Government want to bring recess forward by 4 days. Pathetic, cowardly bunch.
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Tories are a waste of space.
No tories voted for a customs union either, classic Soubry
Seriously? They already get far too long.
They shouldn't be allowed to feck off for 6 weeks with Brexit in the state it's in.
Nobody voted for Thatcher. Allegedly.
Hey, no need for tribal politics. They're all lovely.
Apart from Corbyn obviously, he's a cnut.
Agreed. Deadline rapidly approaching, government doesn't even have a negotiating position yet and they want to feck off on holiday. But what else can they do? Everything has been about kicking it into the long grass. The 'Chequers Summit' was supposed to be that long grass and look how that worked out.
Or Blair.
I find it weird that you have to dig in to the UK section of the BBC website to even see this. Seems they've just gone full global now and don't care about the shitstorm their own country is in unless Trump is involved.
I is still surprised that you guys are surprised. It was gonna be a hard Brexit from the start and it's still obviously the case.
It will take a different government with a stronger mandate and a lengthy, unconstrained negation before an agreement with the EU can be reached and put before the parliament. I don't expect that to happen in the next 5 years. It will be hard brexit for a while, for sure.
It will take a different government with a stronger mandate and a lengthy, unconstrained negation before an agreement with the EU can be reached and put before the parliament. I don't expect that to happen in the next 5 years. It will be hard brexit for a while, for sure.
Looks like the hard version passed 305-302?
Nothing has surprised me . Hard Brexit for a while? They won't rejoin or be able to rejoin anytime in the foreseeable future. They can't say, "we don't like it, can we come back", this is the decision for many years at least.
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You keep saying this but everything we hear from everyone on the EU side is that they'd like UK to completely rethink the idea, yet you seem to be under the impression they want us out and fast. Where do you get this information from because I've never found a single quote from anyone of note from the other side who has ever said anything like this.
Nothing about this was inevitable.
she voted against negotiating a customs union about half an hour ago
Good to know Parliament is just wasting its time or anything...
And Corbyn tried to whip is own members into abstaining in a vote on the Lords that would have defeated the government on plans for the customs union. Incredible that the leader of the opposition helping the govt on a vote on the very same issue bothers you not but you seem to give a load of fecks that a Tory MP voted with her own party.
People seem genuinely upset that people have listened to someone say something and agreed with it. It's a wonder politics is in the state it's in if such an act is clearly a 'red line' for some.
he voted for negotiating a customs union about half an hour ago, it's not like he's saying one thing and doing another like the various tories who have been bigged up here
Eh? Who talked about rejoining? All I am saying, is that there will be a "no deal" departure. WTO rules and all that. Then, 5-6 years down the line (maybe more), a different government will negotiate a Norway type deal.
I find it hard to agree with you. There was no strong incentive from either side (EU or Britain) to reach a soft-Brexit deal. And it wasn't easy for any party, let alone a Tory government, to ignore the referendum results.
This is playing out exactly as I expected it to. They are just stalling and wasting time but everyone knows how this is going.
I don't think this is it. I think they're very comfortable leading with UK stories just not this one as the vast majority of people are bored out of their mind by Brexit and have no interest in reading about the latest developments.
Time for Leavers to magically make this country the rich Singapore-land they've promised.
Hmm, maybe. Still, they're your national broadcaster, paid for by the public. Surely they could cover it regardless? But I can see your point.
Weirdly it's Irish sites I go on to actually see Brexit news as we seem to be shitting it here more than you are.
Oh, yeah.
Am I right in saying that no deal would result in a hard border at Northern Ireland and therefore not upholding the Good Friday agreement and therefore starting negotiations on deals with the rest of the world while just after failing to uphold their end of an internationally binding deal.
Sorry for bringing the border issue up again
Sorry for bringing the border issue up again
Yeah no deal would be a border.
Honestly though I don't know how they would even set one up on this short notice? There are 300 entry points and over 30,000 travel across the border every day for work. It would be a shitstorm.
How are they going to negotiate any type of deal, they've left, gone, that's it, third country, even Ukraine will be in front of them.
Yes it's total insanity.
I've said dozens of times, Norway is not what they need , although it would be better than WTO.
Also in the time lapse in between what would have happened, where would the UK be.
The companies who will probably leave are not going to come back just like that.
I assume this is because you are very aware and can vividly remember what a border will bring. We're largely clueless about what any of it means on our island.
One of the junior defence ministers Guto Bebb (who? also, bad name) resigned over the first ERG amendment
You can't just make people up, Silva.
I disagree entirely. I've said from the start we'd end up with a Norway minus the single market type relationship. I've said it for years, I've said it continuously, and up until today I thought I was right on the money.
The government white paper set out a Norway-without-the-single-market type relationship. It makes free trade with america harder, but not impossible. It allows the UK the survive the worst of Brexit (manufacturing jobs would survive) whilst allowing us to Leave and pursue this free-trade "global Britain" the like of Boris like to yabber on about. It would have been a decent sensible compromise and we seemed to be heading towards it.
Oh well.
But. What's most surprising to me, is that the government has given in to fanatics.
real person
You're not making any sense. Leaving doesn't mean they can't negotiate a trade deal down the line.
I didn't live through the troubles myself but my parents did.
Honestly, nobody really knows. I think it's a common misconception that there was ever actually a "hard border" in Ireland. There wasn't, not like this at least. Since the CTA has existed and then IE and the UK entered the EU we have always had no need for customs checks on our border. The border during the troubles was mainly because of the violence and division at the time. We have never actually had one enforced due to customs laws and movement laws and that's the scary thing, it's a complete unknown.
They may like the UK to change their mind now and say OK we're staying. Barnier himself has said that the EU accept the UK is leaving, we negotiate the leaving process which means Citizens Rights, Irish border and the money owed. When they've left in March, start talking trade deals etc, it's been said over and over again. The new EU budget will be agreed soon, there's a new parliament vote early next year. They are not going to wait to the last minute.
Hardly any mention of Brexit now on the news, they've left in all but name. Life goes on.
How does that not make sense . Yes trade deals like any other country but are they going to join EFTA or the EEA or be accepted therein?
On a personal note this just reinforces the utter lack of giving a shit that this government have to the impact on Northern Ireland. The DUP in supporting this are a fecking disgrace. They have voted to implement a hard border essentially. Absolute pack of turds.
I still think we will. But at a second phase from a different government. First there'll be a hard Brexit, then the people who are so polemic and vocal about it will quieted down a bit once they realise that pinning their hopes on Brexit to "Make Britain Great Again" was basically not the smartest thing in the world. There'll be more pro EU MPs in the parliament and then it will happen. Just not immediately.
I was more suggesting y'all remember the troubles in general than you remember border issues. I don't think I'm being any more doom-mongering than most in thinking a rise in violence would be an inevitable result of something that ruins the GFA.
It feels like we barely care over here, beyond those very politically minded. Honestly, I live like four miles from the hotel in Brighton where the IRA nearly killed Thatcher and we just don't talk about Northern Ireland at all.