vote for that are creating and maintaining the lack of social and economic mobility that keeps most people in their place while increasingly enriching the top 5%.
Most views in here are very central. The move to the far right by the Tories makes the middle ground seem left wing in comparison. Plus the Tories lurch to the right has forced many to examine their opinions and realise that they don't like the racist, classist, empathy free zone offered by the Tories, Lib/Nats in Australia and to Trumpites in the US, and pushed them to more overtly speak up.
Blair was very central. Spending in social policy isn't exclusive to labor even if they usually want to increase it and the Tories decrease it. Corbyn has taken them very very slightly further left again but in effect there are no main stream left wing parties in the UK now. Remember he voted remain but Labor are now paralysed as they fear fighting for a new referendum may piss off some labor voters prior to the election.
You have to look at it in the context of the last 40 years. Blair is the only leader from "the left" that the country has elected. In that time they've given election seven electoral victories to four leaders from "the right". When Britain moves decidedly to the right as it has really post the 1970s then what constitutes right and left has to change too. Blair was mainstream left in the 90s because that's where 'left' was. Sometimes these things are viewed from the starting point of 'If this was still the 1970s...' where left and right meant different things.
The country has shifted unquestionably to the right over the years yet when people use terms like right-wing and left-wing they're doing so based on an often 40-year old interpretation on what those words mean. Was Blair left wing if we look at things from the perspective of the 1970s? No. Was he left wing from the prospective of a country that in the 20-year shift to the right that had occurred between then and his election? I'd argue he was. Not hard-left, but mainstream left as that's where the mainstream left was.
Else I'm not sure when the 'mainstream left' has ever really existed as a successful force in British politics. Attlee, Wilson and Blair all led governments that were to the right of the Labour party and I'd argue were all representative of where the mainstream left was at the time.
The UK, Australia and even the US lack a social democratic party. Which is depressing.
He’s blaming the EU for not falling for their ridiculous proposals and seconds later proceeds to say that UK is inflexible and won’t accept EU suggested variants.
I mean the self-awareness of these guys is non-existent or he simply more concerned about staying relevant in the eyes of right wing public, hence the pandering.
In related news it has been announced that large furry mammals of the family Ursidae are now thought to defecate in low density forests.
Fox has an eminently punchable face.
He’s blaming the EU for not falling for their ridiculous proposals and seconds later proceeds to say that UK is inflexible and won’t accept EU suggested variants.
I mean the self-awareness of these guys is non-existent or he simply more concerned about staying relevant in the eyes of right wing public, hence the pandering.
Furthermore this moron is supposedly the international trade secretary whom Brexiters are pinning their hopes on together with the super duper negotiating team that goes to Brussels to line up these fantastic trade deals in the future.
I'm not what you mean but the Labour party is offering this and the Sanders agenda is also.
Some are saying that it’s a nice and entirely fortuitous coincidence that the NHS is likely to be broken up and privatised as a result of brexit.
They really aren't. They are the closest in each country but Sanders is one bloke and all over the place with things e.g. pro-gun and Labor .... feck knows .... they probably were social democrats under Blair but he fecked that right up with Iraq.
Wasn’t it he that said that “brexit would be the easiest trade deal in history”?
Perhaps he was talking about the rest of the worlds perspective. A true visionary
I actually don't think he has the first clue how international trade works, which is probably why he was given the job in the first place.
The same reason Johnson and Hunt were appointed Foreign Secretary for their diplomatic skills.
“The prime minister is incompetent. She gave us jobs”
What is Fox's plan exactly? What does he aim to achieve by insulting the EU by calling them unelected? Why should they come with a workable solution when all the UK did was putting red lines?
Shit post, shit poster. Shit wum.
Or perhaps we are despairing at their country getting ripped out of Europe against it's wishes (Northern Ireland) with the potential for a hard border, increased political and sectarian tension/violence and our already weak economy going down the shitter completely. This and what appears to be general lack of care or respect for the most hard won peace deal in living memory.
Life without the Ignore List would be a horrible, horrible thing.
It would make reading this thread even more frustrating
Makes it significantly better. I got bored of internet trolls in 2010.
Perhaps i will give it a try.
He doesn't want a deal, never did.
His American interests require misalignment from the EU.
People should get it in their minds that there a people who see it in their best interests, to divide the UK from the EU.
He doesn't have one, he's just thick and bigoted. Much like someone else in this thread.