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Even my most ardent labour supporting friends would dispute you here. A high-earning Labour voting colleague was appalled that he was getting some weird £100 allowance cos his wife was pregnant. It was a total waste of government money.
My mother used to be an administrator in the NHS- I've heard the stories of pissing away several grands' worth of office furniture in March to get the same or more next year.

A bit of office furniture caused the world wide banking crisis
 
The austerity package was ideology 100%.
It didn't even work. The deficit is still there.
 
Government waste isn't even an excuse for austerity. There are situations when austerity coupled with structural reform is a sensible option but that wasn't the case in the UK.
100% ideological.
 
The austerity package was ideology 100%.
It didn't even work. The deficit is still there.

Austerity was a total scam. It was a simple case of outputting less to the public in order to reduce taxes for wealthy figures and corporations.

It’s the same stunt republicans have just pulled in America under a different name.
 
It was really a need to grow up economically, you can't borrow forever, and pass it on to the next generation. Who do you think will ever repay national debt? Or do you think it makes sense to just grow it and pass it on again to future generations? Kick the can down the road as our American peers would say.

:lol: as if the Tories give a flying feck about future generations.
 
It was really a need to grow up economically, you can't borrow forever, and pass it on to the next generation. Who do you think will ever repay national debt? Or do you think it makes sense to just grow it and pass it on again to future generations? Kick the can down the road as our American peers would say.
Borrowing increased under austerity.
 
It was really a need to grow up economically, you can't borrow forever, and pass it on to the next generation. Who do you think will ever repay national debt? Or do you think it makes sense to just grow it and pass it on again to future generations? Kick the can down the road as our American peers would say.

Im sorry Chorley but Im guessing you are on the right politically but you have been sold a pup by the Tories. Austerity never works its only ever a cover for tax breaks for the wealthy and for corporations.
 
The austerity package was ideology 100%.
It didn't even work. The deficit is still there.

Unfortunately the Tories did a good job of fostering the myth that government finances work like a household budget, hence the idea that Labour solely destroyed the economy through their spending, and due to debt etc.

A couple of years ago Osborne came up with that really stupid policy of enshrining a surplus into law, which was condemned by all economists as something that didn't make sense. Obviously it's concerning when a deficit gets too large, but there are times when countries can function with them just fine.

I can sort of understand the argument for reducing public expenditure in the wake of a financial crash and cutting back on needless expenditure in some cases, but if you're doing that to help improve the countries finances then you should be raising taxes on those who largely caused the crash as well. Fact the Tories didn't demonstrated it was ideological.
 
UK Brexit team seeks to exploit EU concern over Corbyn state aid plans
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...exploit-eu-concern-on-corbyns-state-aid-plans

Britain’s Brexit negotiators have tapped into growing concerns in Brussels over Jeremy Corbyn’s plans for the British economy, by stressing in recent talks that the Chequers plan would tie any future prime minister to the EU’s evolving rules on state aid in perpetuity, according to EU sources.

The anger of Conservative party Brexiters has focused on the plan to maintain EU regulations in relation to goods, but the UK has privately emphasised its unprecedented offer to bind future British governments’ hands on state spending as part of a deal.

British negotiators have sought to exploit concerns within EU institutions that a Labour government led by Corbyn would re-establish state subsidies, giving parts of the UK’s manufacturing base in particular a competitive advantage.
 
It was really a need to grow up economically, you can't borrow forever, and pass it on to the next generation. Who do you think will ever repay national debt? Or do you think it makes sense to just grow it and pass it on again to future generations? Kick the can down the road as our American peers would say.
In most western nations income taexs were invented about 4 years after the inception of Central Banks. The whole system was setup to make sure that never happened... Who gets rich off the tax payer otherwise?
 


Jesus fecking christ. Does these idiots have any bloody clue at all? You are a doctor when you graduate from medical school here and you do a job as a doctor, including seeing unwell patients on the wards and seeing new admissions.

Their ignorance is truly outstanding.
 
Jesus fecking christ. Does these idiots have any bloody clue at all? You are a doctor when you graduate from medical school here and you do a job as a doctor, including seeing unwell patients on the wards and seeing new admissions.

Their ignorance is truly outstanding.

They are not really clue less, they just look at things that are in EU's legal database and build a narrative around the idea that the EU is a mindless dictatorship. I don't know if this tweet is accurate but even if it was in France it would have zero implication because medical school last 6 years and then you have at least 3 years of internship.
 
No, borrowing for growth is a common act. As long as your debts eventually start to shrink as a proportion of your GDP you need never pay them back

As long as you spend it on growth creating things. Japan borrows over 200% of its GDP and its growth hasn't been up to much in the last decade.
 
A part of me is really curious to see if Corbyn's plan for the UK would work.

Ironic of course that our negotiators would seek to cede powers to the EU.
I think it would be doomed to fail - whilst we might have amazing engineering production we are totally dependent on foreign imports for key components and raw materials, so we are easy to kill off if a competitor can also do it.

Sadly the UK has only gone down the route of High -end Manufacturing and engineering in a few key areas such as Aerospace and Vehicle components / parts. Other Countries such as Denmark went down the specialisation route years ago and have protected their manufacturing industry accordingly.

I wouldn't trust Corbyn to manage a village fate and his Momentum colleagues would have the vicar and half of the parishioners thrown out and replaced with apparatchiks from Hoxton and Camden inside a week. I wouldn't hold my breath on Corbyn being any better than the current bunch of incompetents.
 
I think it would be doomed to fail - whilst we might have amazing engineering production we are totally dependent on foreign imports for key components and raw materials, so we are easy to kill off if a competitor can also do it.

Sadly the UK has only gone down the route of High -end Manufacturing and engineering in a few key areas such as Aerospace and Vehicle components / parts. Other Countries such as Denmark went down the specialisation route years ago and have protected their manufacturing industry accordingly.

I wouldn't trust Corbyn to manage a village fate and his Momentum colleagues would have the vicar and half of the parishioners thrown out and replaced with apparatchiks from Hoxton and Camden inside a week. I wouldn't hold my breath on Corbyn being any better than the current bunch of incompetents.

Don't forget that this manufacturing activity drives a massive part of the service economy.

Manufacturing accounts for about 12% of GDP, in 1968 it accounted for 38%. However, if you take the monetary value of the 12% and compare it to the 38% - even allowing for inflation - the 12% is worth about 3 times the 38%. Why? because we haven't got vast swathes of factories making penny-a-bucket nuts, bolts and washers. That has all gone to low-cost countries.

High end manufacturing is valuable and should be looked after.
 
Austerity was a total scam. It was a simple case of outputting less to the public in order to reduce taxes for wealthy figures and corporations.

It’s the same stunt republicans have just pulled in America under a different name.

And this has been going on since forever. Yet some refuse to recognise and understand this which helps those who are actively benefiting from its perpetuation
 
Oh awesome so we want our Doctors to not be as well trained in future? Fantastic idea.

If you want good doctors, you can pay extra for one. Otherwise you'll get a quack who qualified from google with the rest of the plebs. It's the tory way!
 
They are not really clue less, they just look at things that are in EU's legal database and build a narrative around the idea that the EU is a mindless dictatorship. I don't know if this tweet is accurate but even if it was in France it would have zero implication because medical school last 6 years and then you have at least 3 years of internship.
The tweet is accurate. There were a few rare cases in Germany when someone actually did accomplish to go through med school in 4 years, they still had to wait for one more year and remained enrolled at uni. I think that the regulations were put in place to guarantee a certain standard for meds.
 
They're going to use Brexit as an excuse to cut everything to shreds, aren't they?
 
They're going to use Brexit as an excuse to cut everything to shreds, aren't they?

Not sure you can blame the councils as much as the central government who provide much of their funding. If the hand that's feeding you is planning for massive cuts it's sensible to start making preparations to a 'less food' scenario.
 
It seems very middle of the road to me. Perhaps because the Tories have been getting more and more right wing since Maggie was in.

How does the Tories becoming more right wing change the shape of the road and therefore where the middle of it is? The majority of the posts and posters in this thread are leaning to the left. Both in the regards to the traditional concept of what the left, right and centre are and based on how the the country on average is voting.

I don’t see how that can be disputed really. Colin’s right
 
How does the Tories becoming more right wing change the shape of the road and therefore where the middle of it is? The majority of the posts and posters in this thread are leaning to the left. Both in the regards to the traditional concept of what the left, right and centre are and based on how the the country on average is voting.

I don’t see how that can be disputed really. Colin’s right
I agree and I believe that I am left leaning.
 
How does the Tories becoming more right wing change the shape of the road and therefore where the middle of it is? The majority of the posts and posters in this thread are leaning to the left. Both in the regards to the traditional concept of what the left, right and centre are and based on how the the country on average is voting.

I don’t see how that can be disputed really. Colin’s right

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